Help to spread liberalism in Thailand

[swfsql]

@badischer Barde : I understand, it's complicated to deal with such inhuman political laws.

When I wrote "a little closer to reality" I just meant to "facilitate access", since there are little material in Thai language.

I encountered this marvelous video, I think it expresses a whole lot of libertarianism (you're welcomed to comment on it, if it's legal and if you're willing to):

 

by "got so amazed by that point of view that.. ", I really mean it, because I got inspired on those ideas. They are not seen on government schools nor curricula, since they are for no government, or are for government power restriction. Also, people won't increase their chances of government requirements for anything, so it ends up entirely on a personal study area. Since government schools teach the opposite of it, I believe it's indeed something people can get "amazed" on.

 

@isaanbanhou : I'm not interested in that, it's not effective. I prefer working with cryptocurrencies (bitcoin) which are a libertarian product which will attract everyone interested in not crashing with central banks and government budgets (the lack of it) all over the world.

But I also think that theory is all important, both ethical and economical theories.

 

[oldhippy]

There are 2 forms of libertarianism:

 

The original socialist libertarianism (Godwin, Bakoenin, Kropotkin, Machno, Sacco & Vanzetti, CNT,...).

The fascist libertarianism (that we know from the US - f ex the Oklahoma city bombing, the NRA, the alt-right,...).

 

Where do the sympathies of the OP lie?

 

 

 

 

[chippendale]

7 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

There are 2 forms of libertarianism:

 

The original socialist libertarianism (Godwin, Bakoenin, Kropotkin, Machno, Sacco & Vanzetti, CNT,...).

The fascist libertarianism (that we know from the US - f ex the Oklahoma city bombing, the NRA, the alt-right,...).

 

Where do the sympathies of the OP lie?

 

 

 

 

"Fascist libertarianism" is an oxymoron, thought up by a moron.

There is no such concept. Weak straw man argument.

[Time Traveller]

OP, if you don't know the difference between Libertarianism and Liberalism (as it is used in modern usage) then please give up on trying to educate anyone.

 

The currently usage of the term Liberalism - like how the word "Gay" changed to a completely different meaning over time - is now a philosphy based on a welfare state funded by taxation and whose followers are opposed to free speech and reward for effort

Edited July 11, 2018 by Time Traveller

[oldhippy]

43 minutes ago, Time Traveller said:

OP, if you don't know the difference between Libertarianism and Liberalism (as it is used in modern usage) then please give up on trying to educate anyone.

 

The currently usage of the term Liberalism - like how the word "Gay" changed to a completely different meaning over time - is now a philosphy based on a welfare state funded by taxation and whose followers are opposed to free speech and reward for effort

Time Traveller, you seem to be as confused as the OP.

Differently, but same same.

 

"Liberal" , "Liberalism" can be used as:

 

1/ a 19th century Philosophy about economics (that died together with the 19th century and was never put into practice).

2/ it might refer to people who claim to represent that philosophy today, but don't understand it (the likes of Reagan, Thatcher, The UK Conservatives, Guy Verhofstadt, Juncker).

3/ it could be a synonym for broad mindedness.

4/ it could be one of the favorite swear words of the alt right and similar rifraf.

 

[Time Traveller]

3 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Time Traveller, you seem to be as confused as the OP.

Differently, but same same.

 

"Liberal" , "Liberalism" can be used as:

 

1/ a 19th century Philosophy about economics (that died together with the 19th century and was never put into practice).

2/ it might refer to people who claim to represent that philosophy today, but don't understand it (the likes of Reagan, Thatcher, The UK Conservatives, Guy Verhofstadt, Juncker).

3/ it could be a synonym for broad mindedness.

4/ it could be one of the favorite swear words of the alt right and similar rifraf.

 

yes oldhippy, you are indeed old. 

Like I said, the meaning of Liberalism, in the political sense no longer means what you think it does. 

Liberalism is now a leftist idealogy based (partly around some Libertarian ideas of) freedom of movement of persons e.g. open borders, and (partly on socialist ideas of) welfare, increased taxation, minimum wages, and censorship.

 

Liberalism, as it is referred to now (in the 21st century), is in no way the belief of free markets, free speech & individual rights. Those concepts fall under the philosophy of Libertarianism, and that is the correct terminology used today.

[oldhippy]

2 minutes ago, Time Traveller said:

yes oldhippy, you are indeed old. 

Like I said, the meaning of Liberalism, in the political sense no longer means what you think it does. 

Liberalism is now a leftist idealogy based (partly around some Libertarian ideas of) freedom of movement of persons e.g. open borders, and (partly on socialist ideas of) welfare, increased taxation, minimum wages, and censorship.

 

Liberalism, as it is referred to now (in the 21st century), is in no way the belief of free markets, free speech & individual rights. Those concepts fall under the philosophy of Libertarianism, and that is the correct terminology used today.

Thank you for confirming my point of view concerning the alt right.

 

 

[swfsql]

On 7/11/2018 at 9:06 AM, Time Traveller said:

OP, if you don't know the difference between Libertarianism and Liberalism (as it is used in modern usage) then please give up on trying to educate anyone.

 

The currently usage of the term Liberalism - like how the word "Gay" changed to a completely different meaning over time - is now a philosphy based on a welfare state funded by taxation and whose followers are opposed to free speech and reward for effort

Not in brazil, for example. In here, "liberal" is to the US' libertarian, and "libertarian" is to the US' anarcho-capitalist.

How do you the define the "modern" usage?

 

But I agree it can be ambiguous, so I actually prefer to attach "classic" in front of it. The preferred clear term would be "anarcho-capitalism", but I think it's hard to invent such word for the Thai language.

 

Besides that, we are not so sure that the lefties took the term "liberalism" for themselves outside of US/EU. This has not happened in the entire Latin America, I think. But the context, at least in here, should suffice the meaning.

 

@oldhippy got it, thanks