Trump's funding request for U.S. borderwall hits snag among some Republicans

[mrwebb8825]

On 3/30/2017 at 9:45 AM, Jingthing said:

trump seems determined to push it at least. If he fails (which he will), he can blame everyone else. He actually seems to think he's going to make it four years and get reelected! The scary part is that he might.

iirc, you're 1 of those that claimed there was no way he'd ever win the election. Better hold your sack until after the 2018 vote where many who are stopping him from fulfilling his promises to the american people are up for re-election. 1st twitter shot fired already that they need to change their tune or face opposition in their own campaigns.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

iirc, you're 1 of those that claimed there was no way he'd ever win the election. Better hold your sack until after the 2018 vote where many who are stopping him from fulfilling his promises to the american people are up for re-election. 1st twitter shot fired already that they need to change their tune or face opposition in their own campaigns.

You're tripping, dude. He has a 36 percent approval rating. The lowest ever at this stage of a presidency in history. He has almost no credibility. He lies most everyday, multiple times. He can bully, but but from him it's got no juice anymore. 

You can imagine amazing scenarios where he gets it together. I don't see any ... except for a large terrorist attack. So I reckon for hard core trumpists that would be the only hope. Sad.

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[mduras01]

Who do you reckon will be president in 6 months? I mean, after the Russian probe and Flyn's immunity plea and all.


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[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, mduras01 said:

Who do you reckon will be president in 6 months? I mean, after the Russian probe and Flyn's immunity plea and all.


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I'm afraid it will still be trump. If trump is impeached or forced to resign, the president would be Pence unless Pence is implicated in treasonous crimes as well, etc. 

[klikster]

Part of what gets me about that stupid wall plan is the funding. Robbing important security programs to pay for campaign promise .. that I would bet will provide far less security than the programs he is gutting.

 

"The Trump administration, searching for money to build the president’s planned multibillion-dollar border wall and crack down on illegal immigration, is weighing significant cuts to the Coast Guard, the Transportation Security Administration and other agencies focused on national security threats, according to a draft plan."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/to-fund-border-wall-trump-administration-weighs-cuts-to-coast-guard-airport-security/2017/03/07/ba4a8e5c-036f-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.7f3cabf3e34e

 

[boomerangutang]

5 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

iirc, you're 1 of those that claimed there was no way he'd ever win the election. Better hold your sack until after the 2018 vote where many who are stopping him from fulfilling his promises to the american people are up for re-election. 1st twitter shot fired already that they need to change their tune or face opposition in their own campaigns.

".......many who are stopping him from fulfilling his promises to the american people...."

 

allow me to re-phrase that to reflect reality.....

 

".......many who are stopping him from further shafting the american people, and trashing environmental gains of the past 50 years."

 

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

You're tripping, dude. He has a 36 percent approval rating. The lowest ever at this stage of a presidency in history. He has almost no credibility. He lies most everyday, multiple times. He can bully, but but from him it's got no juice anymore. 

You can imagine amazing scenarios where he gets it together. I don't see any ... except for a large terrorist attack. So I reckon for hard core trumpists that would be the only hope. Sad.

.....or a war, or destroying a big building, similar to how Hitler gained popularity by orchestrating the burning down of Berlin's Reichstad, early in his political career.   Whenever major calamity strikes, American sheeple rally around their prez.

 

5 hours ago, mduras01 said:

Who do you reckon will be president in 6 months? I mean, after the Russian probe and Flyn's immunity plea and all.

           I predict it will be Ryan.  Trump is halfway out the door - even Reps are tearing into him.  When Pence is exposed as the liar he is, he too will be out on his butt.  I don't like Ryan, but he's better than those others.  It's like saying a staff infection in the groin is better than smallpox.

[boomerangutang]

Right after Trump (and also Pence?) are forced out, Pence or Ryan would pull a 'Gerald Ford', and pardon all law-breaking by Trump and his treasonous buddies.

 

Addendum to my prior post above....    I don't think the shit will hit the fan fully within 6 months.  Trump and Bannon can stretch out a cover-up for over a year.  They're already successfully scuttling any effectiveness the House Int'l Committee may have had.  So, regarding when Trumpsters will get kicked out the back door; .....it's only the time-line that I don't agree with.  The other stuff I mentioned, I stand behind.   

[JAG]

                   The wall symbolizes widespread fear among Trump voters.   Fear of many things.   Fear of losing jobs, fear of Mexicans, fear of a Muslim fanatic killing their families, etc, ad nauseum.   When Gingrich addressed the Republican convention last summer, he shouted, "YOU MUST FEAR THAT WOMAN.....!"    Fear fear fear - that's Republicans' basic instinct.  Trump feeding their fears garnered a lot of votes.  It worked so well, that we can expect creating fear to be a foundation of upcoming Republican campaigns.
 
                  It's also fear (among other things) that drives most Trump fans to buy so many guns.  Fear of the unknown, and paranoia.  
 
 

We should jolly well be afraid of a politician as humourless (humorless) as Mr Gingrich. Especially one whose first name is "Newt"!

[boomerangutang]

5 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

iirc, you're 1 of those that claimed there was no way he'd ever win the election. Better hold your sack until after the 2018 vote where many who are stopping him from fulfilling his promises to the american people are up for re-election. 1st twitter shot fired already that they need to change their tune or face opposition in their own campaigns.

                      If you follow the news, it's clear which political party is getting yelled at and shown red cards, each time one of their group shows his/her face in their hometown hall.  It's all Republicans.  Dems aren't getting any blow-back.  That's why Republicans voted against Trump/Bannon's flawed health bill.  It wasn't because it was a flawed bill, it was because their hometown constituents were going nutzoid, and the didn't want to get yelled at in public.   Same will happen with the awful budget proposed by Republicans, which rewards the rich and military contractors, while decimating arts and programs for kids and elders.

 

                   2018 should show big gains for Dems.  If not, then Americans are more easily-duped dummies than imaginable.  

[JAG]

Bernie Sanders is more than qualified to become President and he has great ideas on how to solve America's problems such as

1.  Instead of wasting billions on a useless border wall Bernie would endorse a real Immigration bill that would provide steps for legalization of the 11 million illegals in the US and also provide a workers Visa to allow foreign labor into the US. Do this and there is a low incidence of illegals crossing any longer

2.  Bernie would propose a single payer solution to healthcare- everyone is covered by Medicare. It eliminates greedy insurance  companies and forces Big Pharma to lower their prices or the US buys from abroad.

3.  Bernie would negotiate new foreign trade deals that are more fair to America and place tariffs or excise taxes on goods that do not fall under agreements. actually, he and Trump have similar plans.

4.  Bernie would cut the over bloated US defense budget and use the savings to fund a large infrastructure project to rebuild America creating hundreds of thousands of jobs.

5.  Bernie would completely change the way election campaigns are funded getting money out of the campaign process so other candidates may have a chance to run for office other than the rich.

6.  Bernie would provide college students with free tuition rather than make them repay the US treasury for expensive loans provided through the corrupt and greedy American Banking industry.

7.  Bernie would put through real tax reform going after the wealthy so they pay their fair share and reform the outdated tax system which is so complex the average person has no understanding of it.

These are the things that will make America great again not the smoke and mirrors crap that Trump and his incompetent administration are trying to sell. Unfortunately, Bernie Sanders is not President so none of the things he espouses are going to happen.

 

And the political establishment would collectively wet themselves if there was the remotest chance of Mr Sanders or anyone of his persuasion getting near the White House.

 

Incidentally, none of those policies sound remotely "socialist", speaking as someone who has lived under several socialist governments.

 

[stevenl]

And the political establishment would collectively wet themselves if there was the remotest chance of Mr Sanders or anyone of his persuasion getting near the White House.
 
Incidentally, none of those policies sound remotely "socialist", speaking as someone who has lived under several socialist governments.
 

I think numbers 2, 4, 5, 6 and 7 could be considered socialist.

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[Redline]

Try Kickstarter, tax the Trumpsters to pay for it, Let the Mexicans build it with little hidden gates built in (for a reduced price)...or just forget the whole thing, like this presidency will be forgotten.  In the history books it will just say (number 45~look it up on your own)

[JAG]

I think numbers 2, 4, 5, 6 and 7 could be considered socialist.

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Do you think so?
I think they are eminently sensible, would benefit the vast majority of the population, yet would in no way obstruct free enterprise or sensible capitalist principles.
Of course they may prevent a very small, very wealthy cabal becoming even wealthier at the expense of the vast majority of the population. If that fits your definition of socialism then yes they're socialist. Most people would probably describe them as fair...

[Andaman Al]

4 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

Right after Trump (and also Pence?) are forced out, Pence or Ryan would pull a 'Gerald Ford', and pardon all law-breaking by Trump and his treasonous buddies.

I am not sure in this case. It will cause so much trouble that anybody brought in by whatever constitutional process as President would be committing suicide if they pardoned the guilty of treason etc. They would be seen as being complicit. I think a real politician is heartless enough to let anyone rot in prison if it secures their own personal political future. And Trump as a businessman would certainly let people rot in jail if it added to his bank balance.

[Scott]

I believe this is drifting off-topic, which isn't a big problem, provided posters keep it reasonably civil.   It is a good idea to link your comments to the OP.   I wonder if Pence or Ryan would push for a wall?

 

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, JAG said:

Do you think so?
I think they are eminently sensible, would benefit the vast majority of the population, yet would in no way obstruct free enterprise or sensible capitalist principles.
Of course they may prevent a very small, very wealthy cabal becoming even wealthier at the expense of the vast majority of the population. If that fits your definition of socialism then yes they're socialist. Most people would probably describe them as fair...
 

Agree they are fair :).

 

And socialism does in no way obstruct free enterprise or sensible capitalist principles :)

[mrwebb8825]

The easiest way to pay for the wall is already being handled by the DoJ. When he cuts federal money to sanctuary cities for Direct Violation of Federal Law (which is why they get federal money) there will be enough to build the wall 10x over.

[craigt3365]

59 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

The easiest way to pay for the wall is already being handled by the DoJ. When he cuts federal money to sanctuary cities for Direct Violation of Federal Law (which is why they get federal money) there will be enough to build the wall 10x over.

You need to spend some time researching his budget.  His proposed increase in military spending will more than take up any money gotten from small things like this.

 

So no, DoJ is not offering an easy way to pay for the wall.  It will never get past congress.  Just like many of his other failed initiatives.

[mrwebb8825]

Just now, craigt3365 said:

You need to spend some time researching his budget.  His proposed increase in military spending will more than take up any money gotten from small things like this.

 

So no, DoJ is not offering an easy way to pay for the wall.  It will never get past congress.  Just like many of his other failed initiatives.

Why do you rewrite my words so you can say silly stuff? I never said the DoJ "Offered" anything. I said they were in the process of freeing up more than enough money to cover the cost. At well over $100 billion in cut federal aid. Also, IF you did the research, you'd see that the cost of the wall is incorporated in the military budget increase as it covers the military and homeland security.

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[jerojero]

Of course Mexico will not pay for it. US building it and it's in USA! As if Trump can bully another country into paying anything. And millions of US voters believed his bs! And if Trump imposes import taxes on Mexican goods coming into USA, it's the American consumers that will pay higher prices for those goods!. So ultimately it will be American people paying for the wall.

 

 

[ilostmypassword]

2 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

The easiest way to pay for the wall is already being handled by the DoJ. When he cuts federal money to sanctuary cities for Direct Violation of Federal Law (which is why they get federal money) there will be enough to build the wall 10x over.

Except, of course, sanctuary cities aren't violating Federal law. They are only obliged to detain citizens for ICE when presented with a warrant.  This isn't about that.

[craigt3365]

6 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

Why do you rewrite my words so you can say silly stuff? I never said the DoJ "Offered" anything. I said they were in the process of freeing up more than enough money to cover the cost. At well over $100 billion in cut federal aid. Also, IF you did the research, you'd see that the cost of the wall is incorporated in the military budget increase as it covers the military and homeland security.

I am replying to your silly words:

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The easiest way to pay for the wall is already being handled by the DoJ.

DoJ never does anything the easy way. LOL  Plus, doesn't look like the wall will get funded.  Who knows, but so far, DoJ has few wins like this.

 

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/28/senate-budget-republicans-think-funding-trumps-wall-is-unlikely/

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A top Republican budget senator is doubtful that funding for President Donald Trump’s border wall will be included in the budget package this year.

 

Missouri Republican Sen. Roy Blunt announced that the Senate Committee on Appropriations will probably not consider Trump’s supplemental budget request, which includes funding to build the wall along the Mexican border, until the next fiscal year.

 

 

[Andaman Al]

5 hours ago, mrwebb8825 said:

Why do you rewrite my words so you can say silly stuff? I never said the DoJ "Offered" anything. I said they were in the process of freeing up more than enough money to cover the cost. At well over $100 billion in cut federal aid. Also, IF you did the research, you'd see that the cost of the wall is incorporated in the military budget increase as it covers the military and homeland security.

Well that should help make America Great again by taking 100 Billion away from it's major cities. What a great idea, I wonder why nobody else thought of that, why America will positively thrive, lets take 100 Billion away from cities that will then have to drop all other infrastructure and life improvement projects and put the money into building a wall to stop the low cost labour force that is the very engine behind the US economy - makes total sense!     Yes it makes total sense if you are Bannon whose self confessed main goal is to see the total destruction of the establishment and Government.

[Fulwell53]

On 03/30/2017 at 8:30 AM, darksidedog said:

I am starting to wonder if this administration is actually going to be able to pass ANY legislation whatsoever.

Pretty much everything they have tried so far has fallen flat on its face.

Hardly surprising...the inmates have taken over the asylum.

Reduce corporate tax from 35 to 15%

GO begging for a wall or fence that wont change a thing cost 21.6bn.

Get rid of obamacare and put healthcare out of reach of a FURTHER 20m americans.

Canadians will need to build a wall methinks

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 3/30/2017 at 1:49 PM, thailand49 said:

Sorry, although I didn't vote for him but he is my President.  I would vote no too, he promised Mexico will pay more than a dozen times so he's got to own up to it. The picture shown I would second thing about the design being used,  from what I've seen on the boarder this isn't going to slow them down much.

You are right, that fence wouldn't stop much unless there are enough border guards to enforce it. The question is whether enough guards will be employed.

 

It's worth noting that some GOP members are probably reluctant to build a real wall as rich people benefit from having an illegal workforce to exploit.

[Berkshire]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are right, that fence wouldn't stop much unless there are enough border guards to enforce it. The question is whether enough guards will be employed.

 

It's worth noting that some GOP members are probably reluctant to build a real wall as rich people benefit from having an illegal workforce to exploit.

That's not the reason.  Most people don't believe a wall will do much of anything to prevent illegal crossings.  The spineless GOP will vote with the political wind.  And since Trump's approval ratings are in the tank, they don't feel a need to support anything he proposes...unless they themselves support it. 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

That's not the reason.  Most people don't believe a wall will do much of anything to prevent illegal crossings.  The spineless GOP will vote with the political wind.  And since Trump's approval ratings are in the tank, they don't feel a need to support anything he proposes...unless they themselves support it. 

That may be true, but wait till the members that oppose Trump want to get some pork they added to a bill, and he may get some satisfaction by vetoing it.

[ilostmypassword]

38 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That may be true, but wait till the members that oppose Trump want to get some pork they added to a bill, and he may get some satisfaction by vetoing it.

Yeah, that's what Trump wants. For the sake of spiting a member or members of Congress he'll veto a bill. That will certainly add to his record on non-accomplishment.

[pegman]

On April 26, 2017 at 10:28 PM, Fulwell53 said:

Hardly surprising...the inmates have taken over the asylum.

Reduce corporate tax from 35 to 15%

GO begging for a wall or fence that wont change a thing cost 21.6bn.

Get rid of obamacare and put healthcare out of reach of a FURTHER 20m americans.

Canadians will need to build a wall methinks

 

No problemo, as long as the yanks pay for it! The 150% export tax we will be applying to the softwood lumber they need to build housing will help contribute to it.

[Andaman Al]

3 hours ago, pegman said:

No problemo, as long as the yanks pay for it! The 150% export tax we will be applying to the softwood lumber they need to build housing will help contribute to it.

And then the 2.6 Billion USD worth of corn that Mexico buy annually from the US which they will then buy from Brazil and Argentina will balance that one out. But the US agricultural system will be on its knees by then anyway as you will have nobody to work the fields. When you do get someone from the US out of bed to pick oranges then when you are paying triple the cost lets see how much you like the wall then. And remember your Father or grandfathers father etc were immigrants - with no or little immigration procedure. Just pitch up on a boat.

 

What the US and Mexico needs is something similar to the schengen visa.