AIS Fiber Speedbump for FB/Youtube

[muratremix]

http://www.ais.co.th/fibre/en/package_homeplus.html

 

It seems AIS promoting new feature, faster upload speeds (equal to your download speed if your line is capable) for Youtube and Facebook.

I wonder if anybody tested this? Especially you PIB

 

• Upload full speed 10 Mbps every package
• Special! Speed Boost when customers use YouTube and Facebook will get upload equal to download according to the package that customers use.

 

So if you have 100/10, it should give boost up to 100Mbit upload speed, which sounds great if it covers all Google services like Google Drive. 

 

Did anybody using AIS noticed speedbump? You can check speed via resource monitor in Windows 7-8-10 while uploading something big.

[shady86]

I'm using 75mbps condo package and noticed I could only do 30mbps max with YouTube upload.


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[RichCor]

...please don't tell me that @PIB is becoming a FACEBOOK and/or YOUTUBE producer/blogger.

 

[Pib]

Nope...don't even have an account on Facebook....nor have I ever uploaded anything to Youtube.   AIS speedboost for Facebook and Youtube is wasted on me....maybe I'll ask AIS for a discount.

 

I will say I have noticed AIS Fibre does appear to "burst" for a quarter to half second  when uploading to any site....like bursts up to around 100Mb on my 100Mb plan.   I can easily see this bursting using the "new" speedtest.net beta which is HTML5-based.  The old speedtest.net (now at legacy.speedtest.net) which is flashed-based shows a burst up to around 25Mb.   

[muratremix]

3 hours ago, shady86 said:

I'm using 75mbps condo package and noticed I could only do 30mbps max with YouTube upload.


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It probably because of your line speeds in Highrise condo. In fiber they could pretty much provide equal speeds.

 

[muratremix]

1 hour ago, Pib said:

Nope...don't even have an account on Facebook....nor have I ever uploaded anything to Youtube.   AIS speedboost for Facebook and Youtube is wasted on me....maybe I'll ask AIS for a discount.

 

I will say I have noticed AIS Fibre does appear to "burst" for a quarter to half second  when uploading to any site....like bursts up to around 100Mb on my 100Mb plan.   I can easily see this bursting using the "new" speedtest.net beta which is HTML5-based.  The old speedtest.net (now at legacy.speedtest.net) which is flashed-based shows a burst up to around 25Mb.   

Can you test upload speeds against youtube and google drive?

gmail gives 15gb free cloud drive with gmail account.

[Pib]

I uploaded a 200MB sized zip file to one of my cloud google drives....the upload spiked to around 40Mb for a half second or so while monitoring the upload with the Windows Task Manager....the upload then settled into a steady 11 to 12Mb upload speed until finished.

 

[muratremix]

35 minutes ago, Pib said:

I uploaded a 200MB sized zip file to one of my cloud google drives....the upload spiked to around 40Mb for a half second or so while monitoring the upload with the Windows Task Manager....the upload then settled into a steady 11 to 12Mb upload speed until finished.

 

Google drive and youtube uses same google peering, interesting. Perhaps they did not enabled in your account? Or it only works on FB/Youtube which would be a big disappointment.

[shady86]

It probably because of your line speeds in Highrise condo. In fiber they could pretty much provide equal speeds.

 

 

I could download at nearly 80Mbps but YouTube upload capped at 30Mbps. This is definitely throttling by Ais, nothing to do with line quality. I guess Thailand are limiting upload speeds to discourage P2P.

 

 

 

 

 

[shady86]

Google drive and youtube uses same google peering, interesting. Perhaps they did not enabled in your account? Or it only works on FB/Youtube which would be a big disappointment.

Even though Google and YouTube are under same company and servers,they are using different domain and web address so AIS throttle speed based on domain, company.

[elfpattaya]

PIB is special

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 hours ago, shady86 said:

I'm using 75mbps condo package and noticed I could only do 30mbps max with YouTube upload.
 

See the caveat in the fine print at the bottom of the AIS webpage linked above:

 

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Speed Boost for HomePLUS Package with uploads is equal download based on customer packages for Facebook and YouTube (Speed Boost for condominium will have a maximum upload 30 Mbps depending on the cable line of the building)

 

[Pib]

9 hours ago, muratremix said:

Google drive and youtube uses same google peering, interesting. Perhaps they did not enabled in your account? Or it only works on FB/Youtube which would be a big disappointment.

I expect it only works on the FB and Youtube websites.  Probably connecting to FB/Youtube Singapore-based mirror/content servers.

 

Since I can get approx 100Mb download speed to Singapore on my 100Mb plan, I expect getting 100Mb "upload" speed should also be easy as long as AIS Fibre allows upload "specifically to" FB/Youtube.  Seems like it would be easy enough for AIS to allow max speed on upload by specifically coding certain websites in their AIS domestic/international gateways.  

 

As Tall Guy's post pointed out, for folks on AIS Fibre in highrises where the final X-meters is provided via VDSL the upload limiting factor may really be  the fibre-to-VDSL "convertor" installed for the building.  

 

Although VDSL2 specs allow a max of  100Mb download and 100Mb upload speed, maybe the installed convertor can not handle that upload speed.  But for folks with fibre all the way to their residence/router (like me),  there is no VDSL involved.  

 

Then again, although VDSL2 is spec'ed for a max speed of 100Mb upload, maybe the AIS router can only "generate" up to a 30Mb upload speed....but I would guess it's not the router but upstream of the router like the fibre-to-VDSL convertor for the building....but I'm guessing here.   Whatever the VDLS upload bottleneck is (building converter, building wiring, whatever, etc) at least AIS points the 30Mb limitation for highrises using VDSL.

 

Glad to see AIS continuing to enhance their plans/system..   They have also just enhanced their Platinum & Gold Full HD premium TV packages by adding 13 or so "English soundtrack" channels.  Like where their Fox Premium Movies channel was originally in Thai dubbed soundtrack only; now they also have a English (original) sound track Fox Premium Movies channel...ditto for around a dozen other  channels like Nat Geo World and Nat Geo People channels, etc., which before were only in Thai audio....with before being the last week or so....I've been so engrossed in watching HBO Go Game of Thrones episodes over the last week (I'm now half way through Season 4) that I really haven't checked many of the AIS TV channels.   Ah, enough blabbing on this post....let me go over to that AIS Fibre TV thread and update a post regarding the new English audio channels if it hasn't been updated already by someone else.

 

[shady86]

Thanks for pointing that out. So it's AIS hardware limitation that limits upload speed. In theory the max bandwidth should apply both way unless being limited by one party. I have stopped Playbox services settled with 75mbps. I still missed the 1 Gbps fibre in Singapore. It cost about 1000b after converted.

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[Pib]

And here's the link to that update on AIS TV Premium channels which I mentioned in my earlier post.  For me, I using my Playbox "a lot" to watch TV channels now...especially movie channels.

 

 

[KhunBENQ]

14 hours ago, Pib said:

I uploaded a 200MB sized zip file to one of my cloud google drives....the upload spiked to around 40Mb for a half second or so while monitoring the upload with the Windows Task Manager....the upload then settled into a steady 11 to 12Mb upload speed until finished.

 

A realistic scenario.

It always stuns me that people expect unlimited upload/download rates from Google/Youtube etc. Even Google can not supply unlimited server capacities and you share internet infrastructure with millions.

Ever heard of "load balancing"?

 

This "youtube/FB" package looks like a marketing hit to me. Sell a placebo.

If there is something that I never have problems with than it is Google(youtube)/Facebook/Microsoft rates. These companies all have content delivered from within the region (Singapore, Hong Kong), have dedicated bandwidth.

I wouldn't pay a single Baht for such a "Boardband"  package.

Guaranteed 20 Mbit/s to Europe, that's what I would pay for.

[mtls2005]

Did anybody using AIS noticed speedbump?

 

No, not for me using Google Drive, hard-capped at 10 ~ 11 Mega-bits per second (upstream). I'm not a FB user, nor do I upload videos to YT, so can't vouch for those "bumps". For local YT channel producers it might be a nice benefit?

 

I'm on the AIS 100/10 plan. I usually get ~ 107/11 to Singapore with TMN.

 

 

[mtls2005]

 

I'm not sure exactly when this occurred but AIS Fiber seems to have increased the advertised upload speeds on some of their packages recently. The prices remained the same. I couldn't find mention of this with a search of the many "AIS Fiber" threads/posts.

 

http://www.ais.co.th/fibre/en/package_homebroadband.html

 

Consumer, HomeBroadband

 

50/10 is now 50/20 at 777/888 baht

100/10 is now 100/40 at 999/899 baht

 

I have the latter package (paying 899 as a AIS post-paid/Serenade customer), and hadn't done a speedtest in months, noticed I was getting ~ 111/47 Mbps and was a bit surprised at the upload speed. Not sure I need or use it all that much but maybe helps with things like torrenting?

 

 

 

 

[Pib]

Yea, it all occurred recently as in the last month or so depending on the package.  On 4 Sep I upgraded to the Power4 200/50 advertised plan from the 100/10 plan and that 200/50 speed is what I got or maybe it was about a week later when AIS started moving people from their 49 series IP address servers to their 184 series IP address servers the upload speed changed to 60Mb.  But even today they still advertise the plan as 200/50.   

 

Even on your 100/40 plan I see your upload speed is closer to 50 than the advertised 40.

 

I think AIS Fibre is just feeling the heat from the competition such as 3BB and True who have some plans with identical download speeds as AIS but much faster upload speeds.   I'm sure for a lot of people when having multiple choices for an ISP,  they really didn't know which one might be better, and say one ISP had a 100/10 plan at 1,000 baht but the other ISP had a 100/40 plan for 1,000 baht the person would probably pick the ISP with the 100/40 plan since it had a higher upload speed.

 

For me having a plan with high "upload" speed means little because I don't really upload much of anything except some images attached to some emails...I don't do torrents or upload stuff to youtube or similar sites....but I do "download/stream video" a good amount plus do a lot of internet browsing so a high "download" speed is what I want....a high upload don't really get my excited since I upload very little.

 

My 200/50 plan speed results...it gives me 60Mb upload speed.