Grandfather rights

[Epidemiologist Dave]

I have been living continuously in Thailand for 8 years using extensions based on Retirement. I am thinking of changing to an extension based on marriage. How will this affect any future grandfather rights?

[ubonjoe]

It would not change the grandfathered rights at all since there are none.

If there was change to the financial requirements you would get whatever they are for marriage instead of retirement.

[lopburi3]

You will lose any grandfather rights relating to retirement (which was received last time there was a change).

[Epidemiologist Dave]

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It would not change the grandfathered rights at all since there are none.

If there was change to the financial requirements you would get whatever they are for marriage instead of retirement.

Thanks ubonjoe for your prompt reply.

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

You will lose any grandfather rights relating to retirement (which was received last time there was a change).

Even those were complicated and depended upon a person's age in 1998 since the change was done  to compensate for the devaluation of the baht.

I think if they did it now it might be for a year from the date the change is done to give people time to adjust for the change.

[natway09]

I have never read or seen "any rights" as a Grandfather anywhere not just here.

The visa extension financial requirements are different. Why are you bothering changing?

Need to be a good reason for me .

 

[lopburi3]

This is about "grandfather clause" as in when retirement financials were increased from the previous two tier system to the current much higher 800k requirement those already in the system at the old financials were able to remain using them. 

[Farang99]

I got my first retirement visa on October 20, 1998. The following day the financial requirement was raised from 200K to 800K, but when I did my first extension the following year, I was stuck with the full 800,000 - no suggestion of grandfather rights!

[lopburi3]

4 minutes ago, Farang99 said:

I got my first retirement visa on October 20, 1998. The following day the financial requirement was raised from 200K to 800K, but when I did my first extension the following year, I was stuck with the full 800,000 - no suggestion of grandfather rights!

Visa or extension?  You had to be on an extension of stay from immigration at the time the change was made and not change or have any lapse to continue.  Normally application for an extension would be made prior to the actual date the extension of stay starts so that might have been the factor involved (if your extension of stay start was after the change date).

[ubonjoe]

15 minutes ago, Farang99 said:

I got my first retirement visa on October 20, 1998. The following day the financial requirement was raised from 200K to 800K, but when I did my first extension the following year, I was stuck with the full 800,000 - no suggestion of grandfather rights!

You were a day to early or the wrong age when you applied for the extensions.

From clause 2.22 of the police order.

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(6) An alien who entered the Kingdom before October 21, 1998 and has been consecutively permitted to stay in the Kingdom for retirement shall be subject to the following criteria:
(a) Must be 60 years of age or over and have an annual fixed income with funds maintained in a bank account for the past three months of no less than Baht 200,000 or have a monthly income of no less than Baht 20,000
(b) If less than 60 years of age but not less than 55 years of age, must have an annual fixed income with funds maintained in a bank account for the past three months of no less than Baht 500,000 or have a monthly income of no less than Baht 50,000

 

[Farang99]

12 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You were a day to early or the wrong age when you applied for the extensions.

From clause 2.22 of the police order.

 

It was my first visa, and not an extension, so that is where I was caught out! It is the clause about "consecutively permitted to stay in the kingdom for retirement" - was just getting my first change from tourist to retirement visa.

[JackThompson]

It is speculation that people on a retirement extension now, would get the same "grandfathering" treatment as those who obtained extensions before the last change did.  It is also speculation as to whether the rules for current extensions will be changed, or changed significantly - given significant change would put countless Thai businesses and families in a world of hurt.

 

It really depends on whether the "foreigners out" clique can get their way.  So far, they cannot even manage to get a legal-limit on Tourist-Visa use per-year, so have resorted to bending and breaking rules at some checkpoints and immigration offices, to try to achieve a limited victory in line with their greater objective - a "foreigner-free Thailand" (well, maybe a few HiSos will be allowed).  If that clique ever gets the upper hand, then any "grandfathering" would be limited to non-existent.  But as it would seem this clique must compromise with other factions, who care more about the Thai economy and Thai families whose survival is predicated on foreigner-spending from foreign-wealth, perhaps "grandfathering" is a possibility.

 

If we assume "grandfathering" is part of any future changes to retirement-extensions: By switching to a marriage-based extension, you would be betting on that marriage - not only you and your wife's continuing mutual commitment to the marriage, but her health and survival, as well.  There are no "widow's rights" or "divorcee's rights" here for foreigners, so if you ever had to go back to a retirement-extension, it would be under whatever scheme is active at that time.