Former British PM Cameron to speak at global tourism summit in Bangkok

[tukkytuktuk]

Now we know why he's coming! Look what the PM's got

[elgordo38]

3 hours ago, jayboy said:

reminded the thread is about the value Cameron can bring to the conference, not his policy failures in office.

We apologize for the negative comments but fail to see the value any where in this turkey and its a long way till Thanksgiving. 

[ScotBkk]

A very good  reply. It is unfortunate that a lot of working-class British expats have bought their typical class hatreds with them. I notice it everywhere especially on this forum. Cameron has a lot of class something they don't like because they lack it themselves.

Top of the Class remarks by you both !!


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[Baerboxer]

12 hours ago, ukrules said:

I don't understand why they're getting Cameron to talk about tourism. What's the point ? It doesn't make any sense at all.

 

I know he's pretty popular with the Thais.

 

He made is living talking bllcks about all sorts of things. He'll do the same here.

 

He probably knows sweet fa about tourism, but his researchers will prepare a speech for him. He'll deliver it just like the trained monkey he is and walk away with a shed load of money.

 

Cretin.

[elgordo38]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

He made is living talking bllcks about all sorts of things. He'll do the same here.

 

He probably knows sweet fa about tourism, but his researchers will prepare a speech for him. He'll deliver it just like the trained monkey he is and walk away with a shed load of money.

 

Cretin.

You got this guy figured out to a T you must be a relative?  I think they asked Hillary and Bill but Hillary was still bummed out about loosing the election and Bill wanted to much money and wanted Monica to come along for immoral support. 

[elgordo38]

2 hours ago, tukkytuktuk said:

Now we know why he's coming! Look what the PM's got

The picture is quite blurred is that him in the foreground??

[OJAS]

9 hours ago, mikebell said:

I hope lots of UK pensioners attend and quiz him about frozen state pensions.  I raised the matter with an MP who raised it with Cameron; his answer - 'he's done the sums and won't budge.'

And also ask him why a passport renewal system under which we could post our applications and receive our replacement passports direct was replaced by one requiring us to make 2 arduous trips to an office building with an extremely silly name somewhere in deepest darkest Bangkok from whatever far-flung corner of LOS we live in!

 

9 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

"......he's done the sums and won't budge.'"

Cameron won't, but Theresa may.

Not holding my breath that she will in either case.

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, jayboy said:

 

Actually it makes a great deal of sense.The answer to your question is in fact contained in the report, namely that he will discuss the geo-political environment for tourism.He has only have just left office and thus will be on top of his subject with very recent intelligence briefings as well as his extensive experience of global politics at the top level.This kind of input is extremely useful for tourist industry business leaders in terms of planning and investment.I don't know about being popular with the Thais but he does have charm, good manners, poise and self confidence which tend to go down well here.He is an excellent speaker too.By way of background he is also extremely bright and was awarded first class honours at Oxford; his tutor there thought he was one of the most able students he had come across.Yes, I know he cocked up badly on Europe and that has damaged his reputation and legacy.But the issue here is why he is thought to be a valuable element of the forthcoming conference, and on that there is no doubt.As a secondary matter a big name draw like Cameron is most helpful in ensuring high level conference attendance.

 

Let's be honest.There's a a significant element of the expat community that simply can't abide any fellow countryman who is ultra posh.The hatred of poshness is so strong it tends to trump (can't think of a better word) politics.The odd thing is that many of these people identify very strongly with ruling elites in Thailand...but that's another story.

 

 

 

Bright undoubtedly. Privileged from birth undoubtedly. Very well connected through family, friends and former class mates undoubtedly.

 

Ethical, honest, sincere, moral, a good judge of everything, or significant heavyweight PM, - not in the slightest.

 

Prepared to gamble with the county's future to satisfy his own ego and attempt to control those within his party that he couldn't.

 

As to why he's been invited? Must be touting the speech market. Didn't they invite Blair not so long ago too? All about who you can afford and who will attract the media attention, not necessarily about the subject matter expertise and knowledge of the speaker.

[bangon04]

he is going to explain the benefits of stamping the passports of your own citizens both on entry and exit, and why we should all go back to filling our passports with sticky visas, big rubber stamps and travel permits.

 

In fact he could take some useful lessons home when he leaves Thailand.

[jayboy]

34 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Bright undoubtedly. Privileged from birth undoubtedly. Very well connected through family, friends and former class mates undoubtedly.

 

Ethical, honest, sincere, moral, a good judge of everything, or significant heavyweight PM, - not in the slightest.

 

Prepared to gamble with the county's future to satisfy his own ego and attempt to control those within his party that he couldn't.

 

As to why he's been invited? Must be touting the speech market. Didn't they invite Blair not so long ago too? All about who you can afford and who will attract the media attention, not necessarily about the subject matter expertise and knowledge of the speaker.

Harsh assessment and there are some aspects with which I don't agree.But still ...it's a perfectly legitimate point of view.Above all you actually argue the case which is always a plus point on this forum.I agree his "gamble" was so misguided that it taints the the rest of his achievements.

 

As to the conference, I've already explained why he has been invited.

[ratcatcher]

9 hours ago, jayboy said:

 

Actually it makes a great deal of sense.The answer to your question is in fact contained in the report, namely that he will discuss the geo-political environment for tourism.He has only have just left office and thus will be on top of his subject with very recent intelligence briefings as well as his extensive experience of global politics at the top level.This kind of input is extremely useful for tourist industry business leaders in terms of planning and investment.I don't know about being popular with the Thais but he does have charm, good manners, poise and self confidence which tend to go down well here.He is an excellent speaker too.By way of background he is also extremely bright and was awarded first class honours at Oxford; his tutor there thought he was one of the most able students he had come across.Yes, I know he cocked up badly on Europe and that has damaged his reputation and legacy.But the issue here is why he is thought to be a valuable element of the forthcoming conference, and on that there is no doubt.As a secondary matter a big name draw like Cameron is most helpful in ensuring high level conference attendance.

 

Let's be honest.There's a a significant element of the expat community that simply can't abide any fellow countryman who is ultra posh.The hatred of poshness is so strong it tends to trump (can't think of a better word) politics.The odd thing is that many of these people identify very strongly with ruling elites in Thailand...but that's another story.

 

 

Great post, I wonder how Jacob Rees-Mogg would do over here, as he is definitely a higher degree of posh than D,C,?

[ballpoint]

5 hours ago, jayboy said:

Yes but my experience is that the real working class do not have the chip on shoulder attitude that is so prevalent in the lower middle class.Genuine working class people tend to take individuals as they come, and usually can get on with anyone.In fact I would go so far to say that the upper class and working class - both secure in their identities - have more in common than the insecure lower middle class.

 

[zd1]

1 hour ago, jayboy said:

Harsh assessment and there are some aspects with which I don't agree.But still ...it's a perfectly legitimate point of view.Above all you actually argue the case which is always a plus point on this forum.I agree his "gamble" was so misguided that it taints the the rest of his achievements.

 

As to the conference, I've already explained why he has been invited.

Achievements in his time as PM I can't actually think of any of any significance, perhaps you will give me some examples.

At present the country is in a pretty bad way in fact a lot worse than when he took over as PM, but I will concede that it wasn't much better before him either.

 

[Prbkk]

1 hour ago, bangon04 said:

he is going to explain the benefits of stamping the passports of your own citizens both on entry and exit, and why we should all go back to filling our passports with sticky visas, big rubber stamps and travel permits.

 

In fact he could take some useful lessons home when he leaves Thailand.

Well, maybe he can provide some concrete lessons: eg, the Heathrow experience and how to alienate visitors . My experience a couple of weeks ago: flight from Munich, 75 minutes in the immigration queue, all EU citizens (ratbags or not, who's to say) breezed through...just Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders and others to undergo the interminable wait and the 15 seconds of scrutiny at the desk.

The German couple I was travelling with were onto their main course by the time I finally arrived for dinner.

Just pathetic. 10 times worse than BKK and significantly slower than the US. Woeful.

[bangon04]

1 minute ago, Prbkk said:

Well, maybe he can provide some concrete lessons: eg, the Heathrow experience and how to alienate visitors . My experience a couple of weeks ago: flight from Munich, 75 minutes in the immigration queue, all EU citizens (ratbags or not, who's to say) breezed through...just Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders and others to undergo the interminable wait and the 15 seconds of scrutiny at the desk.

The German couple I was travelling with were onto their main course by the time I finally arrived for dinner.

Just pathetic. 10 times worse than BKK and significantly slower than the US. Woeful.

well after Brexit our friends the Germans could find themselves in the wrong line.....

[zd1]

21 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

Great post, I wonder how Jacob Rees-Mogg would do over here, as he is definitely a higher degree of posh than D,C,?

555

But did you know Jeremy Hunt the surname should begin with a C is related to the Queen and that must be a higher degree of posh than Jacob Rees-Mogg.

[Prbkk]

1 minute ago, bangon04 said:

well after Brexit our friends the Germans could find themselves in the wrong line.....

Yes, that's what I told them: watch this space, Fritz. Problem is the line will be twice as long as they implement economies.

[bangon04]

8 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

Well, maybe he can provide some concrete lessons: eg, the Heathrow experience and how to alienate visitors . My experience a couple of weeks ago: flight from Munich, 75 minutes in the immigration queue, all EU citizens (ratbags or not, who's to say) breezed through...just Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders and others to undergo the interminable wait and the 15 seconds of scrutiny at the desk.

The German couple I was travelling with were onto their main course by the time I finally arrived for dinner.

Just pathetic. 10 times worse than BKK and significantly slower than the US. Woeful.

Just imagine if Heathrow immigration actually could be bothered to look at passports for departing passengers!!!!

[jayboy]

47 minutes ago, zd1 said:

Achievements in his time as PM I can't actually think of any of any significance, perhaps you will give me some examples.

At present the country is in a pretty bad way in fact a lot worse than when he took over as PM, but I will concede that it wasn't much better before him either.

 

You are ludicrously mistaken if you seriously believe Gordon Brown's Britain represented any kind of high point.

 

I have already pointed out Cameron's remarkable achievement placing equality in marriage on the statute book.

 

Here is an even handed analysis:

 

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/defending-daves-legacy/

[bannork]

He will surely go down in history as the PM who led the UK down an unknown and perilous path towards possible financial ruin by an ill crafted referendum that required a simple majority of 51% to totally alter the economic future of the country.

No safeguards such as a second referendum required 2 years later to assess it was still the will of the majority.

No benchmark such as 70% in favour to ensure it was truly the will of the majority.

Utter foolishness and he has the gall to appear as a paid public speaker.

He should be hanging his head in shame trying to avoid the public. Perhaps he's really coming to Bangkok to fill an unexpected vacancy in the boiler room shenanigans.

 

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

4 hours ago, bannork said:

He will surely go down in history as the PM who led the UK down an unknown and perilous path towards possible financial ruin by an ill crafted referendum that required a simple majority of 51% to totally alter the economic future of the country.

No safeguards such as a second referendum required 2 years later to assess it was still the will of the majority.

No benchmark such as 70% in favour to ensure it was truly the will of the majority.

Utter foolishness and he has the gall to appear as a paid public speaker.

He should be hanging his head in shame trying to avoid the public. Perhaps he's really coming to Bangkok to fill an unexpected vacancy in the boiler room shenanigans.

 

Utter nonsense! Cameron (I do not like him by the way) put an EU-UK referendum up as an offer only if he won a majority at the 2015 election. If he hadn't he would never have won, and the Tories were about to fall apart unless this issue was finally addressed.

Ten years of Ukip on the rise and a humiliation in the MEP election made it unavoidable.

I didn't believe he would keep his promise after being let down so many times before by both sides, but he did!

The UK got a referendum on the EU at last.

The outcome was a landslide for democracy (check the facts) in the UK and it decided OUT.

Get used to it!!! Or if you don't believe in democracy then go live in a military run state or a Communist dictatorship like China, where there are no strikes and the trains run on time, but with no hope of elections.

I'm sick of this continued whinging.

If Scotland wants another Indy-Ref then have one, and when the majority vote to stay we will all be rid of the two fish, Sturgeon & Salmon.

If you vote leave, bonne chance, and auf wiedersehen Jimmy!.

 

[MarkyM3]

Looks like the Bremainers are out in force on this thread.

 

Inconveniently for them, the issue that cannot be denied is that the British people didn't vote to join a political and monetary union back in the '70s. It was to join a common market for goods and services. The integration aspects have been pushed through over the years - witness Gordon Brown and his shameful about turn on a referendum about the Lisbon Treaty. Cameron included a manifesto pledge to hold an in/out referendum on EU membership to address the question once and for all. He secured a parliamentary majority on this manifesto and could not back out on this....surprisingly for a politician.

 

The fact is that the EU leaders basically offered nothing to Cameron during pre-referendum negotiations. The key issue, like it or not, has been uncontrolled immigration. It has placed a significant strain on infrastructure - schools where there are several different 1st languages spoken, housing (take a look at the crappy HMOs dotted around the UK these days), transport etc. It also drove down semi and unskilled wages. Areas affected by it tend to have voted for Brexit if you do the analysis but even in more prosperous areas the margins were not large. The EU offered an "emergency brake" in this area but it was going to be controlled by them and not the UK so was of little practical value.

 

The Supreme Court has now made the ruling that Parliament gets the vote on the Article 50 and legislation so that's democracy. Suck it up.

 

Regarding referendum terms, specifying it at a 70% leave would have been a thinly-veiled fix. As for having another referendum 2 years later, we are expected to complete Article 50 negotiations by that time. It will be up to Parliament to scrutinise the proposed legislation and for us and the EU to hammer out a deal or walk away from it. We cannot turn the clock back once Article 50 is invoked. Perhaps the thinking is if we have enough referendums that we will eventually make "the right choice", like they did in Ireland with the Lisbon Treaty.

 

We hear Britain is going to find it tough to negotiate a settlement. The EU leadership don't want to encourage other dissent. But the fact is we import quite a bit more from the EU than we export so how far do they want to take it? Do BMW and Mercedes, for example, want to see their cars costing £thousands more and a potential drop in sales? I think the reality is that there will be a pragmatic outcome. The UK will also have the freedom to negotiate bi-lateral agreements and develop new markets. People may say this will take longer, we'll be back of the queue etc. But the recent deal between the EU and Canada took no less than 7 years to sort out!!

 

Not sure if I'm the only person who finds it deeply ironic that the recent meeting of the economic elite was in no other place than Davos, Switzerland - which of course is happily outside the EU.  

 

As for Cameron - he is doing what most former political leaders do and getting paid fat fees for having recently been among the movers and shakers. He probably has little of real value to say and will deliver a speech prepared by a lackey but his bank balance will thank him for it.

[George FmplesdaCosteedback]

Can they invite Gordon Brown next please.

When he comes I will bring the rotten tomatoes, anyone got any bad eggs?

[zd1]

14 hours ago, jayboy said:

You are ludicrously mistaken if you seriously believe Gordon Brown's Britain represented any kind of high point.

 

I have already pointed out Cameron's remarkable achievement placing equality in marriage on the statute book.

 

Here is an even handed analysis:

 

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/defending-daves-legacy/

I didn't say that I believed Gordon Browns Britain was any high point read my comment again

 

15 hours ago, zd1 said:

At present the country is in a pretty bad way in fact a lot worse than when he took over as PM, but I will concede that it wasn't much better before him either.

Camerons remarkable achievement placing equality in marriage on the statute book, if that is the only achievement you can come up with then it is pretty lame when you consider that that would have been pushed through no matter who was in charge.

 

Even handed analysis in the Spectator a right wing conservative magazine you are joking right, it is about as even handed as Usain Bolt taking on the fat bloke in the pub at the 100m.

 

At present there are working families who have to rely on food banks largely thanks to the deregulation of the labour market mentioned in the article you quoted which in turn allows the zero hours contracts and lets unscrupulous employers get away with abusing their employees who can no longer take these said employers to a tribunal.

 

The country has gone to the dogs and is being asset stripped at an alarming rate, there won't be anything left soon as it will all be owned by the Chinese, Arabs and to a lesser extent Russians and Americans a lot of which has been signed of by your mate Dave.

 

 

[jayboy]

Camerons remarkable achievement placing equality in marriage on the statute book, if that is the only achievement you can come up with then it is pretty lame when you consider that that would have been pushed through no matter who was in charge.
 
Even handed analysis in the Spectator a right wing conservative magazine you are joking right, it is about as even handed as Usain Bolt taking on the fat bloke in the pub at the 100m.
 
At present there are working families who have to rely on food banks largely thanks to the deregulation of the labour market mentioned in the article you quoted which in turn allows the zero hours contracts and lets unscrupulous employers get away with abusing their employees who can no longer take these said employers to a tribunal.
 
The country has gone to the dogs and is being asset stripped at an alarming rate, there won't be anything left soon as it will all be owned by the Chinese, Arabs and to a lesser extent Russians and Americans a lot of which has been signed of by your mate Dave.
 
 

I make no great claims for Cameron's government and completely agree his record is tarnished by an ill judged policy on Europe.But it is absurd to suggest that he left the country in worse shape than he found it under the catastrophic Gordon Brown regime.

The Spectator is regarded by all shades of opinion as one of the most interesting journals.To write it off as right wing conservative (itself a display of your ignorance) simply underlines an unwillingness to consider different opinions.

You conclude with a country going to the dogs rant and a meaningless lefty diatribe about asset stripping.None of which is relevant to the discussion.

And you are completely wrong about the marriage equality act.It would not have gone through without Cameron's strong support and willingness to face down opposition from his own side.

[CGW]

Maybe just a holiday to see his old school chum, quite harmless 555

 

[JAG]

Great post, I wonder how Jacob Rees-Mogg would do over here, as he is definitely a higher degree of posh than D,C,?

Jacob Rees-Mogg, (also known as The Honourable Member for the Late Nineteenth Century), is a local MP in my part of Somerset. JRM is totally posh. He doesn't pretend to be posh, he is. He doesn't try not to be posh, he is. That is why the working class people of his constituency (for a long time a Labour seat, and including a former coal mining area) like him, and voted for him. He is about as straightforward as you get. He is also extremely funny.

[sambum]

Must be down to his last 5 million quid!