Ford Truck Fire

[pgrahmm]

Not trying to knock the truck....

 

But worth discussion.....

 

This is the result of a fire on the Ford aluminum bodied truck....

[JAS21]

Aluminium burns well after applying a little heat to start...That's an F150? http://www.autonews.com/article/20150803/OEM03/308049994/why-others-arent-adopting-fords-aluminum-strategy

 

[pgrahmm]

Best I can make out it's an F150...

I enlarged the smaller pictures & the steel seat frames seem to be the last things standing....

 

There's a 2016 factory prototype on You Tube that burned flat to the ground.....Just travelling down an open road....

[NanLaew]

No Al body Ford trucks in Thailand. Or any other makes for that matter.

 

What's to discuss?

[JaseTheBass]

No Al body Ford trucks in Thailand. Or any other makes for that matter.
 
What's to discuss?

Some people are upset that they wasted their money on a 10 year out of date vehicle when they could've bought a good one instead.

Sent from my Cray II supercomputer

[Broken Record]

10 hours ago, JaseTheBass said:

 

Some people are upset that they wasted their money on a 10 year out of date vehicle when they could've bought a good one instead.

Sent from my Cray II supercomputer
 

 

Unfortunately it's the past that is affecting the present, on paper you would think the Everest would outsell the Fortuner and the Ranger the Revo, better looking in my opinion, better specs, but I expect Toyota sells more in both segments, it's just the reputation each marque has. My Fortuner is over 11 Years old, regular services, never a problem and still going strong, it's that bulletproof reputation that Toyota thrives on, Toyota's sell themselves in that respect.

I don't like the New Fortuner or The Revo, I don't like the look, Ford Ranger has got that butch truck look, Everest too is brawny looking, I like that look, I don't know what Toyoya designers were thinking when they went from Fortuner/Vigo to the new models, I still prefer the old Toyota models for the look.

My BIL for example, really likes the Ranger, loves the looks, but when he bought a new pick up, it was a Toyota again, Ford have got to earn a good reputation, I hope they can prove reliable in the long term, I'd really like an Everest, and if it was a Toyota Everest i'd have had one long ago.

Sometimes I regret having bought my Fortuner in 2006, it's been so reliable that I think I've become  attached to it, I'd love a new motor, but I don't like the look of the New Fortuner , I love the look of The Everest but as for the long term reliability, we will have to wait and see.

[bazza73]

I still remember an Australian Grand Prix - can't remember the year - when all the Formula 1 cars did a warm-up lap and settled back on the starting grid. Within about 20 seconds of each other, the two Fords that had been entered burst into flames.

I think every Ford marketing and sales manager in Australia might have felt like slashing their wrists that day.

[Hereinthailand]

Ill bet the insurance companies are looking at this and thinking about rates for aluminum bodied cars. They are nice trucks with the new lightweight bodies though.

[Pomthai]

On 24/05/2017 at 11:14 PM, Hereinthailand said:

Ill bet the insurance companies are looking at this and thinking about rates for aluminum bodied cars. They are nice trucks with the new lightweight bodies though.

 

If a car burns, steel or aluminum, its still a complete right off. Why would it make a difference to insurance premiums? Being made of a different metal doesn't make it more or less likely to catch fire, or am I missing something?

[Hereinthailand]

A truck made of steel would never have sustained that much damage from a fire and would be rebuildable, costing much less than a replacement truck, especially the way insurance companies will use aftermarket parts when rebuilding your vehicle. When you are talking about a 50-60K USD truck you can do alot of work on it before it is a write off. The only thing left in that picture is the engine and front panels and they were prob heat damaged.

[bazza73]

3 hours ago, Hereinthailand said:

A truck made of steel would never have sustained that much damage from a fire and would be rebuildable, costing much less than a replacement truck, especially the way insurance companies will use aftermarket parts when rebuilding your vehicle. When you are talking about a 50-60K USD truck you can do alot of work on it before it is a write off. The only thing left in that picture is the engine and front panels and they were prob heat damaged.

Steel melts at 1370 C. Aluminium melts at 660 C. The forging temperature ( i.e when the metal softens enough to be worked ) is 1230 C for steel, and between 300 C and 480 C for aluminium, depending on alloy composition. Aluminium is significantly weaker than steel in any fire scenario. The aluminium components of the truck probably collapsed under their own weight once the fire took hold.

[Techno Viking]

17 hours ago, Hereinthailand said:

A truck made of steel would never have sustained that much damage from a fire and would be rebuildable, costing much less than a replacement truck, especially the way insurance companies will use aftermarket parts when rebuilding your vehicle. When you are talking about a 50-60K USD truck you can do alot of work on it before it is a write off. The only thing left in that picture is the engine and front panels and they were prob heat damaged.

No insurance company will re-build a burnt vehicle.

[MINIMIGLIA]

1 hour ago, Techno Viking said:

No insurance company will re-build a burnt vehicle.

They will here in Thailand

[Techno Viking]

4 minutes ago, MINIMIGLIA said:

They will here in Thailand

Maybe a small engine bay fire but I seriously doubt a complete burnt out car.

 

But then...............

 

[Hereinthailand]

1 hour ago, Techno Viking said:

No insurance company will re-build a burnt vehicle.

Im from the usa and they do all the time. Again as average car and truck prices are well above 30K usd you can buy alot of parts and paint before you will payout for a replacement.

[Techno Viking]

3 minutes ago, Hereinthailand said:

Im from the usa and they do all the time. Again as average car and truck prices are well above 30K usd you can buy alot of parts and paint before you will payout for a replacement.

So these cars burnt out in a wildfire at yellowstone national park were re-built ?

 

[MINIMIGLIA]

you have to remember that here in Thailand labour is really cheap.

[Techno Viking]

11 minutes ago, MINIMIGLIA said:

you have to remember that here in Thailand labour is really cheap.

Unless there is a new for old replacement on the insurance policy the sum total of parts that go into a vehicle very quickly exceed the insured value of a vehicle hence I doubt a burnt out vehicle would be re-built. Not to mention ongoing issues with the burnt shell.

 

 

[pgrahmm]

On 5/24/2017 at 6:46 PM, Broken Record said:

Unfortunately it's the past that is affecting the present, on paper you would think the Everest would outsell the Fortuner and the Ranger the Revo, better looking in my opinion, better specs, but I expect Toyota sells more in both segments, it's just the reputation each marque has. My Fortuner is over 11 Years old, regular services, never a problem and still going strong, it's that bulletproof reputation that Toyota thrives on, Toyota's sell themselves in that respect.

I don't like the New Fortuner or The Revo, I don't like the look, Ford Ranger has got that butch truck look, Everest too is brawny looking, I like that look, I don't know what Toyoya designers were thinking when they went from Fortuner/Vigo to the new models, I still prefer the old Toyota models for the look.

My BIL for example, really likes the Ranger, loves the looks, but when he bought a new pick up, it was a Toyota again, Ford have got to earn a good reputation, I hope they can prove reliable in the long term, I'd really like an Everest, and if it was a Toyota Everest i'd have had one long ago.

Sometimes I regret having bought my Fortuner in 2006, it's been so reliable that I think I've become  attached to it, I'd love a new motor, but I don't like the look of the New Fortuner , I love the look of The Everest but as for the long term reliability, we will have to wait and see.

Personally, I would not own a Ford....I can see where JTB is coming from - "new" technology, which Ford is quick to use & not always for the better....

 

Personally, I have 6 vehicles including an RV spread around in 3 countries + 2 homes....Most of the vehicles are Toyota/Lexus AND that "10 year old technology" is - and remains reliable, durable, easy to maintain - and trouble free....

[Hereinthailand]

22 hours ago, Techno Viking said:

So these cars burnt out in a wildfire at yellowstone national park were re-built ?

Always one person that will go find the most exterme example just to say they are right, oh well.

[Techno Viking]

9 minutes ago, Hereinthailand said:

Always one person that will go find the most exterme example just to say they are right, oh well.

Not at all, people are claiming insurance companies  will repair a burnt out vehicle and i'am merely saying they will not.

 

Good to hear you agree with me.

[pgrahmm]

1 hour ago, Techno Viking said:

Not at all, people are claiming insurance companies  will repair a burnt out vehicle and i'am merely saying they will not.

 

Good to hear you agree with me.

Basically once something takes out a major part of the electronics, (fire, flood - even massive rodent chew, one time) it becomes a write off & settlement....

[Techno Viking]

Just now, pgrahmm said:

Basically once something takes out a major part of the electronics, (fire, flood - even massive rodent chew, one time) it becomes a write off & settlement....

Yes I know this, others here seem to think otherwise.

[USPatriot]

A truck made of steel would never have sustained that much damage from a fire and would be rebuildable, costing much less than a replacement truck, especially the way insurance companies will use aftermarket parts when rebuilding your vehicle. When you are talking about a 50-60K USD truck you can do alot of work on it before it is a write off. The only thing left in that picture is the engine and front panels and they were prob heat damaged.

If a car catches fire it ruins the strength of the steel. An insurance company wouldn't risk a lawsuit by fixing the vehicle and having something happen in a second accident or premature wear over time.

[DavisH]

Don't go throwing bricks into the bed of an aluminium truck:)

 

[JaseTheBass]

Don't go throwing bricks into the bed of an aluminium truck:)
 

Not likely in Thailand seeing as there aren't any.

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[canthai55]

Nope - Thailand has no bricks, no concrete blocks, no tool boxes. Wonder what all the houses are built from ?

[Techno Viking]

1 hour ago, canthai55 said:

Nope - Thailand has no bricks, no concrete blocks, no tool boxes. Wonder what all the houses are built from ?

I think Jase was talking about an aluminum truck.

[Jitar]

On 5/28/2017 at 2:02 PM, Hereinthailand said:

Always one person that will go find the most exterme example just to say they are right, oh well.

That is true for both sides of the argument.  Most pickups do not end in flames, or get loaded with bricks.  

 

High strength steel alloys have allowed thinner and lighter steel components but the size, equipment standard and weight of vehicles continues to grow. 

 

Aluminium alloys offer weight saving potential due to better strength to weight ratio than steel.  Aluminium components can be designed to have comparable strength to steel but will usually be thicker and softer.  If a truck body is going to get impact or wear, use a liner.  Steel pickup bodies might resist wear and dents better than aluminium but they still get damaged with heavy work.  

 

If the initial cost is reasonable, reduced weight will give performance and economy benefits, regardless of petrol or diesel power.   Land Rover, some heavy truck cabs and bodies have successfully used Aluminium for years.   The F150 should be able to do the same.    

 

[NanLaew]