Do you think Trump will be impeached or forced to resign?

[iReason]

Listen to Keith's timeline and quotes.

It's no wonder Special Counsel Mueller is looking at cover-up and conspiracy (amoung many other criminal offenses).

 

 

[iReason]

11 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

Trump has many bank loans with many banks.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-money-does-trump-owe-lenders-banks-loans-debts-2017-6

Can you come up with some actual FACTS to support your accusations?????

From your link:

One bank loan.

Deutsche Bank Trust Company Americas

(Which is a target of DOJ investigations)

Ladder Capital, also listed, is not a bank.

 

Deutsche Bank 'expects to face Trump-Russia probe'

"Deutsche Bank stepped in when few on Wall Street wanted to work with Trump in the 1980s and 1990s, 

and it is that relationship that has now come under scrutiny."

 

"DB also has strong ties to Russia."

 

"It signed a "cooperation agreement" with Vnesheconombank,

a Russian state-owned bank and a target of US economic sanctions, the New York Times reported."

http://www.dw.com/en/deutsche-bank-expects-to-face-trump-russia-probe/a-39778652

Deutsche Bank expects subpoenas over Trump-Russia investigation

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/19/deutsche-bank-donald-trump-russia-investigation-subpoenas

 

 

Meet the Obscure Company That Just Lent Trump Even More Money

"According to Crain’s New York Business, Ladder has extended Trump $275 million in loans in recent years,

providing much-needed capital at a time when most major banks deemed Trump too risky to do business with."

 

"Ladder was founded almost a decade ago by Brian Harris,

a former UBS executive for commercial real estate (which may help explain the refinancing connection)."

 

"The entity that refinanced the UBS loan was Ladder Capital Finance, a small, somewhat obscure outfit that isn’t a bank at all, but rather what’s known as a real estate investment trust or REIT."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/trump-ladder-capital-loan/

 

Trump’s Empire: A Maze of Debts and Opaque Ties

"Mr. Trump had passive investments in limited liability companies that had borrowed significant amounts of money."

 

"One of these investments involves an office tower at 1290 Avenue of Americas, near Rockefeller Center. In a typically complex deal, loan documents show that four lenders — German American Capital, a subsidiary of Deutsche Bank; UBS Real Estate Securities; Goldman Sachs Mortgage Company; and Bank of China — agreed in November 2012 to lend $950 million to the three companies that own the building."

 

"Those companies, obscurely named HWA 1290 III LLC, HWA 1290 IV LLC and HWA 1290 V LLC,

are owned by three other companies in which Mr. Trump has stakes."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/donald-trump-debt.html?mcubz=0

 

 

"Mr. Trump had passive investments in limited liability companies that had borrowed significant amounts of money."

 

Ya got anything else to substantiate your fallacious claim of: "Trump has many bank loans with many banks"?

 

Just making stuff up. Again.

 

 

Edited September 14, 2017 by iReason

[iReason]

Three sources confirm Donald Trump’s Pee Pee Tape

"Paul Wood recently wrote in a major British publication, The Spectator, that he also heard about the blackmail material from “two sources months before the Steele dossier came to light” (link), this means we’re looking at three sources confirming the Pee Pee Tape."

 

"Steele is not yet known to have testified for U.S. investigators looking into the Trump-Russia scandal."

 

"But it has been confirmed that he recently turned over all of his sources to investigators."

http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/pee-pee-tape-sources-trump/4713/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/forget-charlottesville-russia-is-still-the-true-trump-scandal/

 

Edited September 14, 2017 by iReason

[kunfish]

On 9/10/2017 at 8:45 PM, MajarTheLion said:

 

 

 

There will be no obstruction of justice charge because there none. So you're stuck with that, no matter how long it takes you to find out.

 

What more is there to say about his tax returns? You're not going to see them, no petition does anything to change any outcome and most importantly of all- many if not most Americans are educated enough to understand them anyway.

We'll see what happens in the coming months. It's a huge mess.

[mesquite]

7 hours ago, RobFord said:

Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

Trump supporter logic goes more like this:

Trump won the election.

Trump is president.

Get over it.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, mesquite said:

Trump supporter logic goes more like this:

Trump won the election.

Trump is president.

Get over it.

More like an attempt at bullying intimidation and trying to crush dissent. It will not work. trump is the most atrocious person to ever be elected president. The majority of Americans get that and will NEVER see him as fully legitimate or deserving of that high office. 

[ballpoint]

31 minutes ago, iReason said:

Three sources confirm Donald Trump’s Pee Pee Tape

"Paul Wood recently wrote in a major British publication, The Spectator, that he also heard about the blackmail material from “two sources months before the Steele dossier came to light” (link), this means we’re looking at three sources confirming the Pee Pee Tape."

 

"Steele is not yet known to have testified for U.S. investigators looking into the Trump-Russia scandal."

 

"But it has been confirmed that he recently turned over all of his sources to investigators."

http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/pee-pee-tape-sources-trump/4713/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/forget-charlottesville-russia-is-still-the-true-trump-scandal/

 

And when asked the difference between a lentil and a chick pea, Trump replied that he wouldn't pay to have a lentil on his face.

[ilostmypassword]

24 minutes ago, mesquite said:

Trump supporter logic goes more like this:

Trump won the election.

Trump is president.

Get over it.

The convenient thing about alleging motives is that it's impossible to disprove. And it doesn't require addressing facts which can be very inconvenient.

[iReason]

Democrats flip seats in pro-Trump districts with swings of up to 31 points

"In Oklahoma, Democrat Jacob Rosencrants defeated Republican Darin Chambers to claim an open seat in the state’s House of Representatives.

 

"Democrats bolstered their numbers in the New Hampshire House of Representatives as Democrat Charlie St Clair defeated Steven Whalley to secure a vacant seat formerly occupied by a Republican."

 

"According to data compiled by Daily Kos, Mr Rosencrants’ 20-point victory represented a 31-point swing over the margin compiled by Mr Trump, who carried the district by 11 points. In New Hampshire, Mr St. Claire won by 12 points a district where voters chose Mr Trump by a 17-point margin, a gap of 29 points."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/democrats-flip-special-elections-trump-districts-latest-a7945716.html

 

Massive margins. 

[mesquite]

34 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

More like an attempt at bullying intimidation and trying to crush dissent. It will not work. trump is the most atrocious person to ever be elected president. The majority of Americans get that and will NEVER see him as fully legitimate or deserving of that high office. 

More like sore losers and not so sure it's the majority of Americans who believe that nonsense.

 

Some facts:

 

On Nov 8, 2016, Trump won 306 electoral votes, Clinton won 232.

 

In an effort to upend the election, several celebrities, wanna be celebrities, and God knows who else made an emotional appeal to the electoral college members to get them to vote against Trump.  As a result of this effort Trump did indeed lose some electoral votes when the EC met on Dec 19, 2 to be exact, leaving him with a total of 304.

 

HOWEVER, Clinton lost 5 electoral votes and ended up with 227.  In other words, the plan backfired.

 

The integrity of the system remained intact. 

 

On January 20, 2017, at 12 noon, Donald John Trump took the oath of office and became the 45th President of the United States.

 

These are the facts, and what appears to be a vocal minority simply cannot accept them.  This failure to accept reality has led to all sorts of hate and discontent, and is the basis for the various schemes to dislodge Trump. 

 

Some losses are hard to take, and this is apparently quite hard for many people.  The longer those people hold on, the more painful for them it is.  It's time to let it go.

Edited September 14, 2017 by mesquite

[iReason]

Spectacular.  Trumptanic before it even left port:

 

 

[Jingthing]

Accept what reality? Yes he won. Yes it's a national tragedy that he did. You're not going to crush dissent with snarky lectures.

[CaptHaddock]

1 hour ago, iReason said:

Three sources confirm Donald Trump’s Pee Pee Tape

"Paul Wood recently wrote in a major British publication, The Spectator, that he also heard about the blackmail material from “two sources months before the Steele dossier came to light” (link), this means we’re looking at three sources confirming the Pee Pee Tape."

 

"Steele is not yet known to have testified for U.S. investigators looking into the Trump-Russia scandal."

 

"But it has been confirmed that he recently turned over all of his sources to investigators."

http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/pee-pee-tape-sources-trump/4713/

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/forget-charlottesville-russia-is-still-the-true-trump-scandal/

 

 

You wonder how the evangelicals will justify their continued support once they have the opportunity of seeing their president in the most flagrante of delictos.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, CaptHaddock said:

 

You wonder how the evangelicals will justify their continued support once they have the opportunity of seeing their president in the most flagrante of delictos.

I don't wonder. They have no scruples whatsoever. Already proven. They'll think, we don't care, we know he's going to pick far right, anti-gay, anti-choice, white nationalist judges and change the nature of the country for at least 50 years. They're right. He's already doing that. 

Edited September 14, 2017 by Jingthing

[iReason]

Rinat Akhmetshin, ex-Soviet military officer who served in Russian counterintelligence, 

get's a sit-down with the Grand Jury:

 

Russian lobbyist who met with Trump Jr. testifies before Mueller’s grand jury

"A federal grand jury has heard secret testimony from a Russian-American lobbyist who sat in on a June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with Donald Trump Jr., a new report said Thursday."

 

"The lobbyist, Rinat Akhmetshin, appeared before special counsel Robert Mueller’s grand jury in recent weeks, according to the Associated Press, citing a source close to the case."

 

"The revelation suggests that Mueller and his team of investigators view the meeting, which came weeks after Donald Trump won the GOP nomination, as potentially important to their probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible collusion with the Trump campaign."

http://nypost.com/2017/08/31/russian-lobbyist-who-met-with-trump-jr-testifies-before-muellers-grand-jury/

 

 

That would be the clandestine meeting that DJ Jr. who initially said, was attended by three people.

Later to be revealed, six people. Then ballooning to eight.  

 

 

Edited September 14, 2017 by iReason

[iReason]

Manafort Notes From Russian Meet Refer to Political Contributions

"WASHINGTON — Paul Manafort's notes from a controversial Trump Tower meeting with Russians during the 2016 presidential campaign included a mention of political contributions near a reference to the Republican National Committee, two sources briefed on the evidence told NBC News."

 

"The contents of the note, which have not been previously disclosed, elevated the significance of the June 2016 meeting for congressional investigators, who are focused on determining whether it included any discussion of donations from Russian sources to either the Trump campaign or the Republican Party."

 

"It is illegal for foreigners to donate to American elections."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/manafort-notes-russian-meet-contain-cryptic-reference-donations-n797816

[iReason]

On September 11, 2017 at 10:45 AM, MajarTheLion said:

What more is there to say about his tax returns? You're not going to see them, no petition does anything to change any outcome and most importantly of all- many if not most Americans are educated enough to understand them anyway.

 

"most importantly of all- many if not most Americans are educated enough to understand them anyway."

 

What a ludicrous, pointless assertion.

 

Whoever said "most Americans" would be looking at them?

 

No worries. Special Counsel Mueller has access to them and will get to the bottom of it. 

 

Stand by, the wheels of Justice are turning.

[CaptHaddock]

Mike Flynn, Jr. is now a target of the Russia investigation.  Seems he broke many laws working for his father.  The interesting part is that it looks like Mueller thinks Flynn might fall on his sword for Trump, but would flip to save his son from the slammer.

 

Flynn, Sr. is going to prison.  If he does flip, then so is Trump, because Flynn appears to have all the real dirt on DT.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-flynn-jr-subject-trump-russia-investigation-2017-9

[iReason]

11 minutes ago, CaptHaddock said:

Mike Flynn, Jr. is now a target of the Russia investigation.  Seems he broke many laws working for his father.  The interesting part is that it looks like Mueller thinks Flynn might fall on his sword for Trump, but would flip to save his son from the slammer.

Flynn, Sr. is going to prison.  If he does flip, then so is Trump, because Flynn appears to have all the real dirt on DT.

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-flynn-jr-subject-trump-russia-investigation-2017-9

 

Indeed. A whole nest of loose cannons:

 

Mike Flynn’s Son Is Subject of Federal Russia Probe

"Michael G. Flynn accompanied his father, for instance, on a trip to Moscow in December 2015 for the elder Flynn to deliver a paid speech at a 10th anniversary celebration for the state-sponsored Russian television network RT."

 

"The elder Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general and a former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, was seated at the same table as Russian President Vladimir Putin during the dinner."

 

"Records released by the House Oversight Committee show he was paid nearly $34,000 for his speech; RT also paid for Flynn and his son's airfare to Moscow and lodging at a luxury hotel from Dec. 9 to Dec. 12."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-s-son-subject-federal-russia-probe-n800741

[MajarTheLion]

1 hour ago, iReason said:

 

"most importantly of all- many if not most Americans are educated enough to understand them anyway."

 

What a ludicrous, pointless assertion.

 

Whoever said "most Americans" would be looking at them?

 

No worries. Special Counsel Mueller has access to them and will get to the bottom of it. 

 

Stand by, the wheels of Justice are turning.

 

I never said most Americans would be looking at them. Strawman argument. So you believe most Americans would understand Trump's tax returns. Talk about *ludicrous*. Look, I'm just trying to help you out. You people had so much invested in defeating Trump. Your *experts* declared his candidacy over many times. He was to lose in a landslide. You may want to hold off on buying that expensive champagne- that's the overall gist of what I am saying.

[MajarTheLion]

5 hours ago, iReason said:

From your link:

One bank loan.

Deutsche Bank Trust Company Americas

(Which is a target of DOJ investigations)

Ladder Capital, also listed, is not a bank.

 

Deutsche Bank 'expects to face Trump-Russia probe'

"Deutsche Bank stepped in when few on Wall Street wanted to work with Trump in the 1980s and 1990s, 

and it is that relationship that has now come under scrutiny."

 

"DB also has strong ties to Russia."

 

"It signed a "cooperation agreement" with Vnesheconombank,

a Russian state-owned bank and a target of US economic sanctions, the New York Times reported."

http://www.dw.com/en/deutsche-bank-expects-to-face-trump-russia-probe/a-39778652

Deutsche Bank expects subpoenas over Trump-Russia investigation

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/19/deutsche-bank-donald-trump-russia-investigation-subpoenas

 

 

Meet the Obscure Company That Just Lent Trump Even More Money

"According to Crain’s New York Business, Ladder has extended Trump $275 million in loans in recent years,

providing much-needed capital at a time when most major banks deemed Trump too risky to do business with."

 

"Ladder was founded almost a decade ago by Brian Harris,

a former UBS executive for commercial real estate (which may help explain the refinancing connection)."

 

"The entity that refinanced the UBS loan was Ladder Capital Finance, a small, somewhat obscure outfit that isn’t a bank at all, but rather what’s known as a real estate investment trust or REIT."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/trump-ladder-capital-loan/

 

Trump’s Empire: A Maze of Debts and Opaque Ties

"Mr. Trump had passive investments in limited liability companies that had borrowed significant amounts of money."

 

"One of these investments involves an office tower at 1290 Avenue of Americas, near Rockefeller Center. In a typically complex deal, loan documents show that four lenders — German American Capital, a subsidiary of Deutsche Bank; UBS Real Estate Securities; Goldman Sachs Mortgage Company; and Bank of China — agreed in November 2012 to lend $950 million to the three companies that own the building."

 

"Those companies, obscurely named HWA 1290 III LLC, HWA 1290 IV LLC and HWA 1290 V LLC,

are owned by three other companies in which Mr. Trump has stakes."

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/us/politics/donald-trump-debt.html?mcubz=0

 

 

"Mr. Trump had passive investments in limited liability companies that had borrowed significant amounts of money."

 

Ya got anything else to substantiate your fallacious claim of: "Trump has many bank loans with many banks"?

 

Just making stuff up. Again.

 

 

Nonsense:

 

President Donald Trump had personal liabilities of at least $315.6 million to German, US and other lenders as of mid-2017, according to a federal financial disclosure form released late on Friday by the US Office of Government Ethics.

 

If you want to quibble about whether they are banks or other lenders, fine with me. However, I'll mark you down as outraged that your comrade said no banks would loan money to Trump, yes? After all, you like being very accurate, correct?

 

Oh and Deutsche has strong ties to Russia? So what? Is that now illegal just because sore losers in America are in hysterics about all things Russian- except the Clintons making millions there, of course. "That's different", correct?

 

 

Oh and I'm afraid I have some more bad news for you. Even redstate.com has gone after Trump for being owned by so many Wall Street banks. Looks like it's more than one. Thanks for taking the bait. You keep playing checkers, I'll play chess. This is fun!

 

https://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/01/22/every-bank-wall-street-owns-donald-trump/

Edited September 14, 2017 by MajarTheLion

[MajarTheLion]

1 hour ago, iReason said:

 

Indeed. A whole nest of loose cannons:

 

Mike Flynn’s Son Is Subject of Federal Russia Probe

"Michael G. Flynn accompanied his father, for instance, on a trip to Moscow in December 2015 for the elder Flynn to deliver a paid speech at a 10th anniversary celebration for the state-sponsored Russian television network RT."

 

"The elder Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general and a former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, was seated at the same table as Russian President Vladimir Putin during the dinner."

 

"Records released by the House Oversight Committee show he was paid nearly $34,000 for his speech; RT also paid for Flynn and his son's airfare to Moscow and lodging at a luxury hotel from Dec. 9 to Dec. 12."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-s-son-subject-federal-russia-probe-n800741

 

So now you want to complain about paid speeches in Russia? Seriously, you want to go there?

 

Hillaryous!

[MajarTheLion]

11 hours ago, RobFord said:

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Specifically, who has stated it's impossible that Trump colluded with Russia?

[Dumbastheycome]

32 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

 

So now you want to complain about paid speeches in Russia? Seriously, you want to go there?

 

Hillaryous!

Nothing  removes  the   question for  me as  to  why   even a potential  Potus would be  so  preoccupied with  clandestine communication   with  so many  Russian affiliates?

[iReason]

34 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

If you want to quibble about whether they are banks or other lenders, fine with me.

Simply addressing another of your pretentious inaccurate claims that you state as if it were fact:

"Trump has many bank loans with many banks"

 

37 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

Oh and Deutsche has strong ties to Russia? So what?

Under DOJ investigations. And partnered with a U.S. sanctioned bank.

[MajarTheLion]

5 minutes ago, iReason said:

Simply addressing another of your pretentious inaccurate claims that you state as if it were fact:

"Trump has many bank loans with many banks"

 

Under DOJ investigations. And partnered with a U.S. sanctioned bank.

Hilarious. I just showed you a list of banks he has and has had loans with. You pretend otherwise

 

Oh and wow. I have several accounts at Bank of America. They've been fined by the US government several times. I must be crooked.

 

Surely you can do better than this. Perhaps you should speed up your .gif file of you drinking coffee.

 

Now get to work, you've got lots of tap dancing to do.

 

Edited September 14, 2017 by MajarTheLion

[MajarTheLion]

5 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Nothing  removes  the   question for  me as  to  why   even a potential  Potus would be  so  preoccupied with  clandestine communication   with  so many  Russian affiliates?

 

Question away!

[Berkshire]

24 minutes ago, MajarTheLion said:

 

Specifically, who has stated it's impossible that Trump colluded with Russia?

"Plausible deniability"....is that what you're claiming here?  What's been established on these threads is that (1) Trump supporters are incredibly dishonest, and (2) Trump supporters--unless they're personally benefiting in some way--are dumber than dirt. 

[MajarTheLion]

Just now, Berkshire said:

"Plausible deniability"....is that what you're claiming here?  What's been established on these threads is that (1) Trump supporters are incredibly dishonest, and (2) Trump supporters--unless they're personally benefiting in some way--are dumber than dirt. 

Wow, what a brilliant and substantive rebuttal.

[Dumbastheycome]

1 minute ago, MajarTheLion said:

 

Question away!

If   you  are offering one I  seriously  doubt you have  an answer I  would  believe.