Bangkaew Dog

[wildewillie89]

21 minutes ago, hdkane said:

I've never seen one as a true pet, meaning the dog is trained to live with and in a household.  There are several in my area that are soi dogs, and I have a couple that will approach me, tails wagging and seeking attention.  Most are shy and aloof, probably because of the regular abuse they get from Thais.  Based on what I've seen, I think a puppy would be a very good companion, even for a family with small children. These dogs have a lot of energy, so be prepared to walk them a couple of times a day...yes, actual walking with them or engaging them in an activity where you are the leader.  Also, make sure you are ready to take the dog to a vet regularly. So many dogs here are just sick and uncomfortable, which surely contributes to their "aggression".

The current dog is taken on a daily walk during the week, half the time the Mrs and pram join us. Weekends a morning and evening walk. Mostly walk her for socialisation than anything else as she self exercises around the land all night. She sees the walk as one aspect of her work though. She will sit down at the temple entrance for instance and not allow the 20 odd barking dogs out until the pram has passed. 

I take my dog for a yearly (considering pushing to 6 monthly here) CBC and tick disease check up, which includes sending the blood to the vets friend in Bangkok, to get those couple of extra diseases his local clinic cannot do. The vet can do Lyme, Ehrilicha, Anaplasma, but not things like Babesia. 

 

A lot of the dogs here are sick due to not having anti parasite treatments, and mostly because of their poor diet that weakens their immune system I have found. Your standard diseases that are easy to get (depending on where you let your dog play) like your Leptospirosis are usually mild, most dog will not even get symptoms and the disease will pass. However, in Thai, due to immune systems being so weak the dogs do get quiet sick. The dog will be treated effectively, will have a stronger diet, and will have limited interaction (just a quick hello on a walk) with any other dogs, other than the one it lives with obviously. 

[musiclover]

7 hours ago, hdkane said:

I've never seen one as a true pet, meaning the dog is trained to live with and in a household.  There are several in my area that are soi dogs, and I have a couple that will approach me, tails wagging and seeking attention.  Most are shy and aloof, probably because of the regular abuse they get from Thais.  Based on what I've seen, I think a puppy would be a very good companion, even for a family with small children. These dogs have a lot of energy, so be prepared to walk them a couple of times a day...yes, actual walking with them or engaging them in an activity where you are the leader.  Also, make sure you are ready to take the dog to a vet regularly. So many dogs here are just sick and uncomfortable, which surely contributes to their "aggression".

 I would consider that my two dogs are true pets, in that they sleep in the house .....in fact they sleep in my bedroom and one actually sleeps on my bed with me !

 

 They are house dogs and do not roam.. except in the garden and only go out under supervision .

 They bark when the gates open whether it's me or somebody else. and in that sense very good guard dogs 

 When I am alone in the house at night I feel perfectly safe knowing that my two Bangkaew dogs will hear everything and will protect me if any dodgy stranger appears !!!

 

[dingdongrb]

Two things:

 

1) Why do men like large aggressive dogs, is it due to a lack in their manhood size? Don't get me wrong as I can protect both my property and my family without the need to have a large aggressive dog.

 

2) It's distributing to see the video of that small infant tugging at the dog's ear. Yes the dog may love her and see her as family but there's that one chance that the dog will become annoyed and snap!

 

 

[wildewillie89]

12 hours ago, dingdongrb said:

Two things:

 

1) Why do men like large aggressive dogs, is it due to a lack in their manhood size? Don't get me wrong as I can protect both my property and my family without the need to have a large aggressive dog.

 

2) It's distributing to see the video of that small infant tugging at the dog's ear. Yes the dog may love her and see her as family but there's that one chance that the dog will become annoyed and snap!

 

 

1) The area I live my father-in-law is the Mayor. At different times there are threats made against the family. His brother is the boss of the police in the city, so we only know of these threats through the police as they are not direct threats, but rather have been founded through investigation. It is not uncommon, especially coming up to elections, to have a police car patrol up and down. I would much prefer a dog, which is a total marshmallow to its family, than a gun. And a dog that has relevant stopping power that is only used when she feels it is justified (why I socialise her so much). Also being 198cm myself, I like things a little bit more my size. Next time I will choose the small meal though and go hungry...just so I can fit into your idea of being a man lol. Not to mention the post is about Bangkaew dogs, which are not at all 'large'. 

Surely the fact you think you can protect your family and property would just be flying in the face of your own masculinity argument. Kind of a weird comment to follow it with.

2) I was right there, my wife was right there (situation was well supervised). If your belief is to not allow kids to touch dogs, then good luck with the dog not snapping when the kid grows up a little bit and suddenly does something the dog may take a disliking to (the Thai style if you like - why their are so many more biting incidents here than back home as the dogs lives in fear). Obviously when the kid is of an age of comprehension, she will be taught how to respectively treat a dog. And obviously the dog had no issues with the force used, otherwise the dog would have stood up and walked away. The breed is also famous for picking the weakest member in the room and protecting it the most,...why she 'chose' to be so close to the baby, even though she knew what she was in for. 

Edited July 6, 2017 by wildewillie89

[wildewillie89]

27 minutes ago, wildewillie89 said:

1) The area I live my father-in-law is the Mayor. At different times there are threats made against the family. His brother is the boss of the police in the city, so we only know of these threats through the police as they are not direct threats, but rather have been founded through investigation. It is not uncommon, especially coming up to elections, to have a police car patrol up and down. I would much prefer a dog, which is a total marshmallow to its family, than a gun. And a dog that has relevant stopping power that is only used when she feels it is justified (why I socialise her so much). Also being 198cm myself, I like things a little bit more my size. Next time I will choose the small meal though and go hungry...just so I can fit into your idea of being a man lol. Not to mention the post is about Bangkaew dogs, which are not at all 'large'. 

Surely the fact you think you can protect your family and property would just be flying in the face of your own masculinity argument. Kind of a weird comment to follow it with.

2) I was right there, my wife was right there (situation was well supervised). If your belief is to not allow kids to touch dogs, then good luck with the dog not snapping when the kid grows up a little bit and suddenly does something the dog may take a disliking to (the Thai style if you like - why their are so many more biting incidents here than back home as the dogs lives in fear). Obviously when the kid is of an age of comprehension, she will be taught how to respectively treat a dog. And obviously the dog had no issues with the force used, otherwise the dog would have stood up and walked away. The breed is also famous for picking the weakest member in the room and protecting it the most,...why she 'chose' to be so close to the baby, even though she knew what she was in for. 

Not to mention, if you read the thread, you failed to see the part where I (male) wanted a Bangkaew dog - which is medium sized. It is the Mrs (female) that wants the bigger (some may say more aggressive to strangers) breed of dog. Now I know there are a lot of transgender people in Thailand, but seeing as clearly we have a baby, I don't quite think she is worrying about lacking in 'manhood size'. She just feels from her 29 years experience in the country, that the bigger dog would be a better deterrent in 'our' situation. Which I fully understand is different to many other peoples situation. 

Edited July 6, 2017 by wildewillie89

[robblok]

I got a Bangkaew, yes they are aggressive, but it depends on the dog.I have had 2 of them mother and pup. Mother died and was aggressive towards unfamiliar people. The male dog I have now is only aggressive against other dogs. I raised him wrong i did not know what kind of dog it was. I got it from the mother of my wife. It was my first dog, i don't think its a good dog to have as a first dog. If your experienced with dogs I think it could be a good dog. 

 

I love my dog a lot but he can be a lot to handle.. for some reason he likes females (human) and if there are girls in the house he will growl at me when I come to close. Me the one who gives him his food.. walks with him and so on. So i definitely did something wrong at some point. Anyway i can live with him and he can live with me. He is now 9 years old and when we are alone he is the best dog in the world. 

 

His mother was far easier to handle and always stayed close to me too my side in all things. 

[robblok]

On 5-7-2017 at 6:42 AM, wildewillie89 said:

The current dog is taken on a daily walk during the week, half the time the Mrs and pram join us. Weekends a morning and evening walk. Mostly walk her for socialisation than anything else as she self exercises around the land all night. She sees the walk as one aspect of her work though. She will sit down at the temple entrance for instance and not allow the 20 odd barking dogs out until the pram has passed. 

I take my dog for a yearly (considering pushing to 6 monthly here) CBC and tick disease check up, which includes sending the blood to the vets friend in Bangkok, to get those couple of extra diseases his local clinic cannot do. The vet can do Lyme, Ehrilicha, Anaplasma, but not things like Babesia. 

 

A lot of the dogs here are sick due to not having anti parasite treatments, and mostly because of their poor diet that weakens their immune system I have found. Your standard diseases that are easy to get (depending on where you let your dog play) like your Leptospirosis are usually mild, most dog will not even get symptoms and the disease will pass. However, in Thai, due to immune systems being so weak the dogs do get quiet sick. The dog will be treated effectively, will have a stronger diet, and will have limited interaction (just a quick hello on a walk) with any other dogs, other than the one it lives with obviously. 

I gave my dog front-line and even that did not prevent him getting sick. I was lucky that he had to go to the Dr for an other unrelated problem. They did a blood check pre operation and found that he had the start of a blood disease. We caught it in time he had to take antibiotics for a month (hard to do as he hates taking pils, but in peanut butter its ok). 

 

Now I just let the vet check him once in a while because you like you said you don't always notice that they are sick. You seem to know a lot about dogs. I had to all learn it and still learning. 

 

Not sure I will take an other dog if this one dies though.. i learned that dogs really lock you to your home.. traveling and going somewhere for short periods is hard unless you know people who want to take care of your dog. 

[wildewillie89]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

I gave my dog front-line and even that did not prevent him getting sick. I was lucky that he had to go to the Dr for an other unrelated problem. They did a blood check pre operation and found that he had the start of a blood disease. We caught it in time he had to take antibiotics for a month (hard to do as he hates taking pils, but in peanut butter its ok). 

 

Now I just let the vet check him once in a while because you like you said you don't always notice that they are sick. You seem to know a lot about dogs. I had to all learn it and still learning. 

 

Not sure I will take an other dog if this one dies though.. i learned that dogs really lock you to your home.. traveling and going somewhere for short periods is hard unless you know people who want to take care of your dog. 

Front-line doesn't work as effectively as other treatments out there. Back home it would be sufficient, but not here in Thai unfortunately. 

I will check my dogs bloods every 6 months. Many diseases, whether tick borne, Lepto, whatever,  can show no symptoms a lot of the time. A lot of the time the diseases will also be eliminated by the dog naturally (if it has a strong immune system), others will turn into a chronic form - which may or may not be severe. Seeing as the diseases are generally pretty easy to treat (antibiotics), it's best just to keep an eye out for symptoms (lack of energy, no appetite, vomit etc), and obviously do routine checks. As the longer you wait, the harder they become to treat. 

 

Yes, dogs are a massive responsibility. The Mrs always talks about travelling, but I always say no due to the dogs. We have the in-laws 500 metres away who take care of them if we are forced to travel (work, medical etc). But it will only ever be 1-2 nights away. Although not a huge fan of dogs, she has now learnt what great companions and protectors they can be (if brought up not beating the crap out of them, like Thai do). 

[cornishcarlos]

This is my boy... Approx 16yrs old, I think... We have had him 7.5yrs

Hydro therapy for his dodgy hips but he forgot how to swim :)

[wildewillie89]

Just now, cornishcarlos said:

This is my boy... Approx 16yrs old, I think... We have had him 7.5yrs

Hydro therapy for his dodgy hips but he forgot how to swim :)

Definitely the best form of therapy for dodgy hips! Looking good for 16

[aak241]

I have a Bangkaew. Definitely not recommended for a house with kids bc the dog will bite your kids friends. My dog is good with me, very loyal great off leash but he is very dog aggressive and he is aggressive with people who come over to my house. He won’t let anyone but me leash and walk him so leaving him when I go on vacation is hard. He’s incredibly cute but everything they say about bangkaews is true. I got mine thru an agency that said he was a border collie and only much later did I find out he was Bangkaew 

[user343434]

Mix a Bang Kaew with a German Shepherd to get the No fear and Smart Learning Dog..

worked only partial bust still the Bang kaew Guard Dog and Family Protector is present.

The good result is the color.

 

He spent over 1 month in the Dog hospital near tesco sukuhumvit as he tried to rule up a group of street dogs with a kind of rottweiler leader.. No fear at all that boy. 

 

 

I am still looking for a similar bitch for him as I fear the day when we part and he goes to heaven..

Some Puppies with this Fur and his character would may be making it easier.  

[topt]

On 11/10/2018 at 3:05 AM, See Will said:

The good result is the color.

Great looking dog

[user343434]

6 hours ago, topt said:

Great looking dog

Cheers mate

 

he is a bit of a fruit cake and has some character but respectful and totally loyal to his owners.

He was a stray dog puppy but I have seen his parents, mum a Bang Kaew and father a pure German Shepherd breed.

I would love to find an even picture bitch of him. The brother is some other blood line but also a great Dog to have. Whenever I come home he runs hectic around finds an old bone, stick or leaf and gives it to me as a welcome back gift.. 

 

   

[albertik]

On ‎7‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 5:04 PM, Arjen said:

Dear WildeWillie89,

 

I suppose you do not believe what I will tell you now, but I give it a try.

 

You are correct, Bang-Kaews are very stubborn, same as you, so that is a good match (I am serious) 

Realise, a stubborn dog is different from a untrainable dog. A Bang-Keaw is not, or close to untrainable.

 

They are great for the owner. They will not accept any visitors. It means when you have a visitor, you must lock your Bang-Kaew. They are great guards, they are very brave. They do not know "fear" and they do not know "pain" .

 

Correcting a Bang-Kaew does not have any influence on them. They do not care. Punishing a Bang-kaew is similar as trying to have Mohammed Ali punished by a 4 year old girl by hitting him in his face. He will notice it, he will not be happy, he will even get angry, but he does not recognise it as a correction or a punishment.

 

I have a lot of experience with this bread. They are great as guard, they are not trainable.

 

When they are you do not have a genuine Bang-Kaew.

As it looks from your question you suoppose you are able to train them. You are wrong with this. All Bang-Kaews I owned, are friendly till 1.5, two years of age, and thrn they start to guard. And when a bag-Kaew guards, they guard.

 

I am not waiting for a new discussion with you where you try to teach me how wrong I see things, probably you will explain how good you are in training dogs. 

 

Just buy your (genuine!!!) Bang-Kaew.

 

Goodluck with it!

 

Arjen.

I have a Bangkaew and I couldn't agree with you more.

[wildewillie89]

Funny how things all work out. Arjen and I have formed an unlikely friendship outside of the forum. I think we will continue to have very different thinking but I also think that is a very good thing as it brings in many variables from both sides so covers a lot more bases.

I think the issue with this sub topic was it came off the back of a few other heated discussions. The other issue was it seems most people on this forum went from popular or modern breeds (reliant on master/different kind of intelligence) to Bangkaews so the gap between temperaments was gigantic. I was going from breeds that have been around for thousands of years and were forced to hunt their own food a lot of the time and had to think for themselves whilst working without the constant presence of a master. So the gap was that bit smaller in my mind. Was just looking for any minor details that people could add on top of what I had already seen. 

In the end after sitting down with the family and discussing the legitimate threats (particularly during election times) we went with a Fila. As a previous poster said, a radical dog. The first night we got him he wouldn't let anyone touch him, tried to attack anyone who went near the car and even stood up against the giant Caucasian. 24hrs later wouldn't leave my side. If got up and moved one cushion on the sofa he would get up and follow you. Next day he snapped at the vet nurse trying to worm him, but allowed me to stick my hand down his throat. Considered one of the most faithful dog, and incredibly patient with my two children. the flip side of that is that they are extremely protective - described as xenophobic even with extensive socialisation. 

[wildewillie89]