scorecard Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 11 hours ago, Retiredandhappyhere said: So that is why this guy was assaulted when there was no question about him paying his bill? How can you make a definitive statement that there was no question whether he had paid the bill? Do you have access to absolute proof that the bill was paid? By the way, I'm not making any statement in any direction about this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 10 hours ago, farcanell said: Apparently, given the clarity of his recollection, he does remember apparently, given that when he made his police report, it was taken seriously. not all people are blackout drunks... some can drink responsibly, all night, without loosing recollection of events, or getting drunk, as defined by the law ( not that the law about drunkenness applies to pedestrians) and the police are there ( the same police who took the report seriously) to protect others from abuse... which we know... which you know.... happens often in pattaya. the guard had no reason to suspect that the guy was fleeing anything... had no right to assault him... had no right even to accost him. you seem to have a bias against people who drink.... teetotal all you want... but don't discriminate against someone who does drink, because drink doesn't equate to drunk... nor does drunk equate to breaking any laws. and... last I looked... the police didn't keep bank hours... its a 24/7 job.... so the time of day doesn't make one bit of difference there I was... 4.30 am... a guy breaks in, knocks me out, rapes my wife... but hey, it was 4.30am... don't worry about it... OTT, yes, but you get the point, don't you? and if jumping a road barrier is irresponsible... hell... 50% of the world needs smacking in the face, for this, or similarly "irresponsible" actions Did the previous posts from the OP mention a 'road barrier', or 'a barrier inside the bar'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 'the guard had no reason to suspect that the guy was fleeing anything... had no right to assault him... had no right even to accost him'. Your talking about Pattaya, incidents everyday of theft, failure to pay etc. That's part of the reason why bars have security guards. You play in these locations in Pattaya (and Phuket, and many locations in the world), you accept what comes along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joepattaya1961 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 Jeezz, out of almost 100 replies there's just a handful answers to the question: "What should I do?" Moral police is up to full force!! As for the OP: You could file a complaint at Soi 9, but it will only satisfy your possible hurt feelings. Don't expect too much from it. As for the future, but I guess you figured that out: Get around barriers and avoid any confrontation with short-fused security-people. They're usually frustrated ex-coppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrahmm Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, tropo said: Apologizing for the security guard? Seriously? Let's just keep the story as presented and make our comments based on that. There's no need to fantasize about scenarios where the security guard was doing the right thing. That's absurd. Nobody is apologizing for anyone - just saying it was reactionary.... If the two men had wanted to - or persued an attack on a stumbling admitted drunk on a pretty empty street or sidewalk he'd be in the hospital - - maybe with empty pockets.....By most reported incidents standards it seems ladyboys do more damage than he received.... Was it right he got tagged in the face.....Probably not....What exactly took place we'll never know - only one side of it....From a drunk.... Probably a good thing he didn't barrel/hurtle/stumble into a couple of drunk africans or russians.... A couple of cctv angles would probably go a long way into explaining cause & effect + provide instant, (accurate), memory.... All in all he's pretty fortunate & hopefully he quits jumping over signs & barriers....Might break an arm, collar bone, ankle, or neck next time.....All by himself.... Edited March 10, 2017 by pgrahmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 hours ago, jerojero said: I've got a used amulet. Will that work as good as rabbit foot? Give it a shot you never know. Any port in a storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havrum Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 I know this area quite well, a strange story to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny1990 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 5 hours ago, steven100 said: want some good advice .... forget it and move on. welcome to thailand. walking around drunk in any town at 4.00am is asking for trouble, don't do it again. If you want to drink and enjoy, make sure you do it with 1 or 2 others ... never on your own. never get into an argument with a thai, you'll always come off second best. pay for your beer each time you get one, don't run up a tab. never hire a jet ski. never take a girl to your room. never wear gold in Pattaya. never stop when someone wants to chat with you in the street ... it's likely a scam be street wise, careful and smart .... and you will be fine. Can he still inhale oxygen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 6 hours ago, tropo said: Apologizing for the security guard? Seriously? Let's just keep the story as presented and make our comments based on that. There's no need to fantasize about scenarios where the security guard was doing the right thing. That's absurd. The security guard that did a runner before the BiB arrived because...... ??? any number of answers... one highly likely one is because he knew he was in the wrong for assaulting the young man someone called the young man "barely legal"... 5555... at 22, brits have been drinking for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 3 hours ago, scorecard said: Did the previous posts from the OP mention a 'road barrier', or 'a barrier inside the bar'? Apologies.... not sure how " road" ended up in there before "barrier" good catch scorecard... keep me honest ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidream Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 The only way to put a dent in this type of bad behavior by security guards is to get the police involved and ask for compensation. That hurts the bar in the pocket and most likely gets the security guard fired. If the young man goes to the police and presses charges that forces the police to investigate and since he is a tourist most likely he will get some compensation. However, I would then avoid Walking Street and Pattaya- so many other places that are much nicer with a better atmosphere. Walking street is sealing its own fate- it's on the way out. It won't be missed/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxcorrigan Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 20 hours ago, natway09 said: A drunk Brit in walking street at 4.30am jumping over the dividers. Go & purchase some common sense somewhere before bursting into print I would not want to get in the way of your Brit bash, but where does it say he was a Brit? He seemed more like an Arab to me, as another poster suggested, or have i missed something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 28 minutes ago, maxcorrigan said: I would not want to get in the way of your Brit bash, but where does it say he was a Brit? He seemed more like an Arab to me, as another poster suggested, or have i missed something! If you go allll the way back, and read the thread, you will see that he says he is not an Arab, but British.... oh hell... that's too hard isn't it... just jump to post six Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, pgrahmm said: Nobody is apologizing for anyone - just saying it was reactionary.... You are apologizing for the security guard. What you should have said was: "maybe it could have been reactionary...", but your mind was made up and you said: "it was reactionary".... The only possible reason it could have been reactionary is if the OP attacked him and he hit him back.... but let's not dream up scenarios. You're trying desperately to give the security guard some credibility here. Edited March 10, 2017 by tropo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binjalin Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 35 minutes ago, tropo said: You are apologizing for the security guard. What you should have said was: "maybe it could have been reactionary...", but your mind was made up and you said: "it was reactionary".... The only possible reason it could have been reactionary is if the OP attacked him and he hit him back.... but let's not dream up scenarios. You're trying desperately to give the security guard some credibility here. there is no justification EVER for this type of assault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 19 hours ago, tropo said: Most certainly you've had little to do with police in your 11 years here and know nothing about them. The police don't have sympathy for anyone at all. You don't know much about them too, got a couple of friends there (1 a police colonel) who do care . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgrahmm Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 When you're in an at risk community or area......Hanging around doing at risk stuff - with other people with the same at risk lifestyle behaviors & characteristics - sooner or later something negative is going to take place..... Did the OP deserve it? Maybe not.... Was the OP acting responsibly and at full senses = no - wasn't hurt because he was too numb from the drunk..... Was it unfortunate = yes....Did he help bring the incident about = yes..... Was he lucky? Possibly.... Something worse might have been waiting if he made that first jump / or missed it even worse than he did..... Or maybe just a safe trip back to his room.... Did he learn - time will tell..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinediscoking Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 It was wrong to punched and I have seen many assaults late on walking street by thai's for little or no reason. Most assaults I have seen are by foreign hooligan types on other tourists who are out alone. Seems idiots come here and after having a few want to be bullies. I think where the op tried to jump the barrier is pictured below, which is a private walkway to walking street that is closed at about 2am after the kiosk vendors go home. You can almost see the entrance down past Marine mansion and it takes you out by family mart. People are trying to jump this all night long and maybe the security just lost it but still no excuse. I would report it to the tourists police as this is not acceptable. They keep out so no one can break into the vendors booths. This actually used to be road i would drive on until they changed it about 15 years ago. If the OP knew he could have easily gone through the bars to the right ending up on walking street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, FritsSikkink said: You don't know much about them too, got a couple of friends there (1 a police colonel) who do care . You've got police friends? LOL That's your evidence that Pattaya police really care? Maybe you found the two that really do care. Edited March 10, 2017 by tropo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, tropo said: You've got police friends? LOL That's your evidence that Pattaya police really care? Maybe you found the two that really do care. I've got police " contacts"... it costs me... but it's kind of like insurance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, farcanell said: I've got police " contacts"... it costs me... but it's kind of like insurance ? Yep, "contacts" who really do care - about money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 20 minutes ago, tropo said: Yep, "contacts" who really do care - about money. I prefer to call them "incentivized" friends... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tropo Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, farcanell said: I prefer to call them "incentivized" friends... lol It's smart to keep a few of them in your pockets. The only problem is they're open to the highest bidder and could easily turn against you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catman20 Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 9 hours ago, farcanell said: I've got police " contacts"... it costs me... but it's kind of like insurance ? why would you need police contacts?????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 13 hours ago, tropo said: You've got police friends? LOL That's your evidence that Pattaya police really care? Maybe you found the two that really do care. Never said they are from Pattaya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 On 3/9/2017 at 9:45 AM, colinneil said: OP when you are drunk you are still polite and respectful. You are joking, most people when they are drunk cannot even remember who they are, where they are. That reminded me colinneil of the last New Years eve in England before coming out here . 2004/5 it was , 3 pubs in Tamerton Foliet , darts, tarts and old farts . I left old farts ( 7 Stars) about 24.30 ,went through tarts ( Queens Arms ) to see who was there and was told about 3 days later by a barmaid that I was well oiled , walked into the jukebox and apologized to it. I wonder what was playing on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 7 hours ago, catman20 said: why would you need police contacts?????????????????? You never know.... to start out it was to get work clearances... then I maintained the contact as insurance "here's my number, you call me if you have any problems" an example of a problem would be .... four nights ago, someone tried to break into my tenants house... I called one of the guys I know, and he turned up very promptly. no... it didn't help regards apprehending the would be thief... but it made my tenant happy, which in turns, secures that source of income. and no... I don't believe I would have gotten as fast a response, from simply calling the local station (chalong... were the Russian fish feeder was locked up) or tourist police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny1990 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) 19 hours ago, marinediscoking said: It was wrong to punched and I have seen many assaults late on walking street by thai's for little or no reason. Most assaults I have seen are by foreign hooligan types on other tourists who are out alone. Seems idiots come here and after having a few want to be bullies. I think where the op tried to jump the barrier is pictured below, which is a private walkway to walking street that is closed at about 2am after the kiosk vendors go home. You can almost see the entrance down past Marine mansion and it takes you out by family mart. People are trying to jump this all night long and maybe the security just lost it but still no excuse. I would report it to the tourists police as this is not acceptable. They keep out so no one can break into the vendors booths. This actually used to be road i would drive on until they changed it about 15 years ago. If the OP knew he could have easily gone through the bars to the right ending up on walking street. Nice location pics but could u also submit some photos of the punk security guard to make this story complete?Yes i do not mind including some good old fashioned finger pointing.? Edited March 11, 2017 by Destiny1990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurien Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 On 9.3.2017 at 7:12 PM, ksi2 said: Why would i make this up? I can send a copy of the police report if you would like? for chrissake - no police...! why don't you refer to ID #40? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I'm wondering if it was the slippers that annoyed the guard, some things make people angry, like silly hats the over 60s wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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