Jobs forbidden for foreigners - Labor ministry says law is out of date and there will be changes

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, MrPatrickThai said:

You haven't a clue what you're talking about here.

 

Then show me a link that indicates it's easy to obtain PR and then obtain Thai citizenship.  I'm waiting...

[craigt3365]

34 minutes ago, Muggi1968 said:

PR is not required before getting Citizenship....

Can you provide a link that show this?  From what I understand, you need PR first:

http://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/thai-permanent-residency.php

 

It's detailed here:

 

From that post:

Quote

 

Conclusion

I found the whole process extremely time consuming, expensive, draining, disheartening and sometimes baffling as the immigration officials continual requests for difficult to obtain additional information (above and beyond the enormous amount of information called for in the 20+ paragraphs identified in the PR application guidance form) kept my lawyer, my company accountant, and myself busy preparing and obtaining the official documents needed in the 2 inch thick plus pack that represented my business and family history going back over many years.

There are also other processing payments beyond the published PR application fee that I can't talk about here that you should expect for such a high level visa application - your lawyer will advise you about this.

 

 

Hardly an easy process.

[craigt3365]

More good info:

 

You are eligible to apply for Thai citizenship after 5 years with PR, not 10 years but you also need to be working with a WP and paying tax. Another route is now available for expats working in Thailand married to Thai women since 2008. They can bypass PR completely and apply for citizenship directly after 3 years of marriage (1 with a child) and 3 years of working with a WP and tax receipts. That is a lot cheaper than PR and confers far greater benefits.

[Echo Tango]

I know this is true for international law, but I thought you wanted to fly domestic. 
 
So-so? Could you say in Thai, "we're taking a detour because of  thunderstorm is forecast"? 

English is used in every cockpit, control tower and ATC facility on planet earth per ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) regulations.

If you used a VHF scanner at any airport in Thailand, you would hear THAI aircrews and Thai ATC speaking English because that is the only language that is allowed to be used. Thailand is a member of ICAO, just like every other country.

Back to the original subject: it would be fun to fly in Thailand, but they won't let me.

[seancbk]

1 hour ago, Muggi1968 said:

My Thai friend moved to BKK so his chinese wife could become Thai citizen...

Only cost him 400000 Baht and took less than a year 

Up country he told me, it would cost 1.2 Mill and take 2-3 Years....

TIT

 

P.s

I took the citizen ship test in Bangkok 2 years ago and passed.....

 

Citizenship or Permanent Residency?

Do you have a Thai Passport?  

[Muggi1968]

The requirements for PR and Citizenship is almost the same...
Except you have to speak better Thai and sing the national Song for the citizen ship...

Thw stop of new citizen ship since 2006 I do not belive. since I was invited by RTN to take the citizen test in 2014.
And I had a long meeting with a friend in RTN that handles the application for Citizen ship,

who also recommented me to move to BKK before I apply, since the processing time in BKK is faster.

I think there are many people who listen to "fake" news.

Immigration once told me NOT to listen to people in the internet.
They told me to come and ask them instead

 

[Dave67]

25 minutes ago, Muggi1968 said:

That is correct

 

You have to Stay on long term visa (1 year) If you do a visa run with not teentry pemit the 5 year will be reset.

Thai wife and children make it easier.
If you have a Thai f\wife you can actually apply after 3 years.

I now this because I went through the test at RTP in Bangkok.
(But the law can have changed)

P.s.
I got 72 points but desided not to apply because the RTP required me to terminate my original citizenship.
(Maybe because I did not offer any tea money 5555)
 

 

Thanks, no I  wouldn't terminate my citizenship either will come handy when my kids are older. Girl has Thai passport was born in UK and has indefinite leave to remain. The boy has Thai passport and is my estranged wife's birth certificate away from a British passport. He can get that when he is 17 next year or I can get it by other means which I have looked into. Just Musing about PR and Citizenship but it's not for me. I'll keep going with my multi entry spousal until I retire in  a few years or 10

[Muggi1968]

7 minutes ago, seancbk said:

Citizenship or Permanent Residency?

Do you have a Thai Passport?  

No. I was told to go to my embassy and cancel my existing Citizen ship...

so I desided to stay "Farrang"  and save 97500 Baht.
(The 9700 Baht for applying was lost)

P.s

My contry allow dual citizenship

 

And I really do not think the yearly visa extension and the tm47 is a big issue anyway.
I just  wanted to be able to work without needing a workpermit....
 

Edited July 21, 2017 by Muggi1968

[kannot]

2 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

There is no easier path to permanent residence for women married to Thais but there is an easier path to citizenship.  It was made easier for males with Thai wives to apply for citizenship in 2008, athough this fell short of full parity because the foreign males still need to be working in Thailand but no longer need permanent residence first.   

 

The reason that foreign males married to Thais didn't get full parity with foreign women over citizenship was that it was considered a matter of national security.  With at least 4 million foreign migrant workers in the country today, they would probably feel more threatened by the idea than in 2008.  Hundreds of citizenship applications by foreign women, mainly from neighbouring countries, married to Thais were delayed for many years but, surprisingly were all approved by the military government.  

 

The flip side is that is relatively easy compared to other countries for a foreigner married to a stay in Thailand indefinitely on a marriage extension, simply by showing US$12,000 in a bank account. If you have qualifications that Thailand needs, you can easily find a job with work permit paying at least 40,000 a month on a marriage extension and apply for citizenship after three years.  The UK, for example, will not permit British citizens to bring no-EU spouses to live unless they can show income of GBP 28,000 a year plus 3,400 for each minor child, a rule that is mercilessly dividing families.

isnt that £18600, and threr is also a £60000 in  the bank option i believe

[Dave67]

5 minutes ago, Muggi1968 said:

No. I was told to go to my embassy and cancel my existing Citizen ship...

so I desided to stay "Farrang"  and save 97500 Baht.
(The 9700 Baht for applying was lost)

P.s

My contry allow dual citizenship

 

And I really do not think the yearly visa extension and the tm47 is a big issue anyway.
I just  wanted to be able to work without needing a workpermit....
 

Awwww that was a close one thanks for sharing

[craigt3365]

11 minutes ago, Muggi1968 said:

No. I was told to go to my embassy and cancel my existing Citizen ship...

so I desided to stay "Farrang"  and save 97500 Baht.
(The 9700 Baht for applying was lost)

P.s

My contry allow dual citizenship

 

And I really do not think the yearly visa extension and the tm47 is a big issue anyway.
I just  wanted to be able to work without needing a workpermit....
 

You canceled your existing citizenship?  Please elaborate

 

[seancbk]

7 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

20 minutes ago, Muggi1968 said:

No. I was told to go to my embassy and cancel my existing Citizen ship...

so I desided to stay "Farrang"  and save 97500 Baht.
(The 9700 Baht for applying was lost)

P.s

My contry allow dual citizenship

 

And I really do not think the yearly visa extension and the tm47 is a big issue anyway.
I just  wanted to be able to work without needing a workpermit....
 

You canceled your existing citizenship?  Please elaborate

 

He said that the Thais wanted him to cancel his existing citizenship in order to get Thai citizenship.

He chose not to do that so did not complete the process of getting Thai citizenship and therefore did not have to pay the 97500 THB citizenship fee.

It seems strange that they would require that given there are many Thais with dual citizenship.  

 

[seancbk]

35 minutes ago, Muggi1968 said:

The requirements for PR and Citizenship is almost the same...
Except you have to speak better Thai and sing the national Song for the citizen ship...

Thw stop of new citizen ship since 2006 I do not belive. since I was invited by RTN to take the citizen test in 2014.
And I had a long meeting with a friend in RTN that handles the application for Citizen ship,

who also recommented me to move to BKK before I apply, since the processing time in BKK is faster.

I think there are many people who listen to "fake" news.

Immigration once told me NOT to listen to people in the internet.
They told me to come and ask them instead

 

 

RTN ?

Royal Thai Navy?  

 

[MrPatrickThai]

52 minutes ago, Muggi1968 said:

No. I was told to go to my embassy and cancel my existing Citizen ship...

so I desided to stay "Farrang"  and save 97500 Baht.
(The 9700 Baht for applying was lost)

P.s

My contry allow dual citizenship

 

And I really do not think the yearly visa extension and the tm47 is a big issue anyway.
I just  wanted to be able to work without needing a workpermit....
 

Now there are two posters who haven't a clue what they are talking about.

 

Applying for citizenship costs 5,000 baht.

 

You're obviously thinking about Permanent Residency, which makes your previous posts even more bizarre!!

[MrPatrickThai]

3 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Citizenship for most of here will never, ever happen.  Close to impossible.  I got US citizenship for my wife in 3 years in the US.  Easy process and not expensive.

Do you work? 

 

How old are you?

 

If so, it is easy, all you need is 3 year of tax receipts on over 40,000 income.

 

If you're retired, then it hardly surprising that can't get citizenship.

[craigt3365]

2 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Do you work? 

 

If so, it is easy, all you need is 3 year of tax receipts on over 40,000 income.

 

If you're retired, then it hardly surprising that can't get citizenship.

I retired at 46 and have no desire to go back to work.  Luckily, I don't have to.

 

I also don't live here full time.  I travel about 5 months out of the year. 

 

You still didn't address my last reply where I said it was much easier to get citizenship in the US than here.  Seems your not sure of this? LOL

 

I just don't like people posting info that's not correct.

Edited July 21, 2017 by craigt3365

[MrPatrickThai]

2 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

I retired at 46 and have no desire to go back to work.  Luckily, I don't have to.

 

I also don't live here full time.  I travel about 5 months out of the year. 

 

You still didn't address my last reply where I said it was much easier to get citizenship in the US than here.  Seems your not sure of this? LOL

 

I just don't like people posting info that's not correct.

I have not posted anything incorrect.

 

As I thought -  you are just googling information to try to seem as if you know what your talking about.

 

You don't even know the difference between PR and Citizenship. Go troll elsewhere. Glad I'm not retired at 46. 

 

 

 

 

[craigt3365]

36 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

I have not posted anything incorrect.

 

As I thought -  you are just googling information to try to seem as if you know what your talking about.

 

You don't even know the difference between PR and Citizenship. Go troll elsewhere. Glad I'm not retired at 46.

You said it was easier to get citizenship here than in the US.  That is incorrect.  The US is a melting pot of people with thousands becoming citizens every year.  Guaranteed that doesn't happen here. LOL

 

I know the difference between PR and citizenship.  Talk about trolling....LOL

[MrPatrickThai]

6 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

You'll need to provide a credible link to prove this.  You need to become a permanent resident first.  Only a small number of these are approved each year.  Sometimes, it's a very small number.  Get your facts straight.

 

https://www.justlanded.com/english/Thailand/Thailand-Guide/Visas-Permits/Permanent-residence
 

 

Wrong,  you said you were married to a Thai and I said, without realizing you were in a retirement visa, that you only need to have worked for 3 years with a salary of more than 40,000. 

Wrong, I didn't need to get PR first, as I am married to a Thai.

Like I said, you don't  know the regulations at all -  sounds like sour grapes again from a pensioner, who thinks they should be able to gain citizenship. Sorry, I'm probably confusing you talking about Citizenship and PR in the same post. 

Now let's see if you can admit you were wrong. 

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Wrong,  you said you were married to a Thai and I said, without realizing you were in a retirement visa, that you only need to have worked for 3 years with a salary of more than 40,000. 

Wrong, I didn't need to get PR first, as I am married to a Thai.

Like I said, you don't  know the regulations at all -  sounds like sour grapes again from a pensioner, who thinks they should be able to gain citizenship. Sorry, I'm probably confusing you talking about Citizenship and PR in the same post. 

Now let's see if you can admit you were wrong. 

Can't admit I'm wrong as you're completely missing the point. Carry on though.

[The Dark Lord]

On 20/07/2017 at 2:44 AM, inThailand said:

Will posting on TV require a work permit?

No but I can foresee the need for a certificate of mental health......

[inThailand]

1 minute ago, The Dark Lord said:

No but I can foresee the need for a certificate of mental health......

5555!

 

So only the mentally certified can post? So not much will change on TV?

[ramrod711]

On ‎7‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 8:08 PM, snoop1130 said:

In fact the only things that non-specialists could engage in were manual labor and housework.

This is bad news, my wife will be after me to clean up after myself. Is mowing my lawn illegal? I certainly hope so.

[metisdead]

Some offensive posts have been removed. 

[MrPatrickThai]

12 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Can't admit I'm wrong as you're completely missing the point. Carry on though.

I could suggest ways and spiritual benefits of admitting when one is wrong, but won't unless asked.

 

Missing what point. The point is, you thought you needed PR before getting Citizenship. You were wrong until it was pointed out to you. Hardly rocket science.

[craigt3365]

1 minute ago, MrPatrickThai said:

I could suggest ways and spiritual benefits of admitting when one is wrong, but won't unless asked.

 

Missing what point. The point is, you thought you needed PR before getting Citizenship. You were wrong until it was pointed out to you. Hardly rocket science.

You seem to have a comprehension problem.  I said it wasn't harder to get citizenship in the US than it is here.

 

Time to move on if you can.  And no more nasty PM's, please.

[Tilacme]

5 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

You seem to have a comprehension problem.  I said it wasn't harder to get citizenship in the US than it is here.

 

Time to move on if you can.  And no more nasty PM's, please.

 

6 hours ago, MrPatrickThai said:

I could suggest ways and spiritual benefits of admitting when one is wrong, but won't unless asked.

 

Missing what point. The point is, you thought you needed PR before getting Citizenship. You were wrong until it was pointed out to you. Hardly rocket science.

Jia yen yen

[aboctok]

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