Expat caught on video attacking Thai woman outside bar in Rayong

[observer90210]

Very true....we all see often locals giving their gals a nasty lesson in public....consequently, when controverse arrises, many expats claim,  why "them" and not "us"?...

 

Two ideas come to mind.....first, it is not because others are jerks or a**h***s or worse,  that it should validate one's own temptation to do same?

 

Second, wheather the Thai on the video is right or wrong...one thing is for sure, he is in his country, whereas the drunk guy bashing the Thai girl, is a guest in this country....

 

It may be a hard perception for some, but the local does have a point in attempting to educate a foreigner giving a trashing to a local lady, despite the fact that some locals probably do worse....

 

On a more human and civilised approach, the gal was obviously jealous or angry and cought her boy redhanded?  .. whatever but still...

 

No excuse to puch a lady as badly as described.  At most he could have just pinned her down to stop her frenzy assaults....

Edited June 26, 2017 by observer90210

[JGV]

It's all about oversized macho egotism or maybe  a perceived oversized appendage on another part of the body

Farangs are like this, Thais are like this as is most of the male human species - castrate the lot of them and then we can all live in peace

Not a fan of males wherever they come from

[elliss]

5 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

 

We are talking about ladies working in a bar, right?

 

  You get  what   you buy . 555

   

[animatic]

Looks like he grabbed her butt as he came past her and then said something.

She lost it and snapped. He lost his way almost instantly. Misogynist ass. 

[SiamBeast]

Attacking a woman is bad.

 

BUT. If she slaps you in the face first, she kind of deserves it.

 

I do not avocate violence against women, but let's be realistic: saying "never touch a woman" means that she can do whatever she wants, slap, yell at people, and get away with it all. There's a limit, and I think this girl reached it. But again, if you reply with physical violence, at least make it proportional to the situation - replying to a slap with a full-on beating is disproportionate.

 

Let's never forget the smart approach: Leave the place once you start feeling trouble coming your way before all of this needs to happen.

Edited June 26, 2017 by SiamBeast

[clashpie]

The gentleman concerned and the lady (Thai) both were at fault in relation to what started the fight and their over reactions.

Handbags at dawn springs to mind here....not really impressed with any man that lashes out at a woman but I suppose alcohol may have clouded his judgement and I am sure he regrets what he did in the cold light of day and the fact he has no doubt been seen to hit a woman on the net by thousands of folk already which I doubt he will ever live down.

[Rc2702]

1 minute ago, SiamBeast said:

Attacking a woman is bad.

 

BUT. If she slaps you in the face first, she kind of deserves it.

 

I do not avocate violence against women, but let's be realistic: saying "never touch a woman" means that she can do whatever she wants, slap, yell at people, and get away with it all. There's a limit, and I think this girl reached it. But again, if you reply with physical violence, at least make it proportional to the situation - replying to a slap with a full-on beating is disproportionate.

Nah come on beast he touched her up he deserved a slap and if left at that then all is well but he got a slap in then launched at her. I reckon his bar will now attract a lot of undesirables looking for round 2. 

[SiamBeast]

2 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

Nah come on beast he touched her up he deserved a slap and if left at that then all is well but he got a slap in then launched at her. I reckon his bar will now attract a lot of undesirables looking for round 2. 

 

At 1:06 it is unclear whether he touched her - if he grabbed her ass like that out of the blue, then he was in the wrong. We can't see very well.

Edited June 26, 2017 by SiamBeast

[Rc2702]

Just now, SiamBeast said:

 

At 0:36 it is unclear whether he touched her - if he grabbed her ass like that out of the blue, then he was in the wrong. We can't see very well.

It's pretty clear from what I saw he touched her up and her immediate reaction confirms it otherwise the whole incident would have never occurred. 

[TechnikaIII]

6 hours ago, Jeremy50 said:

Bunch of morons indulging in the world's last legal drug. It's hard to know who would be the more unpleasant to meet, the hookers, or the drunk Aussie with the caustic voice.

I don't give a damn about why the girl slapped the guy in the first place, but you can be sure he earned it. The fact that he then attacked  her with such force indicates that he's a drop kick and deserving more of hiding, .. and blahh blahh blahh 

Ohh but yes, as you say: "the drunk Aussie with the caustic voice" .. isn't it revolting??

[clashpie]

Siam...when any man 'slaps' a woman even if she deserves it like you say it is wrong!

They are supposed to be the weaker sex and just look at the size difference here!!!

If this bloke slaps a woman in public, doesn't it make you wonder what he might do to a woman (girlfriend/wife) in private?

If any of my mates slapped a woman on a night out in town he would probably get a slapping from me and my mates...its a big no no mate....you just don't do it!

 

 

Edited June 26, 2017 by clashpie

[the guest]

6 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

 

We are talking about ladies working in a bar, right?

 

So that means you have the right to handle and grope them? If this was Europe then, criminal charges would be pressed. Foreigners are in Thailand at the pleasure of the country, essentially guests, no more than that. As guests,you have a right to act accordingly. If not, then you must leave the country, very simple !

[SiamBeast]

6 minutes ago, clashpie said:

Siam...when any man 'slaps' a woman even if she deserves it like you say is wrong!

They are supposed to be the weaker sex and just look at the size difference here!!!

If this bloke slaps a woman in public, doesn't it make you wonder what he might do to a woman (girlfriend/wife) in private?

If any of my mates slapped a woman on a night out in town he would probably get a slapping from me and my mates...its a big no no mate....you just don't do it!

 

 

 

A fundamental principle is called "female accountability". Just because you're a woman doesn't mean that you can get away with everything.

 

There are two hypothesis with this video:

1) At 1:06, the man grabbed the girl's ass out of the blue - if so, the slap was well deserved and that should have been the end of it.

-or-

2) He didn't grab her ass at all, and she slapped him just like that (unlikely) - in which case he can reply with reasonable force.

 

With what Rc2702 pointed out, I think hypothesis #1 is more likely.

 

With regards to female accountability, I am talking about a situation where a woman provokes a man, be it slapping, continuous yelling, etc. without any reason, and with no possibility for the man to get out of it in a diplomatic way. If I'm in a bar with girls nagging me and mocking me, I'd probably just leave the place and avoid confrontation. But if I'm in a public transport or in a closed space where I cannot get out, it's a different story.

 

Nobody respects farangs who get into bar fights, whatever the reason is. Thailand has enough drunk expats causing trouble in bars.

Edited June 26, 2017 by SiamBeast

[6thST]

6 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

 

We are talking about ladies working in a bar, right?

Still her ass! Don't touch! Bar Girl or not...

 

 

[clashpie]

SiamBeast have you ever hit a woman (whether you were in a tight spot or not)?

 

[Laab Muu]

4 hours ago, Catkiwi said:

Real story has broken. The girl that had her ass grabbed was the wife of another customer in the bar. She had just come to pick him up and had had her tits grabbed by Howard prior to her going to sit outside. Howard is this fine establishment's landlord.

 

1 hour ago, Dr Bruce said:

Howard Zimmer is the Canadian owner of the bar. The Australian voice you can hear on the tape is from the Australian customer of the bar. The woman holding Zimmers left arm is his wife who owns the bar. it is her  voice you can hear on the tape saying "she hit him first".

The phone video was taken at the police station where footage supplied by the bar owner was shown.

The woman who beaten up was the wife of a customer who had come to collect her husband from the bar, she had just been groped inside the bar and Zimmer was told forcefully to stop by hismown wife and the Australian customer.

 

When Zimmer was escorted out of his own bar by his wife he then decided to grope the woman again by grabbing her ass.

 

Where is the ladies husband during all of this? 

[fullcave]

6 hours ago, Pungdo said:

If you look closely it appears he grabs or slaps her on the bum, which she takes offence to, so I would suggest he started it and should keep his hands to him self.

 

Oddly they seem to have left that bit out of the story.

[deve8]

The guy, his name is Howard, slapped the girl on the butt as he walked past, she slapped him and he beat her up.. lowlife

Edited June 26, 2017 by deve8

[anon789561]

100k baht compo to the husband and wife if they're willing to accept it. the violent groper guy is obviously scum who thinks he can do what he wants. I hope he gets what he deserves very soon. preferably lose the bar and all his cash to his bar girl wife and decides thailands not really for him

[Prbkk]

1 hour ago, KhunBENQ said:

Congrats.

Exactly that.

 

This "why why" on the video is so funny.

What do they have eyes for?

Of course he grabbed the buttocks of that woman while holding the other in the left arm.

 

Even if both women are considered prostitutes it still does not mean that one can do whatever his drunken brain brings up.

That applies especially to such acts without consent and in open public.

A widespread misconception that cost a lot of bloody noses or worse.

You might remember pictures of such fools battered to inconsciousness by a gang of kathoeys (ladyboys).

 

And the behaviour you describe is that of a control freak; nothing to do with lust, rather it's the alpha male demonstrating his power over his territory ( presumably the bar , in this case). Nothing to do with his nationality either...just a low-life overreacting when he is called out on inappropriate behaviour. Nasty piece of work.

[farcanell]

16 minutes ago, TechnikaIII said:

I don't give a damn about why the girl slapped the guy in the first place, but you can be sure he earned it. The fact that he then attacked  her with such force indicates that he's a drop kick and deserving more of hiding, .. and blahh blahh blahh 

Ohh but yes, as you say: "the drunk Aussie with the caustic voice" .. isn't it revolting??

why the Australian bashing?

 

arent the voices those of the people reviewing the CCTV?

 

hasnt the bloke been identified as Howard Zimmer, a Canadian?

 

admittedly, we aussi's do manage to get in the shit, often enough, but we don't need to own other folks shit.

[Ulic]

Woman assaults man, man treats her as an equal and responds in kind. Things escalate.

Women are in the police force, the military, they want to be treated as equals. You play

with the bull, sometimes you get the horns. Not politically correct, but actually it is.

No reason for violence at any time, but if you wish to dish it out, you should be prepared

to take it as well. Women have knives and guns as well. Move on, nothing to see as far as

I am concerned.

[clashpie]

 If he indeed did grab her bottom then he is in the wrong but she should never have slapped him.

His reaction to being slapped was over the top to say the least.

He looks quite a large bloke so it was a bit of a mismatch and like I have said I am sure he now regrets his actions in the cold light of day.

I have been going to Thailand for over 30 years and I know situations can get out of hand in bars for no reason at all......I was slapped once when I turned down the attention of a lady (Thai) girl in a bar a few years ago....I just smiled...got her a drink and walked out....(where I could here she was being lambasted by her friends who worked in the bar for her actions)...never dreamt of slapping her...like I said maybe I am old fashioned but I was brought up in the UK  to never hit a girl/woman....Sorry.

[ttrd]

1 hour ago, bangkokairportlink said:

 

 

Your wife is your wife until someone else sleeps on her, which can happen anytime you are not here.

 

How ridiculous are people to feel to protect what is theirs just temporally.

 

 

 

All relations in any sense are temporary, the only difference is that some last longer than other. Even the life is temporary - but neither of them include a license to do whatever suits you at all time  ...;)

[SheungWan]

6 hours ago, Orac said:

I can't remember ever walking down the strip in Ban Chang and not getting grabbed.

By a drunk geezer? Lucky you. Did you slap him/them?

Edited June 26, 2017 by SheungWan

[Laab Muu]

2 minutes ago, ttrd said:

Next time you are in a shopping center try to taste the beer or a chocolate before you have paid for it and you will quickly understand that its NOT ok....;)

Usually plenty of free tasters getting handed out to get you interested though.

[gazza4]

7 hours ago, Bagwain said:

Well who is the moron. Australian hey??? 

I have been told that racism is banned from this forum. Must be the old "double standards"

Touché 

[Rc2702]

36 minutes ago, Laab Muu said:

 

Where is the ladies husband during all of this? 

The camera man err person. 

[Rc2702]

1 minute ago, gazza4 said:

I have been told that racism is banned from this forum. Must be the old "double standards"

Touché 

Yh but Gazza it's like 12-0 mate aussies are running  an absolute mock mate and collecting quite the rep as wreckless crazy drunks and being filmed in all corners making complete plonkers of themself. What's going on mate?

[Laab Muu]

7 minutes ago, Rc2702 said:

The camera man err person. 

Where is he while his wife is being attacked?