When should I do my TM30 thing at Jomtien?

[Lovethailandelite]

1 hour ago, wobalt said:

And when you leave during the 24 h grace period again....? I am wondering that you have done two TM 30, but have been fined for not doing a TM28...alternative facts??

It's not a 'Grace' period. It's the law to report 'Within' 24 hrs of returning so yes, in that case you need to report and i will say again, it's zero, nothing, nada to do with a TM28. People have clouded the issue with this TM28 talk. The only thing where it comes to being even close to ba TM28 issue is the fact they appear to be using the same rule to apply the same fine amount. They want a new TM30 filed each and every time, not a TM28! Unless your moving here permanently to a permanent address from a previous permanent address then you don't need a TM28 but a TM30. Clear now? For the record, I was fined ONCE at the first time of filing for no TM30 being filed for the previous 3 years. No more fines now I know what they want and do it how they want. As for the those who are posting, 'I haven't been asked' you really shouldn't be waiting to be asked! Everybody now knows it's the law and a requirement so if you want to be legal just file it. Who knows what comes in the future when you eventually do get caught? As they so though, 'Up to you'.

[wobalt]

Possibly you are a special case but I am remembering that you published a receipt that telling me you are fined because of TM28. I believe that you have been hit hard by that but there are many, which are not been fined, even in Jomtien..

[Lovethailandelite]

1 minute ago, wobalt said:

Possibly you are a special case but I am remembering that you published a receipt that telling me you are fined because of TM28. I believe that you have been hit hard by that but there are many, which are not been fined, even in Jomtien..

Hardly a special case considering the amount of people that have been hit lol
I think you have made a mistake regarding my previous post. It was a receipt for a 4000BHT fine for failing to file a TM30 not a TM28. The TM28 part came from speculation by someone posting that was never involved and has never been involved with Jomtien immigration.
This is why I keep saying to people, don't keep posting about a TM28 as it's doing no more than confusing people as to what Jomtien want.

[wobalt]

Hardly a special case considering the amount of people that have been hit lol
I think you have made a mistake regarding my previous post. It was a receipt for a 4000BHT fine for failing to file a TM30 not a TM28. The TM28 part came from speculation by someone posting that was never involved and has never been involved with Jomtien immigration.
This is why I keep saying to people, don't keep posting about a TM28 as it's doing no more than confusing people as to what Jomtien want.

Your receipt is referring to regulation 37, which means that you moved/changed your permanent address without indication (TM28)

[Lovethailandelite]

Just now, wobalt said:

Your receipt is referring to regulation 37, which means that you moved/changed your permanent address without indication (TM28)

I had no permanent address to change and no TM28 to file...ever. Neither before or now. There has NEVER been a mention of any TM28 to me or anybody else that I know who has been hit with exactly the same fine. As I have said, I believe they are rolling the TM28 and TM30 together. Even those that have a TM28 filed, are being fined exactly the same amount for not filing a TM30. How does a Tourist wanting to extend there 30 day visa or obtain a resident certificate then have to file a TM28 (Your analogy) pay a fine for failing to file the TM30 before they can extend?
EVERYBODY has to file or be filed on a TM30 when entering the country every time (According to the law). We can backwards and forwards all day regarding what they write on a receipt. Fact is, if you fail to file a TM30 you get the fine and technically, your here illegally.

[wobalt]

I am referring to YOUR case, not to Tourists, which are usually haven't to file a TM30 or TM28. But anyway ..your last sentence says everything to me..

[Lovethailandelite]

Just now, wobalt said:

I am referring to YOUR case, not to Tourists, which are usually haven't to file a TM30 or TM28. But anyway ..your last sentence says everything to me..

Unless your Thai or have Thai residency everybody's case is the same.

[wobalt]

No, it isn't..

[Lovethailandelite]

Just now, wobalt said:

No, it isn't..

Everybody's case is the same in the need to file a TM30 or be filed when entering the country within a 24 hr period. or/and in being away from your registered address for more than a 24hr period and again to file on your return within a 24hr period.. Not my rules. I just abide by them.

[paul18620]

14 minutes ago, Lovethailandelite said:

Everybody's case is the same in the need to file a TM30 or be filed when entering the country within a 24 hr period. or/and in being away from your registered address for more than a 24hr period and again to file on your return within a 24hr period.. Not my rules. I just abide by them.

This is utter nonsense what you saying by staying away from your registered address for 24 hours and when you return you have to file it again ,it is utter nonsense .

And if you don't need to visit an Immigration Office during your stay here there is no need to file the TM30 either.

[Lovethailandelite]

Just now, paul18620 said:

This is utter nonsense what you saying by staying away from your registered address for 24 hours and when you return you have to file it again ,it is utter nonsense .

And if you don't need to visit an Immigration Office during your stay here there is no need to file the TM30 either.

Take it up with immigration.

[louse1953]

35 minutes ago, Lovethailandelite said:

Take it up with immigration.

Most of us have and as said before you seem to be "special".My IO's are sensible.If  i leave the country and return,she reports me as being back.Anywhere else in province,out of province for any amount of time is nothing done by her or me.Straight from the horses mouth,twice.

[paul18620]

49 minutes ago, Lovethailandelite said:

Take it up with immigration.

There is no need to take it up with immigration as what you have said is nonsense.

[Lovethailandelite]

9 minutes ago, louse1953 said:

Most of us have and as said before you seem to be "special".My IO's are sensible.If  i leave the country and return,she reports me as being back.Anywhere else in province,out of province for any amount of time is nothing done by her or me.Straight from the horses mouth,twice.

So you report your back?

[Lovethailandelite]

1 minute ago, paul18620 said:

There is no need to take it up with immigration as what you have said is nonsense.

As I said, take it up with immigration. Of course, we all know you won't.

[gmac]

17 minutes ago, louse1953 said:

Most of us have and as said before you seem to be "special".My IO's are sensible.If  i leave the country and return,she reports me as being back.Anywhere else in province,out of province for any amount of time is nothing done by her or me.Straight from the horses mouth,twice.

I was told the same (Jomtien) when I filed my first ever TM30 (wife's house) on returning to Thailand in December.  The lady told me it was very important that I had lodged the TM30 form and should do so each time I return to Thailand.  When I asked about trips within Thailand outside the province she said not necessary.

[Lovethailandelite]

1 minute ago, gmac said:

I was told the same (Jomtien) when I filed my first ever TM30 (wife's house) on returning to Thailand in December.  The lady told me it was very important that I had lodged the TM30 form and should do so each time I return to Thailand.  When I asked about trips within Thailand outside the province she said not necessary.

As what was explained to me why the reason the need to report back after being out of province is the fact that should a Hotel or a household report you for arguments sake being in Loei, your TM30 report is out of line and your on the system as being in Loei which completely defeats the object of Immigration wanting to know where you are when you have actually returned to your residence.
Don't be surprised that if it some stage your pulled on it and the IO that told you no need to report denies ever saying it.
That is my belief why there is a totally separate office at Jomtien dealing with the TM30 issue and it's not dealt with at the general desks downstairs. There has been previous reports on here before with the General desks downstairs giving out conflicting an wrong information to the TM30 team upstairs.

[JackThompson]

1 minute ago, Lovethailandelite said:

As what was explained to me why the reason the need to report back after being out of province is the fact that should a Hotel or a household report you for arguments sake being in Loei, your TM30 report is out of line and your on the system as being in Loei which completely defeats the object of Immigration wanting to know where you are when you have actually returned to your residence.
Don't be surprised that if it some stage your pulled on it and the IO that told you no need to report denies ever saying it.
That is my belief why there is a totally separate office at Jomtien dealing with the TM30 issue and it's not dealt with at the general desks downstairs. There has been previous reports on here before with the General desks downstairs giving out conflicting an wrong information to the TM30 team upstairs.

I filed both of my TM-30 forms, once for each condo where I lived, at the desk where I applied for my Tourist-Visa 30-Day extensions - 50+ days after I had entered the country.  I've never been to the "upstairs" area.  There was no fine then, or in the many other extensions I received, where they saw I had the old TM-30 receipt in my passport, and I had not made any special trip upon my return to Thailand.  I was told, verbatim, that as long as I did not move, I did not need to file another TM-30. 

 

BUT, because there have been issues/fines with some people (apparently those on long-term extensions), I will henceforth "report" myself each time I return to the country, just to be on the safe-side.  Policies change, and what they said to me then, may not apply now.  Worst-case, I waste a little time - but I want them to know, beyond any doubt, that I am doing my best to respect their laws/policies.

[Lovethailandelite]

1 minute ago, JackThompson said:

I filed both of my TM-30 forms, once for each condo where I lived, at the desk where I applied for my Tourist-Visa 30-Day extensions - 50+ days after I had entered the country.  I've never been to the "upstairs" area.  There was no fine then, or in the many other extensions I received, where they saw I had the old TM-30 receipt in my passport, and I had not made any special trip upon my return to Thailand.  I was told, verbatim, that as long as I did not move, I did not need to file another TM-30. 

 

BUT, because there have been issues/fines with some people (apparently those on long-term extensions), I will henceforth "report" myself each time I return to the country, just to be on the safe-side.  Policies change, and what they said to me then, may not apply now.  Worst-case, I waste a little time - but I want them to know, beyond any doubt, that I am doing my best to respect their laws/policies.

Can you do me favour. When you go upstairs ask them EXACTLY what they require on reporting in when returning to your residence after being out of the country AND when being out of the province should you of stayed over 24hrs and a TM30 was lodged in the other province and report back EXACTLY what you was told you are expected to do?

[kalasiner]

6 hours ago, ellathai said:

Anyone know about  Sakon Nakhon Immigration office as far as tm28 and tm30 goes? Have they got any rules of there own that l should know about?

I recently moved from Khon Kaen to Kalasin, for which Sakon Nakhon Immi is responsible. They gave me the receipt for the TM30 but told me the TM28 is not necessary. To be safe I went with the TM28 to the local police station and they were not interested, saying the TM30 report slip was sufficient....and asking my wife why this stupid falang wants to report twice for one change of address. I fully expect one day to be fined for not handing in a TM28 !!

Coincidentally my 90 day report was due and I was happy to be able to combine this with the TM30/28 visit...but no, TIT. Because my extension was made in Khon Kaen I could only make the 90 day report at Khon Kaen, a 270 km round trip...a problem which could have been avoided IF the internet reporting was functioning.

LOS=Land Of Stupid (immigration rules).

 

[doctormann]

Well, this is all getting very confusing.

 

I am on a retirement extension and have been for twelve years.  I have also lived at the same address for all that time - house in in wife's name.  I have not left Thailand for several years - last time was in 2011.  I use the Jomptien office for 90-day reports and annual extensions.

 

I have never been asked for a TM30.  However, when this TM30 thing started to rear its ugly head, maybe about a year ago, I did try to submit one.  The officer just laughed and told me that as I had been registered with the Jomptien office for twelve years there was no need for me to submit the form.  He further told me that the only time that a TM30 would be required was if I left Thailand and re-entered - then I should abide by the 24-hour rule.  He also told me that if I was visiting somewhere out of province - e.g. overnight stay in Bangkok, which I do occasionally, there was no need to submit  a TM30 if I was returning to my registered address.

 

So, fine, nothing to do - except that I have the feeling that I'm going to get fined sooner or later for not submitting the blasted form!  I did a 90-day report last month - no mention of the TM30, neither was there at my last annual extension, last June.

 

If I try to submit one now, as many posters seem to think is a good idea, what on earth do I put down for the residence date?  The last true date that I took up residence after returning to Thailand was somewhere back in 2011.  I could, of course, put down the date as the day before I front up to Immigration but that would fairly obviously be false.

 

What to do?

 

 

 

[paul18620]

2 minutes ago, doctormann said:

Well, this is all getting very confusing.

 

I am on a retirement extension and have been for twelve years.  I have also lived at the same address for all that time - house in in wife's name.  I have not left Thailand for several years - last time was in 2011.  I use the Jomptien office for 90-day reports and annual extensions.

 

I have never been asked for a TM30.  However, when this TM30 thing started to rear its ugly head, maybe about a year ago, I did try to submit one.  The officer just laughed and told me that as I had been registered with the Jomptien office for twelve years there was no need for me to submit the form.  He further told me that the only time that a TM30 would be required was if I left Thailand and re-entered - then I should abide by the 24-hour rule.  He also told me that if I was visiting somewhere out of province - e.g. overnight stay in Bangkok, which I do occasionally, there was no need to submit  a TM30 if I was returning to my registered address.

 

So, fine, nothing to do - except that I have the feeling that I'm going to get fined sooner or later for not submitting the blasted form!  I did a 90-day report last month - no mention of the TM30, neither was there at my last annual extension, last June.

 

If I try to submit one now, as many posters seem to think is a good idea, what on earth do I put down for the residence date?  The last true date that I took up residence after returning to Thailand was somewhere back in 2011.  I could, of course, put down the date as the day before I front up to Immigration but that would fairly obviously be false.

 

What to do?

 

 

 

I wouldn't bother with the form TM -30 on what you have said ,as you still stay at the same address for the past 12 years and the office are happy with this so your safe.

[Lovethailandelite]

5 minutes ago, kalasiner said:

I recently moved from Khon Kaen to Kalasin, for which Sakon Nakhon Immi is responsible. They gave me the receipt for the TM30 but told me the TM28 is not necessary. To be safe I went with the TM28 to the local police station and they were not interested, saying the TM30 report slip was sufficient....and asking my wife why this stupid falang wants to report twice for one change of address. I fully expect one day to be fined for not handing in a TM28 !!

Coincidentally my 90 day report was due and I was happy to be able to combine this with the TM30/28 visit...but no, TIT. Because my extension was made in Khon Kaen I could only make the 90 day report at Khon Kaen, a 270 km round trip...a problem which could have been avoided IF the internet reporting was functioning.

LOS=Land Of Stupid (immigration rules).

 

And that puts to bed the conspiracy theorists that assume the fines are for failing to submit a TM28 which I keep saying it isn't but for a failure to file a TM30.
Thanks for your post.

[Lovethailandelite]

Just now, paul18620 said:

I wouldn't bother with the form TM -30 on what you have said ,as you still stay at the same address for the past 12 years and the office are happy with this so your safe.

Until your caught. More to the point, why would you want to be here longterm and not be 100% legal and to comply with Immigration law over the sake of a form? Again, as they say 'Up to you'.

[paul18620]

He hasn't been caught in 12 years so I find it hard to believe he will be caught now as he has been going to the same office every 90 days for a very long time ,and been told on numerous visits there is no need for him to submit a TM-30 form ,so with your comment "Up yo you" being irrelevant as its not up to him ,its up to the IO and their laws.

And the IO are also allowed to use discretion and what they think is best for the person .

IO are not all bad people and try and extract money for us.

[doctormann]

11 minutes ago, Lovethailandelite said:

Until your caught. More to the point, why would you want to be here longterm and not be 100% legal and to comply with Immigration law over the sake of a form? Again, as they say 'Up to you'.

 

I do, of course, want to be 100% legal here.

 

I'll submit the TM30 if Immigration want me to but I want to avoid getting fined for not doing something that I've been told that I don't need to do!  I guess that sooner or later I'm going to have to submit the form but the question remains - what residence date am I supposed to put on it?

 

As we all know, Immigration can interpret the rules as it suits them and you never really know just what they want from you until you front up on the day.  Having said that, I've never had any issues at Jomptien - and I want to keep it that way.

 

 

[Lovethailandelite]

4 minutes ago, paul18620 said:

He hasn't been caught in 12 years so I find it hard to believe he will be caught now as he has been going to the same office every 90 days for a very long time ,and been told on numerous visits there is no need for him to submit a TM-30 form ,so with your comment "Up yo you" being irrelevant as its not up to him ,its up to the IO and their laws.

And the IO are also allowed to use discretion and what they think is best for the person .

IO are not all bad people and try and extract money for us.

Its the law but if you want to be in denial and be illegal 'Up to you'. If it makes you feel good and cool advising people to be illegal and break the law that's also 'Up to you' BUT it isn't big and it isn't clever and people really shouldn't be taking your advice.

[Lovethailandelite]

Just now, doctormann said:

 

I do, of course, want to be 100% legal here.

 

I'll submit the TM30 if Immigration want me to but I want to avoid getting fined for not doing something that I've been told that I don't need to do!  I guess that sooner or later I'm going to have to submit the form but the question remains - what residence date am I supposed to put on it?

 

As we all know, Immigration can interpret the rules as it suits them and you never really know just what they want from you until you front up on the day.  Having said that, I've never had any issues at Jomptien - and I want to keep it that way.

 

 

They look at the system anyway and see every entry and exit you have had here along with the last time a TM30 was reported. In that case, I am not sure what you put.

[wobalt]

Until your caught. More to the point, why would you want to be here longterm and not be 100% legal and to comply with Immigration law over the sake of a form? Again, as they say 'Up to you'.

I am here since the 80s. However as long as all immigration interpretations in the different offices are not streamlined, you will never be 100 % legal regardless of upcoming changes
But do me favor - may I use your case as reference for my next presentation in this matter??

[doctormann]

1 minute ago, Lovethailandelite said:

They look at the system anyway and see every entry and exit you have had here along with the last time a TM30 was reported. In that case, I am not sure what you put.

 

I reckon I'll leave the date blank - they can tell me what they want me to do.

 

There will be no record of a previous TM30 as there has never been one.  They may have records of my occasional stays in Bangkok I suppose and my last entry date is on my TM6 and in my passport.