spacebass Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) Paracetemol is dangerous once you have taken too many nothing can save You. I always thought about 20 would do the trick but not 5. Edited June 8, 2017 by spacebass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacknorman Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 He passed out dead in her arms almost immediately and she called police. even if she thought he was dead, he might be retriveable like people been under water for 30 minutes, shouldn't she called an ambulance first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nip Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) I would expect that an educated man who had reached the age of 52 would know that 1 or 2 paracetamol would be sufficient to deal with a headache and that taking any more than that would be unecessary and hazardous. Knowing the Thai's ability to bend the truth I think I would wait for as others say the toxicology report. Who knows maybe he had an existing medical problem? Edited June 8, 2017 by Nip Grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Dwyer Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 He sounded like a nice, simple guy who had gone back to basics. Respect.Exactly RIP Neil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 4 hours ago, chopin2 said: I'd wait for the toxicology report, to find out what else was in orange juice..... Whoops!... there it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucjoker Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 4 hours ago, Orac said: Surely the headache that prompted him to take 5 paracetamol should be an indication that something was going wrong before he took the tablets. yep, i suspect the cow ......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 19 minutes ago, jacknorman said: He passed out dead in her arms almost immediately and she called police. even if she thought he was dead, he might be retriveable like people been under water for 30 minutes, shouldn't she called an ambulance first Hello jacknorman. Are you still over there in England? Dial 999 and all that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, lucjoker said: yep, i suspect the cow ......... What, the one he just grass fed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 23 minutes ago, jacknorman said: He passed out dead in her arms almost immediately and she called police. even if she thought he was dead, he might be retriveable like people been under water for 30 minutes, shouldn't she called an ambulance first You still in London then...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickmouse1 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I can not believe my eyes,NO 1 accused the wife yet....well I would wait for the autopsy report before I pass a judgement or draw the usual conclusion ?RIP man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickmouse1 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Strange that the wife decided what killed her husband instead of waiting for the authorities to submit the corner's report, Or was she trying a preemptive "action" I ask ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucjoker Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, NanLaew said: What, the one he just grass fed? No,the jealous one ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F4UCorsair Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, nausea said: A bit young, but I agree with your sentiments. When I go I hope it's this way - quick. Regarding the wife - just hope his affairs were in order, with a will made, etc.. That's one potential disadvantage of a quick, unexpected death. Five paracetamol is a bit much but isn't enough to cause death by overdose, so probably some kind of heart problem. Wonder if taking aspirin, as opposed to paracetamol, might've made a difference; I actually carry aspirin on me for just this sort of eventuality. Also, probably didn't know he had a problem, relatively younger older guys (40s/50s) can tend to ignore health till there's some obvious symptom. I only found out about high BP in my 50s when I had some some dental work done. The greater potential, nah, REAL disadvantage is that you're DEAD!! No more great food or drink. That's as bad as it gets. Whilst not finger pointing, how many wives know exactly when their husbands last saw a doctor, and exactly what caused their deaths. I do hope she had no involvement. 53 is waaaaaay too young to leave the 'building'. Edited June 8, 2017 by F4UCorsair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Miller Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Five tablets are a bit much, and agree that water would have been better, but there is a bit of woo woo going on in some of the posts. I would not necessarily draw a connection between a headache and sudden severe chest pain. Sounds like an MI, and I have had a couple, luckily not severe enough to kill me. RIP, and condolences to his widow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 minute ago, Mickmouse1 said: Strange that the wife decided what killed her husband instead of waiting for the authorities to submit the corner's report, Or was she trying a preemptive "action" I ask ? Don't be so stupid...........Gawd..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 1 hour ago, CGW said: My take on this, just my opinion is you are treating the symptoms, not the cause, which appears to have been what the was doing? If I had to take pain medication I would want to know why? your body is telling you something is amiss! seriously amiss in this deceased fellows instance! It depends on how frequently I get a headache which is not that often. I think that I may need new spectacles as these are 3 or 4 years old and I spend a fair amount of my time on my computer or reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbj2 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 5 hours ago, trogers said: Medication should always be taken with plain water, and not even mineral water. https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2013/07/01/juice-and-pills-can-be-a-deadly-mix/ What exactly is "plain water" if not mineral water? The stuff that comes out of the tap is not normally considered to be drinkable and the osmotically filtered stuff is actually dangerous to your health (as it contains no mineral salts) so what the hell is a person supposed to drink if not "mineral water" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 36 minutes ago, franklnooner said: Wonder what his wife might gain by his death????? This is thailand after all just sayin. Never want to be worth more dead then alive in the land of smiles. Actually you are not "just saying" at all. Unless you actually know the family and the circumstances you are simply speculating. How about what his wife lost? A husband, friend, provider, and all the things that a family anywhere in the world has. You obviously are either not married, not in a good relationship or perhaps not even in Thailand. Just saying. How about that for speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 I unfortunately know couple of families in the UK who cannot wait 'till their parents "pop off". They do next to nothing for their parents..barely visit them. Please keep any scummy suggestions to yourselvesSent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Overdosage is a big problem. More than 200 million persons take acetaminophen each year. Of these, about 200 persons a year die of fulminant hepatic failure from acetaminophen overdosage.[1,2] The median acute dose causing liver failure is 24 g (48 extra-strength tablets).[3] Approximately half of the overdoses are intentional. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/557074 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 50 minutes ago, spacebass said: Paracetemol is dangerous once you have taken too many nothing can save You. I always thought about 20 would do the trick but not 5. after taking too many you have up to 8 hours to receive treatment. Admit patients with acetaminophen concentrations above the "possible" line on the Rumack-Matthew nomogram for treatment with N-acetylcysteine (NAC). Treat patients with evidence of hepatic failure, metabolic acidosis, coagulopathy, and/or encephalopathy in an intensive care unit (ICU). Transfer patients with evidence of clinically significant hepatotoxicity to a medical facility with intensive care support and liver transplant services. Early administration of NAC after suspected acetaminophen overdose is most essential. [30] NAC is nearly 100% hepatoprotective when it is given within 8 hours after an acute acetaminophen ingestion. Guidelines from the American College of Emergency Physicians recommend the use of NAC to treat acute acetaminophen overdose in patients with either possible or probable risk for hepatotoxicity, according to the Rumack-Matthew nomogram, and ideally within 8-10 hours post ingestion. [31] http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/820200-treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanrchase Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Paracetamol will take a few days to kill and 2500 mg is not a fatal dose, she is lying or just wrong 24g of Paracetamol is generally accepted to be a fatal dose. The lowest amount of Paracetamol to cause death was found by one study to be 10g. As for Paracetamol of 500mg per tablet, it is generally recommended to take no more than 8 tablets (500mg) within 24 hours, and 24 to 30 tablets taken at one time can lead to overdose or even death.As far as I am aware the wife is not a medical expert. She noted that he took five paracetamol and it may have contributed to his death. It was a statement to the police not a medical opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastos60 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 They don't mention the dosage he was taking. If he was taking the 1mg pills that would have already been an overdose. since he took that many pills for the headache, it might have been a brain aneurysm, the elevated stress that comes with the pain could then have lead to a heartattack. When you have severe headaches, don't just take some painkillers, go see a doctor immediately. I lost my sister earlier this year, she had suffered a brain aneurysm and had fluid buildup in her brain. We actually suspect she had a mild one a few years back from which she recovered without medical intervention (she just plain passed out while eating), doctors in the hospital found dried blood in the brain from an earlier episode. She was also the type to take extra medication instead of seeing the doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuiDui48 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, Orac said: Surely the headache that prompted him to take 5 paracetamol should be an indication that something was going wrong before he took the tablets. Headache..just in from working..me think Dehydration...Add to that the weather situation right now..hot and humid. Edited June 8, 2017 by DuiDui48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 8 minutes ago, Bastos60 said: They don't mention the dosage he was taking. If he was taking the 1mg pills that would have already been an overdose. since he took that many pills for the headache, it might have been a brain aneurysm, the elevated stress that comes with the pain could then have lead to a heartattack. When you have severe headaches, don't just take some painkillers, go see a doctor immediately. I lost my sister earlier this year, she had suffered a brain aneurysm and had fluid buildup in her brain. We actually suspect she had a mild one a few years back from which she recovered without medical intervention (she just plain passed out while eating), doctors in the hospital found dried blood in the brain from an earlier episode. She was also the type to take extra medication instead of seeing the doctor. are u saying 5 . 1mg tylenol pills is an overdose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Some of these painkillers are Realy powerful . Had some prescription only from a big Hospital. Paracetamol and Tramodol .3 times a day for one week .Took the first one only and was fine for a day..had one more, and no more.. easy to see why he died,rather sad.Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastos60 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 Just now, atyclb said: are u saying 5 . 1mg tylenol pills is an overdose? It is 1 gram, not 1 mg. my mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabula Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 6 hours ago, tonray said: First taking 5 paracetamol is foolish. Secondly if he was a drinker, 5 pills could have seriously compromised an already stressed liver. This is well documented with this common painkiller. Read the label folks and don't be stupid. It's a fever reducer. The medical definition says nothing about pain relief?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kabula said: It's a fever reducer. The medical definition says nothing about pain relief?? https://www.drugs.com/paracetamol.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve73 Posted June 8, 2017 Share Posted June 8, 2017 If he was lying in the hammock when taking the pills he could easily have "swallowed them down the wrong hole" and choked. Especially if he tried swallowing them all at once. This could explain the beating of his chest trying to dislodge them. RIP - much too young.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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