Cop Under Review For Openly Marrying Boyfriend

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, kingkenny said:

Is the investigation into a party? The invitation is for a wedding party I am Guessing?  Is it not correct that the police check whether an illegal act is being attempted to legalize the marriage?

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You're making stuff up now. The police don't think there was an attempt to legalize the marriage. Nobody rational would believe that.  The setting was a party. It wasn't at a legal office where a legal marriage could be established. If they had approached such an office, which they did not, they would have been rejected because they know and all of us know that at the current time it is not possible to legalize a same sex marriage in Thailand.

Marriage parties on the other hand are very common in Thailand. 

 

Edited May 10, 2017 by Jingthing

[balo]

1 minute ago, Khon Kaen Dave said:

This topic

Not only this topic but I can pick out 20 topics and you would be there posting garbage. 

 

[kingkenny]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You're making stuff up now. The police don't think there was an attempt to legalize the marriage. Nobody rational would believe that.  The setting was a party. It wasn't at a legal office where a legal marriage could be established. If they had approached such an office, which they did not, they would have been rejected because they know and all of us that at the current time it is not possible to legalize a same sex marriage in Thailand.

Marriage parties on the other hand are very common in Thailand. 

 

OK so we have danced around for a while now, despite the initial report saying why there is an I vestigation, it is related to potential disciplinary matters rather than legal issues.  So the police are incorrect and homophobic for investigating if there has been a breach? Should they just ignore this?

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, kingkenny said:

OK so we have danced around for a while now, despite the initial report saying why there is an I vestigation, it is related to potential disciplinary matters rather than legal issues.  So the police are incorrect and homophobic for investigating if there has been a breach? Should they just ignore this?

Again, don't be so disingenuous, every rational person reading this knows full well there would be no "investigation" of this matter if the male cop had a wedding party with a woman. It's obviously because it was a celebration of a same sex union. We all know that. You know that. So the police are treating their employee especially badly based on his sexual orientation. I call that a case of homophobia. Instead, they should be sending their CONGRATULATIONS. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by Jingthing

[Luckysilk]

13 minutes ago, kingkenny said:

OK so we have danced around for a while now, despite the initial report saying why there is an I vestigation, it is related to potential disciplinary matters rather than legal issues.  So the police are incorrect and homophobic for investigating if there has been a breach? Should they just ignore this?

They should absolutely investigate and if need be terminate his employment if he's in breach of police code. 

 

Obviously he ruffled a few feathers and since same sex marriage isn't legal calling it a "marriage ceremony" is fraud and he did so wearing the RTP uniform.

 

Police forces globally are dominated by alpha males and even females have had hard times fitting in, surely this copper knew the ramifications.

 

Thai social media trends are not backing him I'm told by my wife.

[Jingthing]

Yes, I agree that police forces are often dominated by macho (combined with homophobic) culture and values, and gay men in police forces often face severe, unfair discrimination.

It's hardly only in Thailand.

In many states in the U.S. a person can be legally fired from any job just for the reason of sexual orientation status. 

The gay civil rights movement is an international thing, and different nations and organizations within nations (such as police) are at different stages of progress in that.

It's all relative, in some nations, someone having a party like in the news here, would be subject to the death penalty.

Thailand, happily, is not in the Taliban category, but it's not the "paradise" for sexual minorities that many people imagine that it is either. 

 

Edited May 10, 2017 by Jingthing

[kingkenny]

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Again, don't be so disingenuous, every rational person reading this knows full well there would be no "investigation" of this matter if the male cop had a wedding party with a woman. It's obviously because it was a celebration of a same sex union. We all know that. You know that. So the police are treating their employee especially badly based on his sexual orientation. I call that a case of homophobia. Instead, they should be sending their CONGRATULATIONS. 

Because a wedding ceremony between a man and a woman would be legal in every aspect should both be free to marry, the party followed by the signing of documents to legalize the marriage.  In this instance you have two men, possible breach of discipline codes and possibility one is already married with children.

 

The investigation is due process and the thought that this is homophobia is not in the mind of any rational thinking person, it's only in the mind of the person that tries to hunt down any perceived sleight of their sexuality..

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Khon Kaen Dave said:

Good post, i am happy that we agree to disagree. Free speech, thinking, and opinion, is everybody's right as a human being.We are lucky to have been born in times where these gifts exist. I am however interested in the comment, about me falling on tje wrong side of history, simply for not agreeing with a persons life style. I would be grateful for enlightenment on that spurious remark

I think this quote addresses your question about the wrong side of history in a very interesting way.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-the-last-nuremberg-prosecutor-alive-wants-the-world-to-know/

 

Quote

 

Lesley Stahl: You are such an idealist.

Benjamin Ferencz: I don't think I'm an idealist.  I'm a realist. And I see the progress.  The progress has been remarkable. Look at the emancipation of woman in my lifetime. You're sitting here as a female. Look what's happened to the same-sex marriages. To tell somebody a man can become a woman, a woman can become a man, and a man can marry a man, they would have said, "You're crazy." But it's a reality today. So the world is changing. And you shouldn't-- you know-- be despairing because it's never happened before. Nothing new ever happened before.

 

 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, kingkenny said:

Because a wedding ceremony between a man and a woman would be legal in every aspect should both be free to marry, the party followed by the signing of documents to legalize the marriage.  In this instance you have two men, possible breach of discipline codes and possibility one is already married with children.

 

The investigation is due process and the thought that this is homophobia is not in the mind of any rational thinking person, it's only in the mind of the person that tries to hunt down any perceived sleight of their sexuality..

In Thailand, it is not uncommon for there to be opposite sex wedding parties without a legalization document process.

It's implied by any rational person that there was no documentation process for this or any same sex wedding in Thailand, because that is not legally possible here yet. 

We can agree to disagree that the police hassling this young cop is about homophobia or not. I think it obviously is about that because it's obvious there would be no investigation of such a party if the couple were opposite sex. 

You are bending over backwards to invent stuff about why this isn't about homophobia. It doesn't wash. In this case, a cigar is a cigar. 

 

Cheers. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by Jingthing

[kingkenny]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

In Thailand, it is not uncommon for there to be opposite sex wedding parties without a legalization document process.

It's implied by any rational person that there was no documentation process for this or any same sex wedding in Thailand, because that is not legally possible here yet. 

We can agree to disagree that the police hassling this young cop is about homophobia or not. I think it obviously is about that because it's obvious there would be no investigation of such a party if the couple were opposite sex. 

You are bending over backwards to invent stuff about why this isn't about homophobia. It doesn't wash. In this case, a cigar is a cigar. 

 

Cheers. 

In this case homophobia is all in your mind.

 

He has not been punished, certain discipline codes are being studied to see if there is a breach, as far as I know it is not illegal to be gay and be in the police so that is not even the point of this investigation so again to cry homophobia is a moot point.

 

The only way here your argument will have credence if is he is punished for something that is not a discipline offence. 

[Jingthing]

Your argument falls apart with basic logic. There would not even be an "investigation" about this party if it wasn't about a same sex coupling. So he is subject to discriminatory treatment even if there isn't any disciplinary action just based on there being an investigation.

 

I'll ignore your obnoxious personal attack. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by Jingthing

[AGareth2]

for me

this word homophobia is being stretched a bit far

the police are probably concerned with their reputation

that's all

[Khon Kaen Dave]

51 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I think this quote addresses your question about the wrong side of history in a very interesting way.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-the-last-nuremberg-prosecutor-alive-wants-the-world-to-know/

 

 

Right, i will put this in simple terms because you are so wrapped up in your playing the homphobe card. try to understand this.

Friend A is an alcoholic, he has a drink the minute he gets up. he drinks all day, and then goes to the bar ometimes he doesnt come home. His wife will soon leave him, and i despair for his future. But, he is my friend, he is a funny guy. He makes me laugh, because he has a wicked sense of humour, he is my friend, but i do not agree with his life style.

Friend B is a compulsive gambler, he will play cards and go the race track at any opportunity. He is always looking for the winning horse, or the best hand. His wif will also leave him.He is my friend, i like being in his company because he is very knowledgeable about horses.He is very clever around a pack of cards and can do the most amazing card tricks. But i do not agree with his life style. 

You. I dont know you but if i was introduced to you somewhere, by someone and i learned that you were gay, why should it bother me. You could be witty, comical, good at conversation etc, i might find that i liked you, but i would not agree with your life style.

 It doesnt mean that i would think "oh my god, hes gay, i dont want anything more to do with him because he likes men"

All those quotes you sent me mean nothing, gender changes were bound to happen, Its a natural turn of events, and the people whom embark upon them are brave, because sometimes it can cost them their family. My wife and i have a few transgender friends, they come to our house in the village and we have fun and i like them all.The future lends changes in many things in many people. Nothing remains the same.People would have had fits of laughter, if you told them we would land on the moon.

Look, i dont care what you think of me, i dont care how much you rant and scream, because last night i was concerned that your anger might turn into a stroke. I dont care what your supporters on other posts said, because they soon realised that they were out of their depth's when trying to verbally fence with me.But you hide behind the Gay/ bigot card too easily.

Being an American, you will not know about the great scandal, involving one of our members of parliament. His name was Jeremy Thorpe, and during a court hearing, not anything to do with his sexual tendencies, a witness blurted out that he was being harassed on the stand because of his sexual affair with Jeremy Thorpe. Now, the national Liberal Club, where Churchill was a member before he crossed the floor and became a conservative., stands in a place called Millbank, overlooking the Thames in London. I happened to be working there at the time the scandal kicked off. i had, by then met many of the kitchen staff and 'chamber boys' (because mp's would often stay there) The majority of them were gay. It never caused me a days problem, some of them were very funny in their camp ways and very entertaining.Well, the police and Scotland yard raided the club and found many of the chamber boys servicing several members of the Liberal party and it was the ruination of Jeremy Thorpe and many of the prominent liberal mp's at the time.If you have any  English friends they might remember it, or you can google it.My point is, that where as i may not agree with your lifestyle but it doesnt stop me making friends of gaypeople or liking them.It seems that you are the one with the hatred,maybe you are a 'straightaphobe'(sic)

 But this post has had its day. You can still carry on slinging your insults, but you will get no rise from me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kingkenny]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Your argument falls apart with basic logic. There would not even be an "investigation" about this party if it wasn't about a same sex coupling. So he is subject to discriminatory treatment even if there isn't any disciplinary action just based on there being an investigation.

 

I'll ignore your obnoxious personal attack. 

What personal Attack? Are you inventing attacks now as well?

 

If there is something in the regulations related to same sex couplings then it needs to be investigated, this is simple and common sense, it is not homophobic as it first part of a structural network.. is Thailand homophobic for not allowing same sex weddings?

[kingkenny]

7 minutes ago, Khon Kaen Dave said:

Right, i will put this in simple terms because you are so wrapped up in your playing the homphobe card. try to understand this.

Friend A is an alcoholic, he has a drink the minute he gets up. he drinks all day, and then goes to the bar ometimes he doesnt come home. His wife will soon leave him, and i despair for his future. But, he is my friend, he is a funny guy. He makes me laugh, because he has a wicked sense of humour, he is my friend, but i do not agree with his life style.

Friend B is a compulsive gambler, he will play cards and go the race track at any opportunity. He is always looking for the winning horse, or the best hand. His wif will also leave him.He is my friend, i like being in his company because he is very knowledgeable about horses.He is very clever around a pack of cards and can do the most amazing card tricks. But i do not agree with his life style. 

You. I dont know you but if i was introduced to you somewhere, by someone and i learned that you were gay, why should it bother me. You could be witty, comical, good at conversation etc, i might find that i liked you, but i would not agree with your life style.

 It doesnt mean that i would think "oh my god, hes gay, i dont want anything more to do with him because he likes men"

All those quotes you sent me mean nothing, gender changes were bound to happen, Its a natural turn of events, and the people whom embark upon them are brave, because sometimes it can cost them their family. My wife and i have a few transgender friends, they come to our house in the village and we have fun and i like them all.The future lends changes in many things in many people. Nothing remains the same.People would have had fits of laughter, if you told them we would land on the moon.

Look, i dont care what you think of me, i dont care how much you rant and scream, because last night i was concerned that your anger might turn into a stroke. I dont care what your supporters on other posts said, because they soon realised that they were out of their depth's when trying to verbally fence with me.But you hide behind the Gay/ bigot card too easily.

Being an American, you will not know about the great scandal, involving one of our members of parliament. His name was Jeremy Thorpe, and during a court hearing, not anything to do with his sexual tendencies, a witness blurted out that he was being harassed on the stand because of his sexual affair with Jeremy Thorpe. Now, the national Liberal Club, where Churchill was a member before he crossed the floor and became a conservative., stands in a place called Millbank, overlooking the Thames in London. I happened to be working there at the time the scandal kicked off. i had, by then met many of the kitchen staff and 'chamber boys' (because mp's would often stay there) The majority of them were gay. It never caused me a days problem, some of them were very funny in their camp ways and very entertaining.Well, the police and Scotland yard raided the club and found many of the chamber boys servicing several members of the Liberal party and it was the ruination of Jeremy Thorpe and many of the prominent liberal mp's at the time.If you have any  English friends they might remember it, or you can google it.My point is, that where as i may not agree with your lifestyle but it doesnt stop me making friends of gaypeople or liking them.It seems that you are the one with the hatred,maybe you are a 'straightaphobe'(sic)

 But this post has had its day. You can still carry on slinging your insults, but you will get no rise from me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Haha I love the last line. Double entrede at its best. 

 

Careful though, he will call you a puritan next. 

Edited May 10, 2017 by kingkenny

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, kingkenny said:

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If there is something in the regulations related to same sex couplings then it needs to be investigated, this is simple and common sense, it is not homophobic as it first part of a structural network.. is Thailand homophobic for not allowing same sex weddings?

The article in the O.P. supports my position rather well.

http://www.khaosodenglish.com/politics/2017/05/08/cop-review-openly-marrying-boyfriend/

To wit:

Quote

 

Same-sex marriage is not recognized under the law, but it is also not illegal and same-sex weddings are commonplace.
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While police officers regularly pose for wedding photos in their uniforms, Paisarn suspects Thanadech was singled out for wearing his in the invitation.

He also questioned whether there’s a double standard being applied. In 2015, a policewoman openly married her female partner, and there was no reaction from the force.

“It reflects that Thai bureaucrats, especially the police, may still have certain values and perceptions about what men should be, or what men shouldn’t be,” Paisarn said.

 

 

Your BAITING way too general question about Thailand as a nation being homophobic for not having marriage equality isn't worthy of a response.

 

I have already addressed the general state of gay civil rights in Thailand. It's on a spectrum ... it's not the Taliban here but it's not the Netherlands either. 

 

Edited May 10, 2017 by Jingthing

[Khon Kaen Dave]

9 minutes ago, kingkenny said:

Haha I love the last line. Double entrede at its best. 

 

Careful though, he will call you a puritan next. 

OOOOH i am dreading the next few hours, i'm glad you got it though.

[Khon Kaen Dave]

2 hours ago, balo said:

Not only this topic but I can pick out 20 topics and you would be there posting garbage. 

 

Ha ha, the simple retort of a simple person who has simple needs and has had a simple education, simple in his knowledge of literature, beyond Star Trek comics.And who lives a simple life with the simple understanding that he is not to get involved with anything that is a few degrees above simple.

Simply the best!

[Prbkk]

The bottom line is that this kid has a right to choose a life partner. That right is unalienable and must not be hindered by the dinosaurs in the RTP . It is right to call out those reactionaries for their discriminatory double standards. 

Let the kid get married and live in peace.

If some people are discomforted by gay issues, let them do their hand-wringing in private by all means but it is unfair and unkind to continue to deny to others the same rights we all take for granted.

[Khon Kaen Dave]

2 minutes ago, Khon Kaen Dave said:

Ha ha, the simple retort of a simple person who has simple needs and has had a simple education, simple in his knowledge of literature, beyond Star Trek comics.And who lives a simple life with the simple understanding that he is not to get involved with anything that is a few degrees above simple.

Simply the best!

Oh!, and please feel free to point out the other 20 topics, or was that simply a quip off the top of your s....e  head(you fill in the dots, its simple)

[orchis]

Wonderful news! Congratulations to the happy couple.

[Khon Kaen Dave]

2 minutes ago, Prbkk said:

The bottom line is that this kid has a right to choose a life partner. That right is unalienable and must not be hindered by the dinosaurs in the RTP . It is right to call out those reactionaries for their discriminatory double standards. 

Let the kid get married and live in peace.

If some people are discomforted by gay issues, let them do their hand-wringing in private by all means but it is unfair and unkind to continue to deny to others the same rights we all take for granted.

Your post is well written and you are right. A person is entitled to find a life partner. And whether people like it or not they have to learn to live with it. However i do not wring hands, gnash teeth, or any other form of self flagellation. I wish the couple well and much happiness, but nowhere does it say that i have to agree with their life style. Their life together is their business, and i hope they have many happy years. I will not run around waving the 'i hate gays getting married and stuff" banner, cos i aint got one because i believe that what you have posted is right.In this world we have to take happiness where we can find it.

But we can not be all of one mind.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, orchis said:

Wonderful news! Congratulations to the happy couple.

Yeah, but if the cop unfairly loses his job based on his sexual orientation, not such a happy situation. Hopefully that won't happen. 

[Destiny1990]

13 minutes ago, Khon Kaen Dave said:

Oh!, and please feel free to point out the other 20 topics, or was that simply a quip off the top of your s....e  head(you fill in the dots, its simple)

Shitake?

[oceanyachting]

Is it me or are these discussions more animated on days on which the bars are closed?

 

[JHolmesJr]

1 minute ago, oceanyachting said:

Is it me or are these discussions more animated on days on which the bars are closed?

 

Another question:  does anyone else look at such couple pictures and try to figure out who's the top and who's the bottom? I do.

[Khon Kaen Dave]

4 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Shitake?

The answer is in the brackets.

[Khon Kaen Dave]

3 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Another question:  does anyone else look at such couple pictures and try to figure out who's the top and who's the bottom? I do.

55555

[oceanyachting]

4 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Another question:  does anyone else look at such couple pictures and try to figure out who's the top and who's the bottom? I do.

Only fans of porn walk around all day imagining everyone else having sex

[Destiny1990]

4 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Another question:  does anyone else look at such couple pictures and try to figure out who's the top and who's the bottom? I do.

Nop i did not even zoom in on the photo..maybe u like to explore your fantasies more?