Court case on whether Brexit can be reversed to be filed Friday

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Court case on whether Brexit can be reversed to be filed Friday

REUTERS

 

A journalist poses with a copy of the Brexit Article 50 bill, introduced by the government to seek parliamentary approval to start the process of leaving the European Union, in front of the Houses of Parliament in London, Britain, January 26, 2017. REUTERS/Toby Melville

 

DUBLIN (Reuters) - A legal challenge to determine whether Britain's exit from the European Union can be reversed once triggered is to be filed in Dublin on Friday with the aim of securing a referral to the EU's top court within months, a lawyer taking the case said.

 

British Prime Minister Theresa May says she will invoke Article 50 of the EU's Lisbon Treaty by the end of March, triggering two years of formal divorce talks.

 

Lawyers for the British government have said that, once started, the process is irrevocable, but some EU leaders say Britain can change its mind.

 

London tax lawyer Jolyon Maugham, who is leading the case to determine whether Britain can unilaterally revoke Article 50 without the consent the other 27 EU states, said in a statement that he hoped the case would be heard by the Irish High court by March or April.

 

In the best-case scenario, the case might then be before the European Court of Justice before the summer, Maugham said.

He said English, Welsh and Northern Irish members of the Green Party will be joining the case as plaintiffs, he said.

 

Ireland was chosen as the case had to be brought in the EU but outside Britain, and its legal system was similar to Britain's. The plaintiffs say the Irish government colluded in a breach of the EU Treaties by wrongly excluding Britain from some EU Council meetings after the referendum.

 

(Reporting by Conor Humphries; Editing by Angus MacSwan)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-01-27

[thisisnotmyrealname]

There will be rioting of the democratically arrived at result of last June is not actioned - The UK out of Europe.

 

The people of England have had enough of the unellected federal leaders and of being part of a federal state the no one was ever balloted on being part of prior to last June. The EU experiment is a failed one for English people. As for the scots and irish - who cares, they have little regard of respect for the wishes of there English colleagues. All the vieled threats of doom and gloom are just that... Bye bye Europe.

[jpinx]

This will be interesting because it examines something that the UK Supreme Court "assumed" in their judgement

[smedly]

1 hour ago, thisisnotmyrealname said:

There will be rioting of the democratically arrived at result of last June is not actioned - The UK out of Europe.

 

The people of England have had enough of the unellected federal leaders and of being part of a federal state the no one was ever balloted on being part of prior to last June. The EU experiment is a failed one for English people. As for the scots and irish - who cares, they have little regard of respect for the wishes of there English colleagues. All the vieled threats of doom and gloom are just that... Bye bye Europe.

If I am understanding this correctly, what they are trying to establish is that the UK can in fact change its mind after art50 has been triggered, the current understanding is that it is irreversible

[yardrunner]

7 hours ago, thisisnotmyrealname said:

There will be rioting of the democratically arrived at result of last June is not actioned - The UK out of Europe.

 

The people of England have had enough of the unellected federal leaders and of being part of a federal state the no one was ever balloted on being part of prior to last June. The EU experiment is a failed one for English people. As for the scots and irish - who cares, they have little regard of respect for the wishes of there English colleagues. All the vieled threats of doom and gloom are just that... Bye bye Europe.

So you are speaking for all the population of England are you including the nearly 50% who voted to stay in.

I voted to stay in but now the decision has been made i think that the people should accept it but disagreeing with any point of view  is not a reason for civil unrest.

The question of a hard or soft brexit needs to be discussed and a concencus reached and no i dont want anyone assuming that they know my point of view.

[Baerboxer]

8 hours ago, thisisnotmyrealname said:

There will be rioting of the democratically arrived at result of last June is not actioned - The UK out of Europe.

 

The people of England have had enough of the unellected federal leaders and of being part of a federal state the no one was ever balloted on being part of prior to last June. The EU experiment is a failed one for English people. As for the scots and irish - who cares, they have little regard of respect for the wishes of there English colleagues. All the vieled threats of doom and gloom are just that... Bye bye Europe.

 

Rioting - do us a favor. The 52% who voted will riot against the 48% who voted remain while the large number who didn't bother to vote watch the entertainment?

 

In your dreams.

[Bureaucrat]

8 hours ago, thisisnotmyrealname said:

There will be rioting of the democratically arrived at result of last June is not actioned - The UK out of Europe.

 

The people of England have had enough of the unellected federal leaders and of being part of a federal state the no one was ever balloted on being part of prior to last June. The EU experiment is a failed one for English people. As for the scots and irish - who cares, they have little regard of respect for the wishes of there English colleagues. All the vieled threats of doom and gloom are just that... Bye bye Europe.

So you now represent the people of England?

Rioting? you mean similar to the Brixton riots lol I don't think so.

 The leavers were feed false information abouts the NHS and farm subsidies. Their decision to leave was based on propaganda from the UKIP and other right wing tories who tried as hard as they could to exploit voters fears about immigration. MP's know this and will vote accordingly.

[14Stevie]

7 minutes ago, Bureaucrat said:

So you now represent the people of England?

Rioting? you mean similar to the Brixton riots lol I don't think so.

 The leavers were feed false information abouts the NHS and farm subsidies. Their decision to leave was based on propaganda from the UKIP and other right wing tories who tried as hard as they could to exploit voters fears about immigration. MP's know this and will vote accordingly.

So do you represent the people in England then? Just asking because you have accused someone else on the basis of having a differing opinion...and there was a majority verdict ....

 

Every voter was fed the same information - and those that digested it acted on it. You can whinge as much as you like about propaganda (a tool of use employed by all sides  - remember the "Remoaners" scaremongering about dire economic repercussions when today it was announced the UK has again seen an 0.6% growth in its economy) so it works both ways.

And to insult voters to say that they were exploited about immigration is churlish at best and merely an excuse by those who patently lost!!

Immigration WAS a factor - but give people credit for not reacting to any alleged exploitation of the issue and merely deciding on what they believe and what they see around them. Or is the inherent belief of something as contentious as immigration on what people perceive only limited to one side of the divide?

[dunroaming]

It won't be reversed.  Just imagine though that it was and we voted to stay in.  We go back to the EU and say "Hey guys, we changed our minds and have decided that the EU is just great!.  Now I know you kicked out Cameron's agreed concessions when we said we were leaving but how about we sit down again and work out a new deal?"

 

We have burnt our bridges with the EU and they would just give us the one finger response.  We cannot go back, we would be just sidelined on everything.

[eeyang wah]

9 hours ago, thisisnotmyrealname said:

There will be rioting of the democratically arrived at result of last June is not actioned - The UK out of Europe.

 

The people of England have had enough of the unellected federal leaders and of being part of a federal state the no one was ever balloted on being part of prior to last June. The EU experiment is a failed one for English people. As for the scots and irish - who cares, they have little regard of respect for the wishes of there English colleagues. All the vieled threats of doom and gloom are just that... Bye bye Europe.

Oh dear what a load of absolute drivel.. Where to start?

1. This was an advisory referendum, meaning it was not a democratic vote but more of an opinion poll. 

2. Rioting, really? By who? For what purpose? I can see more racist attacks taking place out of anger but sadly that's been going on ever since this disastrous result was announced and the "dark side" of some of the leave voters was revealed. I doubt a reversal would make much difference - if anything it might send these idiots back into the woodwork when they realise their country does not share their sentiments.

3. You do know which countries are in the U.K. don't you? Ireland is certainly not one of them. And I suppose Wales doesn't count?

4. Can you really speak for the entire population of England? Even those that voted to stay? Or didn't vote at all? Likewise, can you also speak for all 'the scots and irish' (sic)?

5. Did you mean "There will be rioting if" ?

6. Did you mean "unelected" ?

7. Did you mean "federal state that" ? Hard to know what you're even trying to say in this sentence. If you're saying the people of the U.K. were never consulted about being members of the EU, perhaps you mean except the referendum of 1975 where 67% voted in favour of remaining?

8. regard "or" respect? 

9. "veiled" ?

10. What do you even mean by "veiled threats of doom and gloom"? A veiled threat is one thing; a prediction of doom and gloom is something else entirely. This sentence is just complete nonsense! Like most of your drivel it just looks like cut-and-paste, misplaced and misunderstood quotes from the Daily Mail. 

11. If you're trying to say that the people who predicted doom and gloom are wrong, well then you may have a point. Except that maybe, just maybe, that's because Brexit has not actually happened yet!

 

I really would like to give leave voters the benefit of the doubt and not cast them all as racist morons, but people like you make it very difficult!

Edited January 27, 2017 by eeyang wah

[smedly]

12 minutes ago, eeyang wah said:

There will be rioting of the democratically arrived at result of last June is not actioned - The UK out of Europe.

 

The people of England have had enough of the unellected federal leaders and of being part of a federal state the no one was ever balloted on being part of prior to last June. The EU experiment is a failed one for English people. As for the scots and irish - who cares, they have little regard of respect for the wishes of there English colleagues. All the vieled threats of doom and gloom are just that... Bye bye Europe.

100% correct

12 minutes ago, eeyang wah said:

Oh dear what a load of absolute drivel.. Where to start?

1. This was an advisory referendum, meaning it was not a democratic vote but more of an opinion poll. 

2. Rioting, really? By who? For what purpose? I can see more racist attacks taking place out of anger but sadly that's been going on ever since this disastrous result was announced and the "dark side" of some of the leave voters was revealed. I doubt a reversal would make much difference - if anything it might send these idiots back into the woodwork when they realise their country does not share their sentiments.

3. You do know which countries are in the U.K. don't you? Ireland is certainly not one of them. And I suppose Wales doesn't count?

4. Can you really speak for the entire population of England? Even those that voted to stay? Or didn't vote at all? Likewise, can you also speak for all 'the scots and irish' (sic)?

5. Did you mean "There will be rioting if" ?

6. Did you mean "unelected" ?

7. Did you mean "federal state that" ? Hard to know what you're even trying to say in this sentence. If you're saying the people of the U.K. were never consulted about being members of the EU, perhaps you mean except the referendum of 1975 where 67% voted in favour of remaining?

8. regard "or" respect? 

9. "veiled" ?

10. What do you even mean by "veiled threats of doom and gloom"? A veiled threat is one thing; a prediction of doom and gloom is something else entirely. This sentence is just complete nonsense! Like most of your drivel it just looks like cut-and-paste, misplaced and misunderstood quotes from the Daily Mail. 

11. If you're trying to say that the people who predicted doom and gloom are wrong, well then you may have a point. Except that maybe, just maybe, that's because Brexit has not actually happened yet!

 

I really would like to give leave voters the benefit of the doubt and not cast them all as racist morons, but people like you make it very difficult!

Astounding pile of nonsense and crap you just typed - shocking

 

The UK (United Kingdom) is leaving the EU, hard soft or otherwise they are leaving, there is no half way house 50/50 ...............................leaving, do you get that - in 3 years time the UK will have left what we currently refer to the EU - European Union - there will be a new relationship negotiated - what that is remains to be seen but the result will be the same -

 

THE UK WILL NO LONGER BE A MEMBER OF THE EU

[dunroaming]

11 minutes ago, smedly said:

THE UK WILL NO LONGER BE A MEMBER OF THE EU

I agree with that and we do not know what the outcome will be.  After we have finally left the EU (in two + years from now)we will then be able to negotiate new trade deals with whoever that will be.  They, by all accounts take around two years before they can be triggered so until then all bets are off. For the next four years plus actual trade deals will be in limbo. These are the facts.  The rest is speculation.

[Bureaucrat]

15 minutes ago, smedly said:

100% correct

Astounding pile of nonsense and crap you just typed - shocking

 

The UK (United Kingdom) is leaving the EU, hard soft or otherwise they are leaving, there is no half way house 50/50 ...............................leaving, do you get that - in 3 years time the UK will have left what we currently refer to the EU - European Union - there will be a new relationship negotiated - what that is remains to be seen but the result will be the same -

 

THE UK WILL NO LONGER BE A MEMBER OF THE EU

Sorry to rain on your parade but we will not be leaving the EU because of racists like you spouting of half baked ideology. Why don't you go and join Trump and all his haters?

[Bureaucrat]

44 minutes ago, eeyang wah said:

Oh dear what a load of absolute drivel.. Where to start?

1. This was an advisory referendum, meaning it was not a democratic vote but more of an opinion poll. 

2. Rioting, really? By who? For what purpose? I can see more racist attacks taking place out of anger but sadly that's been going on ever since this disastrous result was announced and the "dark side" of some of the leave voters was revealed. I doubt a reversal would make much difference - if anything it might send these idiots back into the woodwork when they realise their country does not share their sentiments.

3. You do know which countries are in the U.K. don't you? Ireland is certainly not one of them. And I suppose Wales doesn't count?

4. Can you really speak for the entire population of England? Even those that voted to stay? Or didn't vote at all? Likewise, can you also speak for all 'the scots and irish' (sic)?

5. Did you mean "There will be rioting if" ?

6. Did you mean "unelected" ?

7. Did you mean "federal state that" ? Hard to know what you're even trying to say in this sentence. If you're saying the people of the U.K. were never consulted about being members of the EU, perhaps you mean except the referendum of 1975 where 67% voted in favour of remaining?

8. regard "or" respect? 

9. "veiled" ?

10. What do you even mean by "veiled threats of doom and gloom"? A veiled threat is one thing; a prediction of doom and gloom is something else entirely. This sentence is just complete nonsense! Like most of your drivel it just looks like cut-and-paste, misplaced and misunderstood quotes from the Daily Mail. 

11. If you're trying to say that the people who predicted doom and gloom are wrong, well then you may have a point. Except that maybe, just maybe, that's because Brexit has not actually happened yet!

 

I really would like to give leave voters the benefit of the doubt and not cast them all as racist morons, but people like you make it very difficult!

I salute and applaud  you madam.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Bureaucrat

[Bureaucrat]

1 hour ago, 14Stevie said:

So do you represent the people in England then? Just asking because you have accused someone else on the basis of having a differing opinion...and there was a majority verdict ....

 

Every voter was fed the same information - and those that digested it acted on it. You can whinge as much as you like about propaganda (a tool of use employed by all sides  - remember the "Remoaners" scaremongering about dire economic repercussions when today it was announced the UK has again seen an 0.6% growth in its economy) so it works both ways.

And to insult voters to say that they were exploited about immigration is churlish at best and merely an excuse by those who patently lost!!

Immigration WAS a factor - but give people credit for not reacting to any alleged exploitation of the issue and merely deciding on what they believe and what they see around them. Or is the inherent belief of something as contentious as immigration on what people perceive only limited to one side of the divide?

Go and join Trump.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Bureaucrat

[Bureaucrat]

1 hour ago, 14Stevie said:

So do you represent the people in England then? Just asking because you have accused someone else on the basis of having a differing opinion...and there was a majority verdict ....

 

Every voter was fed the same information - and those that digested it acted on it. You can whinge as much as you like about propaganda (a tool of use employed by all sides  - remember the "Remoaners" scaremongering about dire economic repercussions when today it was announced the UK has again seen an 0.6% growth in its economy) so it works both ways.

And to insult voters to say that they were exploited about immigration is churlish at best and merely an excuse by those who patently lost!!

Immigration WAS a factor - but give people credit for not reacting to any alleged exploitation of the issue and merely deciding on what they believe and what they see around them. Or is the inherent belief of something as contentious as immigration on what people perceive only limited to one side of the divide?

Is that what you read in the The Daily Mail?

[The Dark Lord]

There are far too many bad losers on TVF. 

 

Time to to grow up kiddos, the referendum was NOT advisory, there was no use of the word advisory or any expression pertaining to it.

 

jeez you guys, get a life!

[dunroaming]

This is very tedious.  We have all lost. there are no winners here.  The fact that we are all bickering about it proves that.  United Kingdom my arse!

[eeyang wah]

2 hours ago, smedly said:

100% correct

100%? So not a single one of my 11 points was valid?

 

2 hours ago, smedly said:

Astounding pile of nonsense and crap you just typed - shocking

 

 

The UK (United Kingdom) is leaving the EU, hard soft or otherwise they are leaving, there is no half way house 50/50 ...............................leaving, do you get that - in 3 years time the UK will have left what we currently refer to the EU - European Union - there will be a new relationship negotiated - what that is remains to be seen but the result will be the same -

 

THE UK WILL NO LONGER BE A MEMBER OF THE EU

Yes I agree, it certainly seems that way. What's your point exactly?

[eeyang wah]

14 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

This is very tedious.  We have all lost. there are no winners here.  The fact that we are all bickering about it proves that.  United Kingdom my arse!

Best post yet!

[melvinmelvin]

10 hours ago, jpinx said:

This will be interesting because it examines something that the UK Supreme Court "assumed" in their judgement

 

yes, interesting.

 

can't be bothered to look it up on Celex at this time of the day but my guess is that this aspect (UK changing her mind after having invoked A50) is not really covered in the treaty

 

anyway, still there is this referendum result, can it legally be swept under the carpet in the UK?

 

 

[eeyang wah]

32 minutes ago, The Dark Lord said:

There are far too many bad losers on TVF. 

 

Time to to grow up kiddos, the referendum was NOT advisory, there was no use of the word advisory or any expression pertaining to it.

 

jeez you guys, get a life!

You're correct - that wording was never used, however referendums in the U.K. are not legally binding and do require the approval of parliament, hence by their very nature are all advisory. 

[eeyang wah]

6 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

yes, interesting.

 

can't be bothered to look it up on Celex at this time of the day but my guess is that this aspect (UK changing her mind after having invoked A50) is not really covered in the treaty

 

anyway, still there is this referendum result, can it legally be swept under the carpet in the UK?

 

 

It truly is a messy situation! The government promised they would follow whatever the people decided, but it turns out they didn't have the power to make that promise. 

[3NUMBAS]

Civil war and rioting would result ...And more dead MPs taken out by nutters ..

[smedly]

9 hours ago, Bureaucrat said:

1

00% correct

Astounding pile of nonsense and crap you just typed - shocking

 

The UK (United Kingdom) is leaving the EU, hard soft or otherwise they are leaving, there is no half way house 50/50 ...............................leaving, do you get that - in 3 years time the UK will have left what we currently refer to the EU - European Union - there will be a new relationship negotiated - what that is remains to be seen but the result will be the same -

 

THE UK WILL NO LONGER BE A MEMBER OF THE EU

9 hours ago, Bureaucrat said:

Sorry to rain on your parade but we will not be leaving the EU because of racists like you spouting of half baked ideology. Why don't you go and join Trump and all his haters?

what on earth are you going on about ?

 

I'm racist because the UK is leaving the EU - absurd post

 

 

and BTW - the EU as it is now will not survive without the UK

[smedly]

7 hours ago, eeyang wah said:

Astounding pile of nonsense and crap you just typed - shocking

 

 

The UK (United Kingdom) is leaving the EU, hard soft or otherwise they are leaving, there is no half way house 50/50 ...............................leaving, do you get that - in 3 years time the UK will have left what we currently refer to the EU - European Union - there will be a new relationship negotiated - what that is remains to be seen but the result will be the same -

 

THE UK WILL NO LONGER BE A MEMBER OF THE EU

 

7 hours ago, eeyang wah said:

100%? So not a single one of my 11 points was valid?

 

Yes I agree, it certainly seems that way. What's your point exactly?

I was responding to your pile of drivel that you decided to exclude from the reply

 

I believe my post was very easy to understand and requires absolutely no explanation - keep reading it until it makes sense or get an adult to help you

[prestburypark]

11 hours ago, Bureaucrat said:

So you now represent the people of England?

Rioting? you mean similar to the Brixton riots lol I don't think so.

 The leavers were feed false information abouts the NHS and farm subsidies. Their decision to leave was based on propaganda from the UKIP and other right wing tories who tried as hard as they could to exploit voters fears about immigration. MP's know this and will vote accordingly.

I don't believe that 52 % of the British public are so naive as to have been hoodwinked by a bit of pre-vote propaganda, any more than the 48% who voted remain were....it was years of propaganda from the EU and the blatant assumption by the European Project that the sheep would follow the 

script whilst being rammed by the shepherd that those who voted leave had a sore enough passage with no ky jelly to ease their pain finally said:

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Ouch, that smarted for years.

[Scott]

46 minutes ago, smedly said:

 

I was responding to your pile of drivel that you decided to exclude from the reply

 

I believe my post was very easy to understand and requires absolutely no explanation - keep reading it until it makes sense or get an adult to help you

I strongly suggest that all people posting remember to keep the discussion civil.  

[Richard W]

2 hours ago, prestburypark said:

I don't believe that 52 % of the British public are so naive as to have been hoodwinked by a bit of pre-vote propaganda, any more than the 48% who voted remain were....it was years of propaganda from the EU and the blatant assumption by the European Project that the sheep would follow the 

script whilst being rammed by the shepherd that those who voted leave had a sore enough passage with no ky jelly to ease their pain finally said:

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Ouch, that smarted for years.

It didn't help that no honourable reason to remain was being promoted.  If one decided that money should not be the reason for the decision, no relevant, plausible argument to remain was being offered.

[jpinx]

11 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

yes, interesting.

 

can't be bothered to look it up on Celex at this time of the day but my guess is that this aspect (UK changing her mind after having invoked A50) is not really covered in the treaty

 

anyway, still there is this referendum result, can it legally be swept under the carpet in the UK?

 

 

The author of Art50 has said that it is not irrevocable, but nobody is listening to him , it seems.

http://www.businessinsider.com/lord-kerr-author-article-50-brexit-reversed-high-court-ruling-2016-11

 

As for the vote and all those who complain about the close margin.  He's why the referendum was deliberately *not* run along constituency lines....

 

The EU referendum: how did Westminster constituencies vote?

: 421 out of 574 English and Welsh Westminster constituencies probably voted to Leave.

https://medium.com/@chrishanretty/the-eu-referendum-how-did-westminster-constituencies-vote-283c85cd20e1#.p9k7pcx1j

 

A political party aiming to fight a general election on an anti-Brexit platform could lose by as many as 150 seats, analysis suggests.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/anti-brexit-parties-would-win-150-fewer-seats-than-pro-leave-par/

 

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/965897-uk-the-brexit-ball-is-rolling/?do=findComment&comment=11564727

 

Edited January 28, 2017 by jpinx