White House bars some news organisations from briefing

[stevenl]

He has now declared he won't be attending the correspondent's dinner. Guess he prefers to stay in Florida.

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[craigt3365]

12 hours ago, Rob13 said:

 

 

So in the past anybody with a press pass could show up to the WH for a press conference?

For a press briefing, yes.  For a "gaggle", one rep from each major media organization can attend.  It has never happened where the major ones were blocked.  Never.

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/02/24/how-white-house-press-briefings-usually-work/X0eOY2Ln75hVQJw2l8XoVP/story.html

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Friday’s briefing had been scheduled to be with an “expanded pool” of reporters, according to media reports.

 

Normally at an expanded pool gaggle, at least one person from each news outlet would be able to attend, in addition to pool reporters.

 

Instead, the White House handpicked which outlets could attend the gaggle, a break with tradition.

 

 

It's worth reading the entire article.  This pretty much sums it up:

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New York Times executive editor Dean Baquet said in a statement: “Nothing like this has ever happened at the White House in our long history of covering multiple administrations of different parties.”

 

[craigt3365]

3 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

The lefties are biting today!!

 

There is a difference between differing points of view in reporting, but outright misrepresentations/lies are quite a different thing.  That seems to have passed you by.

 

You may recall the ageing woman trotted out by the Democrats, who claimed she was groped by Trump on a flight, didn't report it to the airline, didn't tell her relatives, didn't report it to the police, but just coincidentally, she emerged two weeks before the election, and this happened 36 YEARS AGO!!!

 

Sure she was.  Everybody (on the left) believed her).

I don't like labels like that.  What many of us are on about is the truth.  No matter your political leaning.  That report by the woman on the plane appears to be true.  Not sure why you don't think it was:

 

http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/13/trump-groping-story-was-made-up/

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True or not, several people confirmed that Leeds had previously recounted her story about Trump to them, and her account was bolstered by that of a second woman, Rachel Crooks, who told reporters that Trump shook her hand and then kissed her without her consent:

 

I'm not sure why you dismissed this so quickly.  It's his word against hers and there are several other women who claim the same thing.

 

http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/factchecking-the-final-presidential-debate-2/

 

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Trump has been accused by eight women of sexual harassment — all of them stepping forward after an Oct. 8 story in the Washington Post about a video that shows Trump boasting of groping women and forcing himself on them.

During the debate, Trump denied the allegations and claimed “those stories have been largely debunked.”

Trump: Well, first of all, those stories have been largely debunked. Those people — I don’t know those people.

First of all, Trump does know some of his accusers. They include Natasha Stoynoff, a People magazine writer who wrote that Trump pushed her against a wall and forcibly kissed her on the mouth during a 2005 interview, and Summer Zervos, a former “Apprentice” contestant who claimed Trump “very aggressively” kissed her and “placed his hand on my breast” at a hotel in 2007. (CNN has compiled a list of his accusers.)

 

 

Hard to believe a word Trump says.  He just lies too much to have credibility.

[craigt3365]

Trump is trying to protect himself from his issues in dealing with Russia.  Especially the CNN report that the administration had talked with the FBI about this.  It fits in.  Silence the messenger that brought out the bad news.  This could get really ugly.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/24/politics/congress-reactions-fbi-white-house/index.html

 

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Congressional Democrats sharply criticized President Donald Trump Friday over a CNN report that the FBI rejected a recent White House request to publicly knock down media reports about communications between Trump's associates and Russians known to US intelligence during the 2016 presidential campaign.

 

CNN reported Thursday that White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus asked the FBI's top two officials, Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and Director James Comey, to say the media reports were wrong after McCabe told Priebus some of the coverage was inaccurate. Comey and McCabe rejected that request, multiple US officials briefed on the matter told CNN.

 

The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

 

 

[craigt3365]

This is a must watch.  It shows why Trump and crew are nervous and trying to muzzle the media.  If this gels, it will be a huge deal.  Unreal.

 

[MarkusAUST]

6 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

The lefties are biting today!!

 

There is a difference between differing points of view in reporting, but outright misrepresentations/lies are quite a different thing.  That seems to have passed you by.

 

You may recall the ageing woman trotted out by the Democrats, who claimed she was groped by Trump on a flight, didn't report it to the airline, didn't tell her relatives, didn't report it to the police, but just coincidentally, she emerged two weeks before the election, and this happened 36 YEARS AGO!!!

 

Sure she was.  Everybody (on the left) believed her).

And you are able to offer comprehensive evidence that her allegation was completely without foundation, are you?

Excellent! Please share it with us.

I seem to recall that she was not alone in making such an allegation.

If you have it, please show us your evidence that all the other accusers were fabricating it too.

And while we are on the subject of outright misrepresentations and lies, you might want to take a slightly closer look at Donalds record in this area, which isn't exactly glowing.

 

[simple1]

2 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

This is a must watch.  It shows why Trump and crew are nervous and trying to muzzle the media.  If this gels, it will be a huge deal.  Unreal.

 

Extradition to the US was approved. but Spain also has a request in for extradition. As you say really interesting to see where the ball finally lands.

 

http://www.politico.eu/article/austrian-court-oks-extradition-ukrainian-oligarch-dmitri-firtash/

Edited February 26, 2017 by simple1

[xylophone]

Ah, a picture paints a thousand words............

 

 

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[JHolmesJr]

3 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

This is a must watch.  It shows why Trump and crew are nervous and trying to muzzle the media.  If this gels, it will be a huge deal.  Unreal.

 

Rachel Maddow totally hates mr trump. We get it.

[craigt3365]

2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Rachel Maddow totally hates mr trump. We get it.

Perhaps.  But is what she's saying true or false?  If true, who cares if she hates Trump or not.  She's basically put together all the info available in place regarding the issues Trump and his team are facing with regards to Russian contacts.  Good stuff.

[rijb]

Just now, craigt3365 said:

Perhaps.  But is what she's saying true or false?  If true, who cares if she hates Trump or not.  She's basically put together all the info available in place regarding the issues Trump and his team are facing with regards to Russian contacts.  Good stuff.

Good point.  'Shooting the messenger' seems to be making a comeback, not excluding TVF.

[Tawan Dok Krating Daeng]

9 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

 

The lefties are biting today!!

 

There is a difference between differing points of view in reporting, but outright misrepresentations/lies are quite a different thing.  That seems to have passed you by.

 

You may recall the ageing woman trotted out by the Democrats, who claimed she was groped by Trump on a flight, didn't report it to the airline, didn't tell her relatives, didn't report it to the police, but just coincidentally, she emerged two weeks before the election, and this happened 36 YEARS AGO!!!

 

Sure she was.  Everybody (on the left) believed her).

More of the alternative reality from someone whose understanding of journalistic principles extends no further than the remote control. I guess it is to be expected from a mind so constrained by ideology that the term objective truth has no relevance.

 

Old right wing men trying to normalize sexual assault. Why are we not surprised. A woman reported a sexual assault by a person who was recorded bragging bout his ability to sexually assault women. New media covered that statement. As they should. It is, after all, what is called 'News'. There are no alternative views to this. The person made the claim. It was reported. An objective truth.

 

Reactionaries don't seem to be able to move on from 2016. Please remain with your heads up your posteriors as the Democrats start to win back political office as a result of the incompetence and bizarre antics of the sexual deviant that is now President. http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/02/25/delaware-special-election-win-shows-energized-democratic-turnout/

 

[F4UCorsair]

1 hour ago, Tawan Dok Krating Daeng said:

More of the alternative reality from someone whose understanding of journalistic principles extends no further than the remote control. I guess it is to be expected from a mind so constrained by ideology that the term objective truth has no relevance.

 

Old right wing men trying to normalize sexual assault. Why are we not surprised. A woman reported a sexual assault by a person who was recorded bragging bout his ability to sexually assault women. New media covered that statement. As they should. It is, after all, what is called 'News'. There are no alternative views to this. The person made the claim. It was reported. An objective truth.

 

Reactionaries don't seem to be able to move on from 2016. Please remain with your heads up your posteriors as the Democrats start to win back political office as a result of the incompetence and bizarre antics of the sexual deviant that is now President. http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/02/25/delaware-special-election-win-shows-energized-democratic-turnout/

 

Nice to see you back from your vacation.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, rijb said:

Good point.  'Shooting the messenger' seems to be making a comeback, not excluding TVF.

Now, if the messenger could just dial back her smug presentation and little bursts of almost maniacal giggles, that'd be great. Seriously, the information is important, and with all that's going on - even more so. Not easy for most people to follow up or make these sort of connections between seemingly unconnected stories. Just that it comes off as less focused on the issues, but more on sticking it to the other side. That's true for many commentators, I think - and perhaps one reason that media outlets on both sides of the political divide face doubts from the public.

Edited February 26, 2017 by Morch

[wreckingcountry]

 
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[notmyself]

4 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Perhaps.  But is what she's saying true or false?  If true, who cares if she hates Trump or not.  She's basically put together all the info available in place regarding the issues Trump and his team are facing with regards to Russian contacts.  Good stuff.

 

All that matters is the truth.... everything else is just window dressing. I could go into objective truth and subjective opinion but you already know the difference and those who don't likely never will. I would be wasting my words.

[craigt3365]

40 minutes ago, notmyself said:

 

All that matters is the truth.... everything else is just window dressing. I could go into objective truth and subjective opinion but you already know the difference and those who don't likely never will. I would be wasting my words.

As long as you are polite, and not too far off topic, you are never wasting your words here!

[canthai55]

23 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

That was in reference to rumors.  And was actually a quote from Europe attributed to the middle ages.  Nothing to do with media spin.  The major media players vet their info quite well.  The fringe sites, not so well.

I see the relevance today. And believe that what I posted was true. See post by Gecko123 - #211 - who expanded on my meaning quite well. This quote also relevant -

 

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...

 

Change the persons or groups in the quote above, and this is what is happening today.

[Tawan Dok Krating Daeng]

3 hours ago, F4UCorsair said:

Nice to see you back from your vacation.

 

Love it when posters talk about me. It is my favorite subject. You wish to hear the details of my work in Ramallah last week? Or next week's tasks? Anything I guess to deflect away from your hysterical commentary on CNN.

[jcsmith]

Trump is out of control. From banning press to briefings, to skipping the upcoming White House Press Dinner, to lying recently about saving $1BN off Air Force one cost. It's easy to get away with lies if you ban all the outlets who call you on it and your fan base is too loyal or dumb to question it.

[notmyself]

36 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

As long as you are polite, and not too far off topic, you are never wasting your words here!

 

Your initial post was not directed to me but it did strike a nerve, as it were.  The idea that 'she hates Trump' being somehow objectively valid as to the truth of another proposition is something I have frequently come across with people of a religious ilk. Anyway....

 

I understand that Obama, when taking office in 2008, wanted to ban Fox on the grounds that he did not consider them a news source. I say ban but what I mean is that these WH press briefings are open to anyone as long as they are involved in the press, journalism etc. and sadly Fox has to be considered one of them. Obama was told he couldn't do it (shouldn't), it blew over and was forgotten.

 

All this is by the by since the issue at hand in the real world has nothing to do with supposed fake news  If you have a dissenting voice then you are immediately branded as producing fake news and if you say it often enough then more and more people believe it without question. Take Obama being Muslim for example! Not sure if it's the entire electorate or just Republican voters but some 40% still believe that he is a Muslim. It is demonstrably false and has been shown to be false for years but the damage has already been done. CNN etc. were banned because they wrote something that hurt his feelings. Good grief.

 

 

[bangkok101]

check this out, pay attention to the blond spouting off about "its the media's job to control the public's thinking" (2:06 of the vid)

 

It is no wonder Trump is calling out media groups, they are a huge problem when it comes to reporting the truth.

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5337902680001/?#sp=show-clips

[craigt3365]

3 minutes ago, bangkok101 said:

check this out, pay attention to the blond spouting off about "its the media's job to control the public's thinking" (2:06 of the vid)

 

It is no wonder Trump is calling out media groups, they are a huge problem when it comes to reporting the truth.

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5337902680001/?#sp=show-clips

He's a nut.  Hard to listen to him. 

 

As for the clip, it was cut off for effect.  Spin at it's worst.

[bangkok101]

His points are dead on, factual and convincing since they are accurately  backed up by facts or evidence.. hard to dispute him, nut or nut he's shootin straight.

 

if he's a nut, what do you call the blond lady after making those comments....a truthful nut, someone that just admitted media's job is to control how people think?

 

I like his good and factual spin, makes all the sense.

[craigt3365]

20 minutes ago, bangkok101 said:

His points are dead on, factual and convincing since they are accurately  backed up by facts or evidence.. hard to dispute him, nut or nut he's shootin straight.

 

if he's a nut, what do you call the blond lady after making those comments....a truthful nut, someone that just admitted media's job is to control how people think?

 

I like his good and factual spin, makes all the sense.

Trump is a proven liar.  He's has little credibility now.  He's already said he supports "alternative facts". LOL  Unreal.

 

You're taking a sound bite and spinning it.  Don't read too much into that 5 second comment.

[notmyself]

38 minutes ago, bangkok101 said:

check this out, pay attention to the blond spouting off about "its the media's job to control the public's thinking" (2:06 of the vid)

 

It is no wonder Trump is calling out media groups, they are a huge problem when it comes to reporting the truth.

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5337902680001/?#sp=show-clips

 

That's pretty rich coming from Fox who are infamous worldwide for their extreme bias and false news reporting.

 

 

Trying to throw their own litany of factually incorrect news reporting under the rug it seems. They will pump out fallacious information for days from dawn 'til dusk and then say sorry for the error (sometimes) in a 10 second piece weeks later on some nondescript 3am show lasting maybe 5 seconds.

 

There was some research regarding so called corporate cable news a few years back that showed that Fox viewers were less informed than the other outlets which is kinda bad but someone has to come last. The real issue is that they were less informed than even those who watched no news outlet of this type at all. What this means is that after watching 10 hours of Fox you are less informed than if you watched nothing at all. What does that mean?

 

 

[bangkok101]

4 minutes ago, notmyself said:

 

That's pretty rich coming from Fox who are infamous worldwide for their extreme bias and false news reporting.

 

 

Trying to throw their own litany of factually incorrect news reporting under the rug it seems. They will pump out fallacious information for days from dawn 'til dusk and then say sorry for the error (sometimes) in a 10 second piece weeks later on some nondescript 3am show lasting maybe 5 seconds.

 

There was some research regarding so called corporate cable news a few years back that showed that Fox viewers were less informed than the other outlets which is kinda bad but someone has to come last. The real issue is that they were less informed than even those who watched no news outlet of this type at all. What this means is that after watching 10 hours of Fox you are less informed than if you watched nothing at all. What does that mean?

 

 

cannot dispute facts and evidence, it's reality, that's my message. I don't favor one news org over another, just choose to go with the accurate presenter, backed up by evidence. it's real simple.

[attrayant]

59 minutes ago, bangkok101 said:

check this out, pay attention to the blond spouting off about "its the media's job to control the public's thinking" (2:06 of the vid)

 

It is no wonder Trump is calling out media groups, they are a huge problem when it comes to reporting the truth.

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5337902680001/?#sp=show-clips

 

Fallacy of composition.  Mika doesn't speak for the media, any more than a member of the republican party speaks for the entire party.  I also noticed that they cut the clip very abruptly, and if you go listen to the entire segment you can see why they did that - because Joe Scarborough immediately agrees with her.  Also it's quite clear that she's referring to the media's roll in getting information to the public, or what she refers to as 'the messaging', because the entire point of the discussion was Trump trying to undermine the messaging.

[Andaman Al]

Says it all really.

 

[Andaman Al]

Things are heating up in the White House. Funny as hell!

 

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Sean Spicer targets own staff in leak crackdown

The push includes random phone checks overseen by White House lawyers.

It seems this breaking story about checking for leaks will infuriate Spicer even more, who told everyone NOT to tell the press they had had their phones checked.

 

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Upon entering Spicer’s office for what one person briefed on the gathering described as “an emergency meeting,” staffers were told to dump their phones on a table for a “phone check," to prove they had nothing to hide.

..............Spicer also warned the group of more problems if news of the phone checks and the meeting about leaks was leaked to the media.

This is all bound to hurt even more as (amongst others) the story is being pushed by Politico. LMAO

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/sean-spicer-targets-own-staff-in-leak-crackdown-235413