webfact Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just because you are bald and wear orange doesn't make you a monk... Picture: Thairath CHACHOENGSAO: -- A group of men who rented rooms at a Chachoengsao resort attracted the attention of staff earlier this week. They were bald and wearing orange but did not seem to be all that holy. In fact staff at the resort thought there was something suspicious going on - and so it proved. The group of eight including adults, novices and younger people were going out on alms rounds every morning. Then coming back in the evening laden with food reported Thairath. Police were called and their rooms were raided. They found plenty of evidence - there was a bong for taking amphetamines, playing cards, lao khao (rice spirit) and tins of food and condiments. There was also a donations' collection box. Santi Busabang and Lan Phothi were dressed as monks but were fakes. With them were three younger people dressed as novices and three "dek wat" (temple orphans). Santi told police that they had come from Suphanburi. They would go out each morning to the Miniburi market in their vehicle to get donations in both cash and food. They would then buy amphetamines (Ya Ice) and alcohol and the nightly party would begin. Then they would repeat the operation the next morning. They sold the food they were given to get more booze and drugs. Yesterday they were charged with drug taking, impersonating monks and defrauding the public and detained. Source: Thairath -- © Copyright Thai Visa News Full story: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatawonderfulday Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 So what is the difference between these who got caught and most of the others ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 7 minutes ago, whatawonderfulday said: So what is the difference between these who got caught and most of the others ? These ones went out in their vehicle to get donations, the other ones walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Come on you got to give them a bit of credit. They were only doing the same as so called real monks, i.e. conning people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, whatawonderfulday said: So what is the difference between these who got caught and most of the others ? WAT is the difference between these small scale fraudsters and the large scale frauds and criminal activity going on on a much larger scale at the likes of WAT Dhammachayo - none at all perhaps about 8 or more zeros Edited March 9, 2017 by smedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockman Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 They really should make that, tv series. Monks Behaving Badly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I remember before I came backpacking to Thailand I was told by other backpackers how holy and humble monks in Thailand are. They eat a couple of meals, pray and generally help their local community. Now I'm not speaking for all monks, but I am speaking for a lot of the monks I come across; Most of the monks I've come across have not been warm. They've come across as quite dismissive and not warm and open. I see monks push in front of queues, take others' taxis and get on the bus and simply expect people to move. Not even a thank you or a nod. Why do monks have first dibs on seats? Aren't they supposed to be monks? I don't really see the point in sitting in a temple all day uhming and amming. Go out and help those in need. Even if it's just prayers and thoughts. Monks are revered here. Used as a lucky rabbit foot. Pictures of really old monks hung highly on walls. This is the very opposite of what Buddhism teaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darksidedog Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Seems to me that taking young kids with them to generate money should leave them facing exploitation charges too. Or is impersonating a monk considered a heavier offence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcnx Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 The headline should read: Just because you are Thai and say you are Buddhist doesn't make you Buddhist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laocowboy2 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Give them orange jumpsuits instead (US prison garb). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Quote They would go out each morning to the Miniburi market in their vehicle to get donations in both cash and food. They would then buy amphetamines (Ya Ice) and alcohol and the nightly party would begin. Then they would repeat the operation the next morning. They sold the food they were given to get more booze and drugs. valid business model with sound prospects for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidermike007 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I asked a monk the other day how many hours a day he spent in prayer, meditation and contemplation. He told me straight out he does none of that. He just spends his days playing with the monkeys at the temple, cooking, and doing errands. Wow. Alot of spiritual progress there. He is really someone the Thai people can look up to. What an inspiration to all who meet him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyDunky58 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 When I came to Thailand to stay, one of the great drawcords was Buddhism which I saw as peaceful and somewhat idealistic, and it made me feel safer. After living here now for a mere 5 years, I view anybody in a saffron robe with suspicion, and refuse to go to temples and kneel at the feet of someone similarly garbed. For all I know the person in front of me could have been killing some other poor sap last week and is now in the temple 'making amends'. I read so many stores now about what these guys get up to, I really cannot take them seriously. A friend of mine (a teacher) who's been here a lot longer than me described Thailand as 'The least Buddhist Buddhist country in the world'. The brainwashed masses however still bow and scrape before anybody in orange and happily hand over their hard-earned believing this will somehow benefit them. A plague on this country. An honourable philosophy masking highly dishonourable acts everywhere you turn. So my opinion has turned sharply in just 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgeorgeallen Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 what does make someone a monk? have to wonder really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon4637435435 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Sounds like a bunch of typical thai monks then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon4637435435 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 18 minutes ago, FunkyDunky58 said: When I came to Thailand to stay, one of the great drawcords was Buddhism which I saw as peaceful and somewhat idealistic, and it made me feel safer. After living here now for a mere 5 years, I view anybody in a saffron robe with suspicion, and refuse to go to temples and kneel at the feet of someone similarly garbed. For all I know the person in front of me could have been killing some other poor sap last week and is now in the temple 'making amends'. I read so many stores now about what these guys get up to, I really cannot take them seriously. A friend of mine (a teacher) who's been here a lot longer than me described Thailand as 'The least Buddhist Buddhist country in the world'. The brainwashed masses however still bow and scrape before anybody in orange and happily hand over their hard-earned believing this will somehow benefit them. A plague on this country. An honourable philosophy masking highly dishonourable acts everywhere you turn. So my opinion has turned sharply in just 5 years. Took a while then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelJohn Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 I have followed a "monk" who was walking behind school girls grabbing their bottoms. The girls were so surprised that they didn't believe a monk could possibly be responsible for this. Being a monk is just an excuse for free food, a lazy lifestyle, staring at women and generally behave badly. Thankfully there is a large number of the younger generation that can see past the bald heads and orange robes for what the majority of these people really are. In time, like most religions, they will wither away; it'll just take a bit longer here like everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiSePuede419 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Yeah, but I call hypocrisy... Don't know if the monk bashers here are all Athiestis, but I've been to many different Christian churches and not a single one obeyed Jesus's commandment not to pray in public. (Matthew 6:5) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPI Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Hang on, I resemble that remark! I've got my orange singlet and I'm a little hair challenged, I'm good......really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louse1953 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Sometimes i have a shot at wats spending money on more chedis than helping the poor.with the missus.Today we picked up a couple of middle age monks walking at midday,bloody hot.They climbed in the back of the ute and the missus is straight on me to watch them with our shopping in the back.The lady in the back stared at them.They are more distrustful than me.Poor buggers were walking/hitching to Ubon from Pak Chong,we picked them up in Prasat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wakeupplease Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 1 hour ago, MichaelJohn said: I have followed a "monk" who was walking behind school girls grabbing their bottoms. The girls were so surprised that they didn't believe a monk could possibly be responsible for this. Being a monk is just an excuse for free food, a lazy lifestyle, staring at women and generally behave badly. Thankfully there is a large number of the younger generation that can see past the bald heads and orange robes for what the majority of these people really are. In time, like most religions, they will wither away; it'll just take a bit longer here like everything else. That is why the so called unemployment rate is so low here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogNo1 Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Two Vietnamese monk friends who visited recently called the orange robed ones with poor manners "Fake Monks." The Vietnamese monks whom I know are kind and gentle. There must be Thai monks who are kind and gentle too but I haven't met any of them, not that I particularly want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onemorechang Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Just love the title of this thread. Naughty saffron boys, what ever next !!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieAus Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 On 3/9/2017 at 4:08 PM, FunkyDunky58 said: When I came to Thailand to stay, one of the great drawcords was Buddhism which I saw as peaceful and somewhat idealistic, and it made me feel safer. After living here now for a mere 5 years, I view anybody in a saffron robe with suspicion, and refuse to go to temples and kneel at the feet of someone similarly garbed. For all I know the person in front of me could have been killing some other poor sap last week and is now in the temple 'making amends'. I read so many stores now about what these guys get up to, I really cannot take them seriously. A friend of mine (a teacher) who's been here a lot longer than me described Thailand as 'The least Buddhist Buddhist country in the world'. The brainwashed masses however still bow and scrape before anybody in orange and happily hand over their hard-earned believing this will somehow benefit them. A plague on this country. An honourable philosophy masking highly dishonourable acts everywhere you turn. So my opinion has turned sharply in just 5 years. I feel totally the same and have lived here for about the same length of time I believed that Buddhism was a good religion/ way of life however from what I see I have become totally disillusioned It would appear that for many monks they have found a life style where they do not have to work and are totally provided for including being driven around in their own vehicles provided by the locals Everything is about money and unfortunately many gullible Thais continue to be conned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerojero Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Nor sporting a collar and wearing a cross makes you a man of God. There are as many religious plagues of lies within Christian countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Quote impersonating monks Ridiculous if this is a crime in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcatcher Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Some real monks. At least they look like monks.................? Buddha Issara - political activist Suthep Thaugsuban - political activist Janephob Verraporn - student killer Edited March 12, 2017 by ratcatcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangrak Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1 hour ago, ratcatcher said: Some real monks. At least they look like monks.................? Buddha Issara - political activist Suthep Thaugsuban - political activist Janephob Verraporn - student killer 'ratcatcher': Guess you must have pictures too showing monks in 2010, when not then 2009 and 2011 will do too, like of all the ones, real or fake, who were busy with the 'protection' of violent red thugs' gatherings and so (maybe of an odd one holding a gun), for instance...? Orange to me isn't closer to yellow than it to red... Your 'selection' of pictures is IMO misleading to say the least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyDunky58 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 On 09/03/2017 at 5:17 PM, SiSePuede419 said: Yeah, but I call hypocrisy... Don't know if the monk bashers here are all Athiestis, but I've been to many different Christian churches and not a single one obeyed Jesus's commandment not to pray in public. (Matthew 6:5) ? Ridiculous comment. If I condemn a man for killing his wife, then you call me a hypocrite because someone in my own country killed his wife and his mother in law? Bad is bad - it's absolute. Not relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiCitizen Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 On 09/03/2017 at 9:51 AM, colinneil said: Come on you got to give them a bit of credit. They were only doing the same as so called real monks, i.e. conning people. I suggest you don't criticize real monks - bad things can happen to you. Suggesting 'real' monks con people is absolutely ignorant and repulsive. How very sad to have this narrow-minded, bitter view of life. There are many real monks in Thailand that dedicate their lives to helping others. Why so bitter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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