Somkid appeals for fairness for officials

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Somkid appeals for fairness for officials

 

 

BANGKOK: -- Deputy Prime Minister Somkid Jatusripitak asked the public not to blame the entire officialdom for the alleged offence committed by the deputy director-general of Intellectual Property Department accused of stealing three paintings from a hotel in Kyoto.

 

Although the incident was personal, he said on Thursday that the senior official in question should not be pre-judged and deserved to be treated with fairness. But he made clear that the Commerce Ministry would not help an offender.

 

Commerce permanent secretary Ms Viboonlak Ruamrak, meanwhile, said officials of the Thai trade promotion office in Osaka were coordinating with Japanese police to visit the DIP deputy director-general.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/somkid-appeals-fairness-officials/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2017-01-27

 

[yellowboat]

One senior government kleptomaniac does not make the whole junta government that way, or does it ?    

[robblok]

16 minutes ago, yellowboat said:

One senior government kleptomaniac does not make the whole junta government that way, or does it ?    

No it does not.. depending how they handle this they can look good or bad.. the fact that they bend over backwards to help him makes them look bad. But you can't be responsible for everyone you hire.

 

The good news is thought that he might be in jail 50 days before the trail (we can only pray)

 

*edit* did you notice the title does not seem to match the story or the news article. 

[Briggsy]

13 minutes ago, robblok said:

 

*edit* did you notice the title does not seem to match the story or the news article. 

I did.

 

Somkid may have been referring to the fact he has not been convicted and therefore

3 hours ago, webfact said:

But he made clear that the Commerce Ministry would not help an offender.

despite

3 hours ago, webfact said:

officials of the Thai trade promotion office in Osaka were coordinating with Japanese police to visit the DIP deputy director-general.

The "appealing for fairness" may have been referring to the Thai media as opposed to the Japanese justice system. But he seems to veer from one position to another contradicting position.

 

And Somkid is not Chaturon.

[chainarong]

Everything is so entrenched in corruption of some kind that even Thailand's favorite partner China has trouble with corruption, even with the death penalty.............................................

[klauskunkel]

cleptocracy rules

[thai3]

who is to blame for the widespread corruption here then? Some might say the the entire officialdom exists only because of a corrupt and illegal take over. 

[trogers]

Corruption is like prostitution, people selling themselves for money...

 

Which political system in the existing world lacks both or either? Problem is whether this state of affair is top down or not...

[mtls2005]

Somkid appeals for fairness for officials

 

Would this apply to ALL officials? My guess would be "No".

 

Sticking to sakdina, and not holding everyone to the same standards, can never lead to progress. But then I guess that's the goal.

[robblok]

18 minutes ago, thai3 said:

who is to blame for the widespread corruption here then? Some might say the the entire officialdom exists only because of a corrupt and illegal take over. 

I wonder what fool would say that certainly not someone with a brain. Because we are talking here about civil servants. They don't get elected and  they usually stay even during changes in government. In the US they sometimes replace the higher ranking ones when a new president gets in power but many of the lower ones stay the same. One would not dismiss all civil servants and re hire them with every government change.

[Johpa]

who is to blame for the widespread corruption here then? Some might say the the entire officialdom exists only because of a corrupt and illegal take over. 

Well we have an invasive minority that set up Thailand as entrepreneurial colony focused upon extraction of natural resources and capital. They then intermarried with the pre existing elite that kept the majority of people under a feudal type of slavery. And you wonder why their spawn are so uninhibited by theft and corruption and the veneration of venality?


Happy Trails

[Khun Paul]

I agree one bad apple does not a whole barrel spoil , however there is just too many BAD officials from Government Officials to the Police to say it is not the norm , so until clarity,transparancy and honesty prevails then yes all officials are going to be thought of as bad to some degree or another.

[thai3]

2 hours ago, yellowboat said:

One senior government kleptomaniac does not make the whole junta government that way, or does it ?    

No but would be nice to know what they have in the bank, and how it got there

[Oziex1]

Do they really think they should be treated with any respect, the whole system is corrupt and clearly they don't know when or where to stop.

[worgeordie]

"Although the incident was personal, ", then why are the Government arranging

translators,lawyers and help from the Thai trade offices in Japan,for the thief.

regards worgeordie

[Srikcir]

3 hours ago, yellowboat said:

One senior government kleptomaniac does not make the whole junta government that way, or does it ?    

You mean the junta that stole the whole of government - yes.

Called leadership setting an example.

[yellowboat]

14 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

You mean the junta that stole the whole of government - yes.

Called leadership setting an example.

Bingo !  A Kleptocracy .  

[SOUTHERNSTAR]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

No it does not.. depending how they handle this they can look good or bad.. the fact that they bend over backwards to help him makes them look bad. But you can't be responsible for everyone you hire.

 

The good news is thought that he might be in jail 50 days before the trail (we can only pray)

 

*edit* did you notice the title does not seem to match the story or the news article. 

Here in is the difference between responsibility and accountability. The government aren't responsible for every official but they should be accountable. If an official steal paintings in Japan or they steal rice the government of the day is not responsible for that theft, but their actions after they find out about the theft makes them either accountable or not. Many people (junta and kie) hold YS responsible for the corruption surrounding the rice scheme instead of accountable. But because the junta have kept YS responsible for the rice scheme theft/corruption committed by officials and businessmen they have opened the door for people to hold them responsible for any wrong doing of any official while they are in control of the country. Do onto other like you want others to do to you, is the old saying.

[Brer Fox]

4 hours ago, yellowboat said:

One senior government kleptomaniac does not make the whole junta government that way, or does it ?    

The government would want everyone to believe he is the only rotten apple in the barrel. If that is the case why are the head honchos trying so desperately to spread sweet smelling roses on the issue and the whole of the government itself.

The facts are simple. He stole because that is what he learned to do from within the hierarchy. High ranking officials need to steal to obtain cash to buy further promotion. 

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, SOUTHERNSTAR said:

Here in is the difference between responsibility and accountability. The government aren't responsible for every official but they should be accountable. If an official steal paintings in Japan or they steal rice the government of the day is not responsible for that theft, but their actions after they find out about the theft makes them either accountable or not. Many people (junta and kie) hold YS responsible for the corruption surrounding the rice scheme instead of accountable. But because the junta have kept YS responsible for the rice scheme theft/corruption committed by officials and businessmen they have opened the door for people to hold them responsible for any wrong doing of any official while they are in control of the country. Do onto other like you want others to do to you, is the old saying.

I am sure the junta can pay the 6000 bt damages here.. but I doubt YL can pay for the 500billion or so bt. Anyway lets YL and her crimes out of this. Lets see what happens and hope its positive. 

[elgordo38]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Although the incident was personal, he said on Thursday that the senior official in question should not be pre-judged and deserved to be treated with fairness. But he made clear that the Commerce Ministry would not help an offender.

Interpretation. Back off he will be keeping his job. 

[Retiredandhappyhere]

Somkid appeals for fairness for officials .

 

Let us hope he means the same kind of fairness applicable to ordinary Thais !

[mtls2005]

The Thai social contract pretty much relies on a well-defined hierarchy, in the shape of a pyramid. Everyone more or less knows their place, and they must respect those above them regardless of their 'indiscretions', and certainly never question their better's actions. 

 

With the internet more information gets shared which otherwise might not. 

 

I think Somkid is just trying to subtly remind the plebs that it is above their station to question the motivations of a senior-ish government official, and that they shouldn't concern themselves with such complicated matters.

 

After all, if the common folk start questioning things who knows where it might lead?

[CantSpell]

9 hours ago, yellowboat said:

One senior government kleptomaniac does not make the whole junta government that way, or does it ?    

The biggest problem is: he was the honest one.... 

[Reigntax]

5 hours ago, robblok said:

I am sure the junta can pay the 6000 bt damages here.. but I doubt YL can pay for the 500billion or so bt. Anyway lets YL and her crimes out of this. Lets see what happens and hope its positive. 

 

What crimes are they? You mean the charge of  dereliction of duty?  Hardly comparable to high treason and turning the country back 50 years and giving yourself and cohorts immunity from prosecution for past, present and future crimes.

 

I doubt the military could afford the cost of the popularist policies they have barged through with little thought or due process.

 

But they must be doing something right as there are still some fools who support them despite 70 odd years of doing the same and failing each time. Except, of course to entrench their noses firmly in the corruption troughs

[robblok]

Just now, Reigntax said:

 

What crimes are they? You mean the charge of  dereliction of duty?  Hardly comparable to high treason and turning the country back 50 years and giving yourself and cohorts immunity from prosecution for past, present and future crimes.

 

I doubt the military could afford the cost of the popularist policies they have barged through with little thought or due process.

 

But they must be doing something right as there are still some fools who support them despite 70 odd years of doing the same and failing each time. Except, of course to entrench their noses firmly in the corruption troughs

You mean unlike the fools that support Thaksin the guy who handed the country over to the military because he wanted his crimes forgiven.

[Layla111]

He will be held by Japanese police the full 90 days they are allowed-it's their policy, and they never lift a finger until they are 100%

sure you're banged to rights and the prosecutor and judge have already agreed the outcome.At least a criminal conviction should

ensure his dismissal and exclude him from any official post even a traffic warden in the future.

[johng]

You mean unlike the fools that support Thaksin the guy who handed the country over to the military because he wanted his crimes forgiven.

he didn't hand it over they took it by force.

[Reigntax]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

You mean unlike the fools that support Thaksin the guy who handed the country over to the military because he wanted his crimes forgiven.

 

No I mean the fools who keep supporting the military doing same thing over and over expecting a different result.

 

The military were doing the same for the 50 years prior to Thaksin. Its always someone else to blame, its always done for the excuse of some benefit  for the country. But nothing ever happens except the military entrenching themselves in power. 

 

Seriously, if you contracted a builder to construct a house and each time it collapsed, would you still be using the same builder after 18 collapses.? Would you be saying how great they are.? Would you recommend them?

 

Some may even let them have a 19th attempt hoping this time they will get it right.

 

And thats exactly how the military have survived. Ignorance, stupidity and the ability to brainwash those who live in hope rather than reality.