webfact Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 CIA chief calls WikiLeaks a 'hostile intelligence service' By Warren Strobel and Mark Hosenball REUTERS Mike Pompeo waits to be sworn in as director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in U.S. Vice President Mike Pence's ceremonial office in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building at the White House in Washington, U.S. January 23, 2017. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst WASHINGTON (Reuters) - CIA Director Mike Pompeo on Thursday called WikiLeaks a "hostile intelligence service," using his first public speech as spy agency chief to denounce leakers who have plagued U.S. intelligence. Pompeo, in an address at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank, called WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange "a fraud" and "a coward." "It is time to call out WikiLeaks for what it really is, a non-state hostile intelligence service often abetted by state actors like Russia," Pompeo said. He said Russia's GRU military intelligence service used Wikileaks to distribute material hacked from Democratic National Committee computers during the 2016 U.S. presidential election. U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia stole the emails and took other actions to tilt the election in favour of eventual winner Donald Trump, a Republican, against Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. Pompeo and President Donald Trump, who chose him to head the CIA, have not always been so critical of WikiLeaks. During a campaign rally last October, Trump praised the group for releasing hacked emails from the DNC by saying, "I love WikiLeaks." In July, Pompeo, than a Republican member of the House of Representatives, mentioned it in a Twitter post referring to claims that the DNC had slanted the candidate-selection process to favour Clinton. "Need further proof that the fix was in from Pres. Obama on down? BUSTED: 19,252 Emails from DNC Leaked by Wikileaks." WikiLeaks has published secret documents from the U.S. government and others and says its mission is to fight government secrecy and promote transparency. Pompeo said it has "encouraged its followers to find jobs at CIA in order to obtain intelligence." Assange has been holed up in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London since 2012, after taking refuge there to avoid extradition to Sweden over allegations of rape, which he denies. Two of Assange's lawyers and a Wikileaks spokesman did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Pompeo's remarks. Pompeo's speech on Thursday follows a series of damaging leaks of highly sensitive CIA and National Security Agency material. In March, WikiLeaks published thousands of pages of internal CIA discussions that revealed hacking techniques the agency had used against iPhones, Android devices and other targets. Pompeo also had harsh words for Edward Snowden, the former National Security Administration contractor who downloaded thousands of documents revealing some of the electronic eavesdropping agency's most sensitive programs and shared them with journalists. "More than a thousand foreign targets, people, groups, organizations, more than a thousand of them changed or tried to change how they communicated as a result of the Snowden disclosures," Pompeo said. "That number is staggering." U.S. intelligence agencies have struggled to deal with "insider threats" - their own employees or contractors who steal classified materials and, in some cases, publicize them. In response to a question, Pompeo disputed Russia's account of a chemical weapons attack in Syria that prompted retaliatory cruise missile strikes by Trump last week. Moscow has said that Syrian rebels, rather than the Syrian government, were responsible. "None of the (accounts) have an ounce of truth in them," Pompeo said, calling Russian President Vladimir Putin "a man for whom veracity doesn't translate into English." (Additional reporting by Eric Walsh; Editing by Eric Beech and Bill Trott) -- © Copyright Reuters 2017-04-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, webfact said: CIA chief calls WikiLeaks a 'hostile intelligence service' while the CIA is of course a benign intelligence service. Now that this is cleared up, all that's left to evaluate is: which is the more competent one, if all things (budget, man power, technology) were equal... Edited April 14, 2017 by klauskunkel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 45 minutes ago, klauskunkel said: while the CIA is of course a benign intelligence service. Now that this is cleared up, all that's left to evaluate is: which is the more competent one, if all things (budget, man power, technology) were equal... No arguments, but WikiLeaks is a hostile intelligence service. Just ask the millions of Turkish women who had their private medical records put online. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Hostile intelligence Service, I suppose they call that to everyone who puts the truth out there.when you have so many dirty secrets to hide. regards worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, worgeordie said: Hostile intelligence Service, I suppose they call that to everyone who puts the truth out there.when you have so many dirty secrets to hide. regards worgeordie Name one government that doesn't have dirty secrets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigntax Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 26 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: Name one government that doesn't have dirty secrets. That's exactly why its needed. Unless governments should be allowed to operate outside the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Has wiki gone after Putin and his ruling mafia? Why not? hmmm...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 32 minutes ago, Reigntax said: That's exactly why its needed. Unless governments should be allowed to operate outside the law? No argument. But releasing classified info that isn't breaking the law isn't right. Wiki doesn't vet the info. Just releases masses of data. Which is also against the law. Since it is illegal to do so, shouldn't Wiki be pursued legally? What's fair is fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 For me, wikileaks are heroes, same as Ed Snowdon. They expose the outright lies and illegalities that governments do. If we had listened to Ed Snowden the world would be a better place with an intelligence service instead of a propaganda service. The CIA has brought more evil into the world and though its false flag and covert ops has caused more wars leading to more deaths than Hitler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 1 hour ago, craigt3365 said: Name one government that doesn't have dirty secrets. Its just some have more than others, regards Worgeordie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, worgeordie said: Its just some have more than others, regards Worgeordie Agreed. Can you just imagine the dirty secrets Russia and China have? Would love to see those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, retarius said: For me, wikileaks are heroes, same as Ed Snowdon. They expose the outright lies and illegalities that governments do. If we had listened to Ed Snowden the world would be a better place with an intelligence service instead of a propaganda service. The CIA has brought more evil into the world and though its false flag and covert ops has caused more wars leading to more deaths than Hitler. To make this fair, all governments need to be exposed by Wiki. Sadly, Assange just goes after the US. Why not Russia? China? North Korea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuktuktuk Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: To make this fair, all governments need to be exposed by Wiki. Sadly, Assange just goes after the US. Why not Russia? China? North Korea? I'll bet the answer has something to do with money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigntax Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: No argument. But releasing classified info that isn't breaking the law isn't right. Wiki doesn't vet the info. Just releases masses of data. Which is also against the law. Since it is illegal to do so, shouldn't Wiki be pursued legally? What's fair is fair. Releasing information is not against the law unless subject to supression laws from the country of origin. Those who provide confidential information to Wiki may be committing a crime based on the confidentiality requirement of employment but the receivers are not bound by the same law unless operating in the same country where the law exists. Agree. Some information does not need to be known by the general public, some may be sensitive and embarrassing. Most is just garbage but inbetween there are examples of government agencies clearly operating outside a country's laws and in such cases, the public have the right to know what their governments are doing. I suspect that whistleblower protection in countries where it exist are restricted by the same laws and Wiki would be used as a last resort due to lack of any action. In any case I believe Wiki has benefit even if the potential threat of eventually being exposed may rein in some of the rogue operations. Edited April 14, 2017 by Reigntax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Reigntax said: Releasing information is not against the law unless subject to supression laws from the country of origin. Ummm...didn't somebody go to jail for releasing this info? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigntax Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 14 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: Ummm...didn't somebody go to jail for releasing this info? LOL He was an employee, had access to confidential information, breached his employment conditions and released it to Wiki in the country of origin. I believe that was the situation anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 1 hour ago, craigt3365 said: To make this fair, all governments need to be exposed by Wiki. Sadly, Assange just goes after the US. Why not Russia? China? North Korea? Why not Russia & co? Well, the aims of these countries are fairly well known, so it would be difficult for them to take the West by surprise. Whereas, the USA, protector of "democracy" and upholder of "human rights" will swing this way this week, that way next week, AND will propagandise their citizenry into believing that America is some frail maiden aunt who has no protection against those giant fleas out there. Can anyone for one moment imagine a NK small-penis missile being launched without the US shooting it down the moment it leaves the silo.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Trump loves anyone/anything that praises him (wikileaks, Putin, whatever) ........but hates anyone/any entity which doesn't lavish praise upon him (Wash.Post, NY Times, the Pope, Mexicans, Assad, liberated women). That's the mentality of a little bully kid. For any of my children, I'd hope they mature beyond Trump's level by about age 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomerangutang Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 1 hour ago, retarius said: For me, wikileaks are heroes, same as Ed Snowdon. They expose the outright lies and illegalities that governments do. If we had listened to Ed Snowden the world would be a better place with an intelligence service instead of a propaganda service. The CIA has brought more evil into the world and though its false flag and covert ops has caused more wars leading to more deaths than Hitler. I saw a taped interview with Snowden which took place in Russia. He seemed to be a v. reasonable fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, boomerangutang said: I saw a taped interview with Snowden which took place in Russia. He seemed to be a v. reasonable fellow. She....LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazes Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: She....LOL She?????? Are you mistaking him for (the now) Chelsea Manning? Man up.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, blazes said: She?????? Are you mistaking him for (the now) Chelsea Manning? Man up.... oops...wrong traitor. LOL Apologies Edited April 14, 2017 by craigt3365 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 8 hours ago, webfact said: using his first public speech as spy agency chief to denounce leakers who have plagued U.S. intelligence. Praise be to de Lord for leakers. Otherwise we would truly believe our beloved government is on our side. Stand up Assange and Snowden and take a bow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retarius Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 11 hours ago, craigt3365 said: To make this fair, all governments need to be exposed by Wiki. Sadly, Assange just goes after the US. Why not Russia? China? North Korea? Craig this is simple so as even you can understand it. Wikileaks releases what it gets in from whistle blowers. Soooooo if it gets a wikileak from the USA it publishes that. If it gets a leak fro Denmark or Tibet it publishes that. There was a massive Saudi leak recently…it is reported daily on Middle Eastern news sits but not in the world as you read it. You need to stop swallowing the US propaganda and search out things for yourself. Otherwise you will always end up believing in The USA being Father Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaunduhpostman Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Whereas the CIA who was headed at its inception by none other than the head of Nazi Germany's head of military intelligence Reinhard Gehlen and which has been behind the non-democratic overthrow of some 84 governments are not a hostile non-state enity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 "U.S. intelligence agencies have struggled to deal with "insider threats" - their own employees or contractors who steal classified materials and, in some cases, publicize them." I have to wonder why there is such a large problem with the employees "stealing" information. Could it be that maybe some of them find the intelligence agencies go to far and violate the Constitution? There is no doubt that no one is safe from how much the intelligence agencies gather on Americans and others. It is not always about national security threats but goes further into spying on your friends and allies. It's like reading your friends email, listening to their calls, etc. It is obvious that it's all too late and Congress will never assert their oversight and reign in what the intelligence agencies are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 8 hours ago, retarius said: Craig this is simple so as even you can understand it. Wikileaks releases what it gets in from whistle blowers. Soooooo if it gets a wikileak from the USA it publishes that. If it gets a leak fro Denmark or Tibet it publishes that. There was a massive Saudi leak recently…it is reported daily on Middle Eastern news sits but not in the world as you read it. You need to stop swallowing the US propaganda and search out things for yourself. Otherwise you will always end up believing in The USA being Father Christmas. Sorry, but BS. The data from the DNC servers came from Russian hacks. Hardly whistle blowers. Your argument is wrong. You should read this: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/aug/23/wikileaks-posts-sensitive-medical-information-saudi-arabia Stop with the US propaganda thing. As I've heard from so many people, if they hear somebody say "lame stream media", you know they've lost the plot. The rest of their message isn't worth reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuiLoner Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Why does everyone want to shoot the messenger..? These so called leaks are information about elected Governments and political entities operating illegally. Try reading the content of the information being released and then make up your mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuktuktuk Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 2 hours ago, SamuiLoner said: Why does everyone want to shoot the messenger..? These so called leaks are information about elected Governments and political entities operating illegally. Try reading the content of the information being released and then make up your mind. The problem for me is that some of the things they leak are things I expect my government to be doing to protect me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrwebb8825 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 On 4/14/2017 at 10:02 AM, craigt3365 said: Name one government that doesn't have dirty secrets. Brunei :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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