Jump to content









Republican plan to repeal Obamacare would leave millions uninsured -report


webfact

Recommended Posts

What's all the huff and puff about?  Ahhhh I remember now any negative news aimed against/at Trump.  I am really more concerned about the millions of people who elected to NOT enroll in 'mandatory government insurance'.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Replies 68
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

4 minutes ago, ToS2014 said:

What's all the huff and puff about?  Ahhhh I remember now any negative news aimed against/at Trump.  I am really more concerned about the millions of people who elected to NOT enroll in 'mandatory government insurance'.

Yes, who cares about the people with preexisting conditions who couldn't get health insurance before Obama? Who cares about the working class people who couldn't get health insurance? Who cares that Trump promised these people that he would deliver them better insurance for less and it turns out he lied?  Not you.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, realenglish1 said:

Fake News

Reality here is That the majority of the people they talk about not having Insurance are the ones that have been forced to buy insurance but dont want it

 

It is usually young healthy people that would have been fined by Obama care for not having it Opt out on the new plan with TRUMP CARE

 

Obama care forced you to have insurance or pay a tax for not having it Under Trumps plan there is no penalty so the ones that are young and healthy 

will opt out of it 

 

The governent in a Capitalist country should not be making people buy insurance 

 

They should try and bring down costs witch is exactly what the Trump Plan will do

 

Democrats are painting this as millions will go without insurance because of Trump That is dead wrong Millions will decide not to have insurance because they are not being forced into it which is why the majority hate Obama Care to begin with

 

It was shoved down the throats of the pupulas You cannot do that People will revolt as they have done with the Repeal of Obamacare down the line 

No one, including President Obama, ever said that the ACA was without flaws. The issue here is how will the changes proposed under the Republican replacement plan affect average Americans, in particular Trump's supporters. From what has been reported, fewer people will be insured and the repeal of the payroll taxes will mainly benefit the top 1%. Personally, I favor a single-payer system similar to those in Canada, Great Britain, and France.

 

Edited by Gecko123
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, realenglish1 said:

Fake News

Reality here is That the majority of the people they talk about not having Insurance are the ones that have been forced to buy insurance but dont want it

 

It is usually young healthy people that would have been fined by Obama care for not having it Opt out on the new plan with TRUMP CARE

 

Obama care forced you to have insurance or pay a tax for not having it Under Trumps plan there is no penalty so the ones that are young and healthy 

will opt out of it 

 

The governent in a Capitalist country should not be making people buy insurance 

 

They should try and bring down costs witch is exactly what the Trump Plan will do

 

Democrats are painting this as millions will go without insurance because of Trump That is dead wrong Millions will decide not to have insurance because they are not being forced into it which is why the majority hate Obama Care to begin with

 

It was shoved down the throats of the pupulas You cannot do that People will revolt as they have done with the Repeal of Obamacare down the line 

Possibly the most misguided, ill-informed post on the forum concerning the Affordable Care Act. The Dems have not made up any 'figures' for millions that will lose health care, the CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE has made the predictions based on their scrutiny of the proposed bill.  It is a non-partisan Office providing information to congress on the impacts of proposed bills. As for the rest of your post it is nonsense.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Government Heath care is communism. 

 

Been tried. Does not work

 

Trump was elected to get rid of Obamacare and he's doing what he said he would

 

more power to him

 

I'm trying to figure out how you could be more wrong, but so far I haven't been able to come up with an answer. Anyway, out of the 11 top developed nations in the world, the USA came in 11th.  Dead last.  It did excel in one department: cost. It is the most expensive health care system in the world.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/#586df5c9576f

Edited by ilostmypassword
Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

I'm trying to figure out how you could be more wrong, but so far I haven't been able to come up with an answer. Anyway, out of the 11 top developed nations in the world, the USA came in 11th.  Dead last.  It did excel in one department: cost. It is the most expensive health care system in the world.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/#586df5c9576f

Because Americans chose to spend more on health care. They have the freedom to do so and the money, unlike the Europeans. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Because Americans chose to spend more on health care. They have the freedom to do so and the money, unlike the Europeans. 

No. Better read the article before commenting.

sent using Tapatalk

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Government Heath care is communism. 

 

Been tried. Does not work

 

Trump was elected to get rid of Obamacare and he's doing what he said he would

 

more power to him

 

not true,

he promised to repeal it and replace it with a lower cost option that would cover everyone

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Because Americans chose to spend more on health care. They have the freedom to do so and the money, unlike the Europeans. 

Be careful your post is symptomatic of too much sun and fun in Bangkok.  :wink:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

12 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Government Heath care is communism. 

 

Been tried. Does not work

 

Trump was elected to get rid of Obamacare and he's doing what he said he would

 

more power to him

 

Must be that the American veterans community is infested with communists then, because they utilize the VA Healthcare Administration which is clearly a completely government operated healthcare program.

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 hours ago, Redline said:

Another Cilla - Surprise , Surprise. 

 

Trump is aiming to disenfranchise so many people one wonders what is political aim really is ? Perhaps Putin just wants political instability in the US, with these proposals aimed at alienating millions, and Trump is just doing as he is told.

 

I was responding to this post.  What the political aim really is...what promises has he made, and to who, because his decisions don't make sense.

As a Russian operative his decisions/lack of decisions/ lies all make sense. It's Putin/Bannon's plan. Trump is just along for the money.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Americans seem to have a problem with wanting a universal health care system, that every one would have to pay into, especially the rich, that can afford their own high priced doctors and health care staff.  Fix the present system and rename it, make it possible for all Americans

to have health coverage

Geezer

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, WaywardWind said:

Must be that the American veterans community is infested with communists then, because they utilize the VA Healthcare Administration which is clearly a completely government operated healthcare program.

 

 

They are victims of communism. Read on. 

 

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/3/va-still-plagued-by-problems-two-years-after-scand/

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Here's a 2015 Gallup Poll rating customer satisfaction with the various systems of healthcare delivery in the USA. You know which system comes out on top? The VA. And you know who comes in second and third?  Medicare and Medicaid.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx

Go Communism!!!

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

plans to 'privatize' VA

27 minutes ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

 

Poll: Veterans oppose plans to 'privatize' VA

In a recent survey of America’s 22 million veterans conducted by global research firm GfK for the DAV (Disabled American Veterans), 87 percent of veterans said the federal government should provide a health system dedicated to the needs of ill and injured veterans. The same message came from veterans surveyed by the well-respected and bipartisan survey team of Lake Research and Chesapeake Beach Consulting. Their survey found that regardless of political party, branch of service or geography, America’s veterans strongly oppose privatizing VA health care.

https://militaryadvantage.military.com/2016/04/veterans-do-not-want-the-va-privatized/

Link to comment
Share on other sites

There are no perfect health care systems.   Health care is a process, new diseases emerge, and some are a major risk to everyone.    Demographics change and so they will always be in need of tweeking and changing.   Throwing out the ACA is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.   

Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:

Here's a 2015 Gallup Poll rating customer satisfaction with the various systems of healthcare delivery in the USA. You know which system comes out on top? The VA. And you know who comes in second and third?  Medicare and Medicaid.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx

Go Communism!!!

 

If it's so great, why not let their "customers" choose to use them rather than being forced to do so?

 

scared of choice?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Credo said:

There are no perfect health care systems.   Health care is a process, new diseases emerge, and some are a major risk to everyone.    Demographics change and so they will always be in need of tweeking and changing.   Throwing out the ACA is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.   

No choice- baby had $8000 deductible 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

If it's so great, why not let their "customers" choose to use them rather than being forced to do so?

 

scared of choice?

No one is forcing Americans to use the VA, medicaid, or medicare. They have always been free to buy their own private health insurance. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Veterans are victims of communism? From someone who likely has never been inside a VA facility, that's pretty rich.

 

When you earn the right to use the VA system, and actually do so, then come on back and we'll talk. Until then, you are simply bloviating, a common trait amongst the ignorant.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

If it's so great, why not let their "customers" choose to use them rather than being forced to do so?

 

scared of choice?

With insurance, especially health insurance (anti) selection is a major issue.  Those who think they won't need it don't want to pay for it, those who think they will need it are willing to pay. Therefore a compulsory plan is the only option.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes, and the cleanest compulsory plan is universal single payer. Yes it's a socialist model just as road building is a socialist model. Many people don't have kids yet don't complain about paying for schools for all economic levels of people. It's in the public interest for there to be basic things that people don't have to worry about. In civilized nations, if you get sick or are in a bad accident, you worry about surviving it. In the USA, it's much more common for the biggest worry to be about finances. The USA should be better than that. But it isn't. 

The ACA was a flawed step in the right direction. trumpcare goes backwards. It's shamefully immoral. Look at the impact on older low income people under 65 with the measly tax credits which replace income based ACA subsidies. Increases under trumpcare as high as 750 percent. They simply won't be able to afford it and if they spend down to nothing, then the fascist trump program intends to massively cut Medicaid. It's basically murder. 

 

People from civilized nations that have national health care programs, yes, it's true, you should feel sorry for Americans and grateful you live in more advanced nations.

Edited by Jingthing
Link to comment
Share on other sites

21 hours ago, realenglish1 said:

Fake News

Reality here is That the majority of the people they talk about not having Insurance are the ones that have been forced to buy insurance but dont want it

 

It is usually young healthy people that would have been fined by Obama care for not having it Opt out on the new plan with TRUMP CARE

 

Obama care forced you to have insurance or pay a tax for not having it Under Trumps plan there is no penalty so the ones that are young and healthy 

will opt out of it 

 

The governent in a Capitalist country should not be making people buy insurance 

 

They should try and bring down costs witch is exactly what the Trump Plan will do

 

Democrats are painting this as millions will go without insurance because of Trump That is dead wrong Millions will decide not to have insurance because they are not being forced into it which is why the majority hate Obama Care to begin with

 

It was shoved down the throats of the pupulas You cannot do that People will revolt as they have done with the Repeal of Obamacare down the line 

Because they can't afford it silly boy

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, and the cleanest compulsory plan is universal single payer. Yes it's a socialist model just as road building is a socialist model. Many people don't have kids yet don't complain about paying for schools for all economic levels of people. It's in the public interest for there to be basic things that people don't have to worry about. In civilized nations, if you get sick or are in a bad accident, you worry about surviving it. In the USA, it's much more common for the biggest worry to be about finances. The USA should be better than that. But it isn't. 

The ACA was a flawed step in the right direction. trumpcare goes backwards. It's shamefully immoral. Look at the impact on older low income people under 65 with the measly tax credits which replace income based ACA subsidies. Increases under trumpcare as high as 750 percent. They simply won't be able to afford it and if they spend down to nothing, then the fascist trump program intends to massively cut Medicaid. It's basically murder. 

 

People from civilized nations that have national health care programs, yes, it's true, you should feel sorry for Americans and grateful you live in more advanced nations.

Americans have chosen time and again to not allow government to treat them unfairly. 

 

From the time they booted out the British to dumping Obamacare, they have always chosen freedom over control. 

 

Has as worked out pretty well up to now. 

Edited by funandsuninbangkok
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, funandsuninbangkok said:

Americans have chosen time and again to not allow government to treat them unfairly. 

 

From the time they booted out the British to dumping Obamacare, they have always chosen freedom over control. 

 

Has as worked out pretty well up to now. 

My country stuck with the Brits and today has universal health care for its people as a right. It was the super rich domestic terrorists (Washington) that started the tax avoidance nonsense against the crown that cost common folk like my family, after 150 years of residency, to lose their property. Today it is a billionaire cabinet that is  deciding for huge tax reductions for themselves over affordable health insurance for 24m . Boggles the mind! 

Edited by pegman
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On March 14, 2017 at 6:06 AM, realenglish1 said:

Fake News

Reality here is That the majority of the people they talk about not having Insurance are the ones that have been forced to buy insurance but dont want it

 

It is usually young healthy people that would have been fined by Obama care for not having it Opt out on the new plan with TRUMP CARE

 

Obama care forced you to have insurance or pay a tax for not having it Under Trumps plan there is no penalty so the ones that are young and healthy 

will opt out of it 

 

The governent in a Capitalist country should not be making people buy insurance 

 

 

It was shoved down the throats of the pupulas You cannot do that People will revolt as they have done with the Repeal of Obamacare down the line 

Auto insurance. Should be compulsory or not in your so called capitalist country?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...