Exterior Paint.

[leekman]

I  am  repainting the exterior of my home soon. And would like some information what is the best masonry paint and make to buy. Ive heard berger is a good make but was hoping for some  knowledge from members who have repainted there exterior of there home. Thanks in advance. P

[meatboy]

we have not long painted the whole house,and after much searching we plumped for TOA SUPERSHIELD.[nano titanium]

triple protection. good selection of nice colours.

[kamalabob2]

There are many good brands of house paint sold in Thailand. However all the major brands have about 6 to 10 series of exterior paint. You should consider going in person to where they sell TOA, Nippon Paint, Dulux Paint, Jotun paint and see the brochures.   See how many years is the warranty. Then get a written answer on what will happen if the paint fails prior to the warranty period. I've been down this road and some house paint in Thailand will honor a warranty. Some house paint dealers have staff or owners who understand the purpose of a guarantee. Some do not. We might pass on the "sub brands" of the major paint companies. TOA has five different paint brands. Cleaning and prep work play a crucial role in what quality house paint will last and the minimum watering down may play a role in your long term satisfaction of a paint job in Thailand. 

[leekman]

Thank's for the swift reply's. I have read from other forums that TOA  is the brand that i should consider buying.. Like what has been stated prep work plays a big part and concrete priemer etc. Thanks

[Pdaz]

Only two choices for me..

 

Oil based - So good they use it on condos in Singapore.

Jotun Pioneer 2000.  But need to prep wall with Cito primer and an intermediate coat before top coat. Easily lasts 10 years. 

Water just runs off and can be jet washed clean yearly. 

 

Water Based acrylic

Dulux Weathershield.  Long lasting and durable. 

[Isan Farang]

25 minutes ago, Pdaz said:

Only two choices for me..

 

Oil based - So good they use it on condos in Singapore.

Jotun Pioneer 2000.  But need to prep wall with Cito primer and an intermediate coat before top coat. Easily lasts 10 years. 

Water just runs off and can be jet washed clean yearly. 

 

Water Based acrylic

Dulux Weathershield.  Long lasting and durable. 

We had two buildings done in Dulux Weathershield on 2010 and the finish is still very nice. If the preparation work is not done to the Dulux spec your wasting your money on high end paint.

 

I was lucky as the painting crew i had done a cracking job, and the paint was applied only whare required.

[Isan Farang]

1 hour ago, leekman said:

Thank's for the swift reply's. I have read from other forums that TOA  is the brand that i should consider buying.. Like what has been stated prep work plays a big part and concrete priemer etc. Thanks

As per all my jobs i have had done over here i purchase the material and pay the guys a fixed price for the required job. If they are not having to purchase the material they are not concerned how many buckets of paint is required, or playing around thinning it out.

 

You will also find that a guarantee over here might be a little bit different to other locations. What they state and what actually happens if there is some issue may vary.

[Crossy]

We used TOA 4-Seasons acrylic emulsion both inside and out. Still looking good outside after 5 years. No visible fading (it probably has) and no flaking.

 

As everyone else is saying, proper preparation and minimal (if any) thinning is vital.

 

[leekman]

Thank you for all the replies im alot more clearer now . Crossy you say ( As everyone else is saying, proper preparation and minimal (if any) thinning is vital. ) thinning is that its vital to thin the paint or thin the prep work ?. Paul

[bankruatsteve]

42 minutes ago, Isan Farang said:

As per all my jobs i have had done over here i purchase the material and pay the guys a fixed price for the required job. If they are not having to purchase the material they are not concerned how many buckets of paint is required, or playing around thinning it out.

I really think thinning paint to 50% is part of Thai painting 101.  Whether the painter/contractor purchases or the owner, they have to thin that sucker out.  I hear that is starting to get better but most of them will just do it.

[leekman]

Thank you bankruatsteve for the swift reply. I have learn't something there so i must thin the paint out on all or the contractor. I would of thought thinning the paint out would of made the paint lose its factory strengh so warranty would not be valid.  Paul

[bankruatsteve]

6 minutes ago, leekman said:

Thank you for all the replies im alot more clearer now . Crossy you say ( As everyone else is saying, proper preparation and minimal (if any) thinning is vital. ) thinning is that its vital to thin the paint or thin the prep work ?. Paul

It's normal to thin the primer out to maybe 10%.  The "color" never needs thinning IMO - well unless a spray gun is used.  The "prep" is sanding, scraping, cleaning, masking, etc.

[leekman]

Thanks bankruatsteve. egnore my last post you have answered in this one. understand and clear now. Thank you for the good info. P

[kokesaat]

Many years ago we used a good grade of Captain exterior that lasted 7 years.  Then in 2011, we repainted with TOA Supershield titanium 15yr.  There's no indication we'll need to repaint any time soon.

A few lessons learned over 20+ years of living in Thailand.  YOU buy the paint!  TOA seems to be the leader these days and a trip to Global House (for example) will give you plenty opportunity to compare.  

DO NOT LET the painters cut the paint with water.  They will.....because it's easier to apply and you'd be hard-pressed to know the difference for the first year or two or three.......then it comes off like powder.

 

[bankruatsteve]

Another Thailand oddity (to me) is that many of the local "paint stores" do not even carry the premium grade of paint whether it's TOA, or whatever.  And the premium grade is what you want to keep a good job looking that way for many years.  So head to one of the "Home" stores for that.

[leekman]

Im new to this and gained some valuable info from this post. It seems TOA  is the main brand most members go for. I have browsed homepro website just to see prices and look at some of the paint choices that members have suggested to use. There seem to be a number of differant grades in the same paint for instance Crossy suggested 4 seasons. I have looked at this paint same as other suggestions and there is a A, B, C,D in 4 seasons . I surpose A will be the best of this brand of paint am i correct and D  not best. P

[Crossy]

52 minutes ago, leekman said:

I surpose A will be the best of this brand of paint am i correct and D  not best.

 

Looking at the prices on the HomePro website (they have all 4 bases) A is indeed best quality.

 

Incidentally, when you get your colours made up take a photo of the label they stick on the lid, it has all the necessary information to make some more.

 

Not a problem if you use a standard mix, but if you're one of the awkward XXX's who want a colour that matches the dog ...

[Isan Farang]

1 hour ago, leekman said:

Im new to this and gained some valuable info from this post. It seems TOA  is the main brand most members go for. I have browsed homepro website just to see prices and look at some of the paint choices that members have suggested to use. There seem to be a number of differant grades in the same paint for instance Crossy suggested 4 seasons. I have looked at this paint same as other suggestions and there is a A, B, C,D in 4 seasons . I surpose A will be the best of this brand of paint am i correct and D  not best. P

Purchasing the paint is the easy part, finding a competent painting crew can be tricky. Try and ask around for who does a decent job and ask the foreman to let you look at a couple of jobs they have done.

 

The guy i use has been in the business for a long time and he took over from his father, they get there work from people telling there friends who painted there house. They are not cheap and even back in 2010 the cost was double to what the cowboys charge but the job was done correctly with no disputes or having them come back to rectify issues.

[petermik]

11 hours ago, Pdaz said:

 

 

Water Based acrylic

Dulux Weathershield.  Long lasting and durable. 

+1 did my house with this,excellent choice and was on promotion at Watsadu at the time 

[Pdaz]

As part of the preparation. Buy some fungicide wash ( you dilute it with water ) and then either spray it or roller/brush it on.

It will kill the fungal mold spores that will be on any exterior wall. This prevents the green growth coming thru the paint.

Dulux, TOA etc all have their own fungal pre-wash. Not expensive a small bottle goes a long way.

Most modern paints contain a fungicide but it's still better to wash the substrate prior to painting.

If you are painting new masonry/concrete it's worth thinning the first coat of primer ( if using water based paint ) as it will be absorbed quickly by the fresh masonry and seal it. This will give you a light first coat. Then a second light coat of primer can be applied.

This will men less wastage of top coat ( which is more expensive ) to get a good opaque finish.

[meatboy]

we have not long painted the whole house,and after much searching we plumped for TOA SUPERSHIELD.[nano titanium]

triple protection. good selection of nice colours.

we used about over 20gallons of paint and we made sure not more than 10% water.

a good fungus wash and a good primer,plus any cracks we used TOA ACRYLIC FILLER.

what others have posted BUY THE PAINT YOURSELF.

if the painters buy it you will end up paying for 50%WATER.

if you go to somewhere like home-pro you can get all the brochure's then use the colours as swatches to match the colours you intend

to want.

 

[kamalabob2]

Leekman:  The letters A or B or C or D on a bucket of paint refer to the BASE.  Nothing to do with quality. 4 Seasons is a "value brand" of TOA. Mandarin Duck is an even cheaper TOA brand paint.  Every house paint brand has a "value brand" in Thailand. Look at the number of years of the warranty on the bucket. If no mention of years, be warned. Paint rollers and paint brushes come in all grades and sizes in Thailand. It is very clear on the paint buckets regarding adding water to thin. If a paint has a 15 year warranty it might be worth the initial extra expense on your residence in Thailand. In investment rental property you might buy the fighting brands.

[kamalabob2]

TOA exterior house paint is available in seven different grades the last time I checked in Buriram. For the OP to go in person and pick up brochures and see if he can communicate with the Thailand paint store staff will be important. I've bought paint in many stores and sometimes the paint representative is trained, other times I wonder if the fork lift driver wanted a new shirt.  Some staff had experience with paint for a Graco airless sprayer, some had experience with a wider paint roller.