Grouse Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, thaihome said: Do you advocate demolishing the place of worship of any murderer, or just muslim murderers? TH I'm going to leave this thread before I get angry The issue is community support for terrorism Do you think that the average Christian murderer is supported by his vicar and the congregation? For goodness sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthesoi Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, thaihome said: Do you advocate demolishing the place of worship of any murderer, or just muslim murderers? TH He actually advocates for more than just the mosque being demolished, he wants all the housing demolished in the entire community where the terrorist lived...but only if the people living in those houses are muslim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Grouse said: I'm going to leave this thread before I get angry The issue is community support for terrorism Do you think that the average Christian murderer is supported by his vicar and the congregation? For goodness sake. "Do you think that the average Christian murderer is supported by his vicar and the congregation? For goodness sake." Neither is the case here, they even informed the police, but you chose to ignore facts that don't suit your action plan: demolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, stevenl said: Iman, friends and family informed the police and called the anti terrorist line (I did not even know that existed). That is all according to The Telegraph, not known for their sensationalism, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/24/security-services-missed-five-opportunities-stop-manchester/?_sp=3d2a4ad9-fa4d-4e51-805a-217517fcc57d.1495669930587 The Independent confirms similar, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-attack-bombs-found-mi5-arrests-latest-news-updates-a7754486.html?_sp=3d2a4ad9-fa4d-4e51-805a-217517fcc57d.1495669951044 You are correct. The mosque is reprieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, onthesoi said: He actually advocates for more than just the mosque being demolished, he wants all the housing demolished in the entire community where the terrorist lived...but only if the people living in those houses are muslim. I did not specify actually But that was in the heat of the moment It now seems the mosque provided warnings but these were ignored Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthesoi Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Thairealist said: Are you saying that the Christians in Iraq where part of the so called coalition that invaded Iraq, and therefore deserved what has since befallen them. Or would you say that they have been subject to rape and murder by Muslims , for failing to convert to Islam. I was replying to the post which claimed there were no christian churches in muslim countries, I was merley pointing out there have been christians churches in muslim countries for thousands of years. Christians and muslims were living relatively peacefully side by side until Iraq got invaded by bush and suddenly the christians were being murdered due to the instabilty and power vacuum created by the us/uk invasion....as I said Iraq became an exremists wet dream as a direct result of the western invasion.....btw the bombing in manchester is directly a result of uk foriegn policy in various muslim countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaihome Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Grouse said: You are correct. The mosque is reprieved. As if that is your decision to make? TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthesoi Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Grouse said: I did not specify actually But that was in the heat of the moment It now seems the mosque provided warnings but these were ignored You specified exactly that, but those posts have since been deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thairealist Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, onthesoi said: I was replying to the post which claimed there were no christian churches in muslim countries, I was merley pointing out there have been christians churches in muslim countries for thousands of years. Christians and muslims were living relatively peacefully side by side until Iraq got invaded by bush and suddenly the christians were being murdered due to the instabilty and power vacuum created by the us/uk invasion....as I said Iraq became an exremists wet dream as a direct result of the western invasion.....btw the bombing in manchester is directly a result of uk foriegn policy in various muslim countries. I think the gulf wars were wrong, and unfortunately many civilians were killed, in the collateral damage. However it seems you are excusing the direct killing of 22 young people. Hope you sleep at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaihome Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 21 minutes ago, Thairealist said: I think the gulf wars were wrong, and unfortunately many civilians were killed, in the collateral damage. However it seems you are excusing the direct killing of 22 young people. Hope you sleep at night. I believe you would be hard pressed to find the poster you are attacking is "excusing" the terrorists. He was explaining the history of the current environment in which we live where innocent people are being killed by both sides in a never ending tit for tat war in which both sides beliefs are both right and wrong. TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Thairealist said: I think the gulf wars were wrong, and unfortunately many civilians were killed, in the collateral damage. However it seems you are excusing the direct killing of 22 young people. Hope you sleep at night. Beg to differ, the poster was commenting on his understanding as to one of the causes of Islamist terror attacks in the West. A number of these attacks have been 'justified' by killers as revenge for deaths by coalition forces of Muslim civilians (feel our pain) in the M.E. and elsewhere. It's debatable regards the motivation as ISIS ideology is actually to create the circumstances, in today's world, to trigger the orthodox Sunni version of the Apocalypse. Others claim ISIS is in reality a power crazed evil criminal enterprise and so on and so on. Some Muslim leaders have condemned the attack in Manchester as contrary to the teachings of Islam e.g. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-arena-attack-muslim-leaders-condemn-suicide-bombing-ariana-grande-explosion-a7751576.html http://www.arabnews.com/node/1103936/saudi-arabia Edited May 25, 2017 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 36 minutes ago, Thairealist said: I think the gulf wars were wrong, and unfortunately many civilians were killed, in the collateral damage. However it seems you are excusing the direct killing of 22 young people. Hope you sleep at night. "However it seems you are excusing the direct killing of 22 young people" He did no such thing, seems you are blinded by hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flustered Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 This is becoming very hard to follow. There are posts that are directly related to the thread in that they address the cause, being deleted wholesale while others that have nothing to do with it remain. As Grouse say's It's time to leave this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, onthesoi said: He actually advocates for more than just the mosque being demolished, he wants all the housing demolished in the entire community where the terrorist lived...but only if the people living in those houses are muslim. wasn't that a policy of the SS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, thaihome said: As if that is your decision to make? TH Edited May 25, 2017 by Grouse I will not rise to the bait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, onthesoi said: He actually advocates for more than just the mosque being demolished, he wants all the housing demolished in the entire community where the terrorist lived...but only if the people living in those houses are muslim. Incorrect. I did not specify who occupied the housing for good reason. I have calmed down a little since then but am starting to feel anger rising at the apologists on here. Time for the pub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 9 minutes ago, AGareth2 said: wasn't that a policy of the SS? I didn't propose harming anyone; quite the reverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovelomsak Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 5 minutes ago, Grouse said: Incorrect. I did not specify who occupied the housing for good reason. I have calmed down a little since then but am starting to feel anger rising at the apologists on here. Time for the pub! I will meet you at the pub ha ha .I am out of this thread too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caps Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, simple1 said: Some Muslim leaders have condemned the attack in Manchester as contrary to the teachings of Islam e.g. Different teachings http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, simple1 said: Beg to differ, the poster was commenting on his understanding as to one of the causes of Islamist terror attacks in the West. A number of these attacks have been 'justified' by killers as revenge for deaths by coalition forces of Muslim civilians (feel our pain) in the M.E. and elsewhere. It's debatable regards the motivation as ISIS ideology is actually to create the circumstances, in today's world, to trigger the orthodox Sunni version of the Apocalypse. Others claim ISIS is in reality a power crazed evil criminal enterprise and so on and so on. Some Muslim leaders have condemned the attack in Manchester as contrary to the teachings of Islam e.g. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-arena-attack-muslim-leaders-condemn-suicide-bombing-ariana-grande-explosion-a7751576.html http://www.arabnews.com/node/1103936/saudi-arabia "Some Muslim leaders have condemned the attack in Manchester as contrary to the teachings of Islam " Just watching the BBC News right now, and some Muslims are justifying the attrocities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, vogie said: "Some Muslim leaders have condemned the attack in Manchester as contrary to the teachings of Islam " Just watching the BBC News right now, and some Muslims are justifying the attrocities? Come and join us down the pub Vogie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxYakov Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, vogie said: "Some Muslim leaders have condemned the attack in Manchester as contrary to the teachings of Islam " Just watching the BBC News right now, and some Muslims are justifying the attrocities? The <deleted> you say!? Watching <deleted> when you should be at the <deleted> and enjoying time with your <deleted>?! Edited May 25, 2017 by MaxYakov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaihome Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Grouse said: Incorrect. I did not specify who occupied the housing for good reason. I have calmed down a little since then but am starting to feel anger rising at the apologists on here. Time for the pub! Can you point out a single post where someone "apologized" for the attack? All I have said, as well as others, is an irrational hatred of 1.8 billion muslims, of which you were amoung the most vehement and irrational, does nothing except play into exactly what the terrorists were trying to accomplish. It is a criminal act, let your justice system work and stop scapegoating people that you have absolutely no proof helped or even condoned the attack. TH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, simple1 said: Some Muslim leaders have condemned the attack in Manchester as contrary to the teachings of Islam e.g. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-arena-attack-muslim-leaders-condemn-suicide-bombing-ariana-grande-explosion-a7751576.html http://www.arabnews.com/node/1103936/saudi-arabia A lot more than 'some.' I have not checked internationally, but this evil attack on children has been widely condemned by many Muslim spokespeople from all over the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthesoi Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Grouse said: Incorrect. I did not specify who occupied the housing for good reason. I have calmed down a little since then but am starting to feel anger rising at the apologists on here. Time for the pub! You just wanted to demolish whole communities of housing with random unspecified occupants? in a thread where you've also stated you want mosques demolished and halal banned... Lets not play games with the truth as its just plain cowardly. Apologists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthesoi Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 52 minutes ago, vogie said: "Some Muslim leaders have condemned the attack in Manchester as contrary to the teachings of Islam " Just watching the BBC News right now, and some Muslims are justifying the attrocities? Justifying and explaining the root cause are two different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, onthesoi said: Justifying and explaining the root cause are two different things. Most people on here are showing respect for the victims, some others are more concerned with justifying the perpetrators actions, thankfully I am not one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthesoi Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, vogie said: Most people on here are showing respect for the victims, some others are more concerned with justifying the perpetrators actions, thankfully I am not one of those. Using the dead bodies as a soap box for islamaphobic rantings, including calling for mosques and entire communities to be demolished and their food to be banned isn't showing respect for the dead either Vogie... So you might want to go back and revise the posts you've been liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewsterbudgen Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Most people on here are showing respect for the victims, some others are more concerned with justifying the perpetrators actions, thankfully I am not one of those.I challenge you to find a single post on here that has justified the murder of these innocent people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickBradford Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 There is a good article published today, written by a British Libyan who describes exactly how someone who has been given refuge by a country can be taught to hate it to the extent of blowing up children at a pop concert. Well worth a read. http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/why-salman-abedi-grew-to-hate-us/19866#.WSbIxGiLTIV In summary, he attributes this attack, previous attacks and future attacks to how young British Muslims are caught between Islamists who prey on them and a chattering class that refuses to talk about the Islamist problem for fear of "making a scene". In other words, those who try to prevent the words "Islamic terrorism" to be spoken, are sacrificing lives on the altar of political correctness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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