Chinese submarine proposal fails to surface at Cabinet

[Stevemercer]

From a military perspective, there is a good case to argue that Thailand needs submarines. Not so much for offense, or even defence, but for training in anti-submarine warfare. The Thai military needs to be able to protect the Gulf of Thailand. They need to be proficient in detecting and neutralising subs. They only way to do this is to have your own submarines for practice. You can't use someone elses submarines (kind of defeats the purpose) and you can't rely just on simulators. You must practice with the real thing.

 

The other reason is to be prepared, in case of a real threat down the track, to be able to more quickly expand their submarine force if necessary. Without operational subs and trained personnel, Thailand would be starting from scratch. They need to maintain a core capability that can be expanded.

[Rhys]

3 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

Could you possibly translate your last 2 posts as I have absolutely no idea what on earth you are gibbering about. 

  he be sayin it be a thang low dowd,,

 

[sawadeeken]

46 minutes ago, Stevemercer said:

From a military perspective, there is a good case to argue that Thailand needs submarines. Not so much for offense, or even defence, but for training in anti-submarine warfare. The Thai military needs to be able to protect the Gulf of Thailand. They need to be proficient in detecting and neutralising subs. They only way to do this is to have your own submarines for practice. You can't use someone elses submarines (kind of defeats the purpose) and you can't rely just on simulators. You must practice with the real thing.

 

The other reason is to be prepared, in case of a real threat down the track, to be able to more quickly expand their submarine force if necessary. Without operational subs and trained personnel, Thailand would be starting from scratch. They need to maintain a core capability that can be expanded.

Do you really think the Burmese are coming again?........ Money much better spent on educating their 'poor'.

[Enoon]

9 hours ago, lonewolf99 said:

I think the aircraft carrier was for Harrier Jump jets - now all obsolete and one is used for decoration at the Thai Navy Golf Course.

The only aircraft that could land on the carrier now  would be a helicopter or two.

 

The thought of a Somchai on a sub with the - "what does this valve/button do?" mentality beggars belief......

 

Sub marines should be pretty much obsolete soon as well - as they are now making underwater Drones - all future wars for the big boys (i.e. people who don't run around in rags or flip flops) 

will be done from an armchair with a joy stick .....

 

"The only aircraft that could land on the carrier now would be a helicopter or two."

 

The F-35B could certainly land on the Chakri Naruebert, and with a minimum take off distance of 400' take off as well (flight deck of Chakri is 571') although 171' is rather a narrow margin and might mean a considerably reduced fuel/weapons payload.

 

But then its flight deck has a "ski-jump" configuration, so perhaps not such a great payload reduction........

 

.............and they are only $122.8 million each.

 

F-35B in vertical landing mode:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2017 by Enoon

[surangw]

first question on the application to serve on a thai sub,  how long can you tread water?

[Reigntax]

18 hours ago, fruitman said:

They can't buy used submarines, no 300 new firetrucks, had payment issues with siemens about the skytrains, the skytrain to don mueang airport never was finished, narawin road also has hundreds of concrete columns built, the 500 new buses are still not delivered, near impact mueang thong thanii are 10 unfinished skyscrapers, a scandal with Rolls Royce is going on, the ghost-tower in Sathorn was never finished.

 

Well let's see how this deal with the chinese turns out, it's time for a new chapter.

We know what will go down and never resurface. It wont be the deal!

[fruitman]

4 hours ago, Reigntax said:

We know what will go down and never resurface. It wont be the deal!

It will have a white rope from the blessenings so they can always find it back.

[pegman]

On March 28, 2017 at 4:37 PM, webfact said:

Chinese submarine proposal fails to surface at Cabinet
By Wasamon Audjarint 
The Nation

 

 

BANGKOK: -- Despite speculation, a proposal on the multi-billion purchase of Chinese submarines was not delivered to the Cabinet yesterday.

 

Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister Gen. Wongsuwan had said that the submarine purchase would definitely be put in front of the Cabinet, though there was no timeline given. 

 

It was speculated that proposal might have been made yesterday as the Budget Bureau required all governmental agencies to make a budget proposal no more than a billion baht by this month. The submarine's first installment is expected to cost Bt800 million. 

 

The total purchase would cost Bt36 billion for three Yuan Class S26 T submarines. The vessels each costs Bt1.8 billion but Thailand has been granted a "buy two get three" deal from China, with a weapons system and after-sales services. 

 

Prime Minister Gen Prayut Chan-o-cha yesterday said that the Bt36-billion deal is a "friendly price". 

 

"This is a long-term plan and I will proceed accordingly," the prime minister said. 

 

The deal for the used submarines has been pursued for some time. Two attempts have been made to buy vessels in the past. In 1995 Thailand pursued a Swedish Gotland submarine and in 2011 it sought a German 206A-class vessel. Both deals failed. 

 

The current junta revitalized the submarine plan, taking deals from six countries into consideration, and eventually chose China, which promised that services such as equipment, training and port building would be provided together with the purchase. 

 

Earlier this month, Prawit brought military chiefs to see submarine maintenance center, set up for future submarines, in the Naval Dockyard Department in Chonburi. 

 

The visit brought public attention that updates on the proposal for the giant vessels might come soon. 

 

However, Prawit said yesterday that the submarine issue still lingered at his ministry.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30310595

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2017-03-29

So 3 for 2. ฿1.8b each and therefore ฿36b for the 3? Does anyone proof read these articles? Therefore they will pay $347m per while the Yanks are purchasing new ones for $1.7 each. I know which one I want to be in in a confrontation. Canada bought a bunch of used subs from the Brits, bloody deathtraps. Kept catching fire.