'I will keep fighting,' Yingluck says in Facebook post

[Baerboxer]

11 hours ago, Throatwobbler said:

Oh the boring Shin propaganda claim. Why not not let the Thais vote and choose their own leader. One person one vote. Would you like an election or are you scared that the Thai people would choose different to you.

 

 

Why not really stop corruption and bring all those avoiding charges by fleeing to account?

 

You have no way of knowing what the Thai people would choose, neither do I or anyone else. Might be another Thaksin puppet government which will behave exactly like the last. Maybe not.

[Baerboxer]

21 hours ago, JAG said:

Its a really difficult choice isn't it....             Elected

By the votes of the Thai people.

or   (self) appointed, by the guns of the military...

 

 

 

 

Elected by votes, removed by a court for corruption. Dishonest. But hey, she was elected and thought she could do whatever her brother told her too.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

16 hours ago, JAG said:

Yes, how does it go?

 

"Is that a draft of the new constitution in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me?"

 

And what a great little actress she is.

 

Sad, persecuted face. Beaming face when given a few roses. Moved to tears - turned on at will. Laughing and gaffawing with cronies 2 minutes after tears.

 

And after all those outrageous lies she told, she still keeps a straight face.

 

 

[sujoop]

14 hours ago, NCFC said:

22 hours ago, sujoop said:

More poor, poor Pou (Yingluck)... Meanwhile, the poorest farmers weren't even part of the rice scheme... The program was a fraud from the outset. Here's a sample from rice scheme corruption cases - a fictional China deal which links a red-shirt leader,  a Yingluck/Pheu Thai party MP and a Thaksin insider:
 
Dummy firm tied to govt figures
*Guangzhou-based GSSG Import and Export Corporation, was actually represented by a Thai man called Rathanit Sojirakul, who later authorised Phichit-based Nimon Rakdi to (sign) a contract to purchase 5 million tonnes of rice on the company’s behalf. ...Rathanit was a close aide to Pheu Thai MP Rapeephan Phongruangrong, who is the wife of red-shirt leader Arisman Phongruangrong. ...Rathanit, who claimed to be the authorised representative of the Chinese firm, only has Bt64.63 in his bank account...
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/politics/aec/30195106
 
Notable comment from Yingluck's (Thaksin's) Commerce minister:
“(After buying the rice) I won’t be investigating what buyers do with it,” he said.
So, Yingluck + Commerce Minister obviously were not interested in investigating their corruption laden program but some may ask, what happened to the rice in this supposedly innocent 'normal subsidy' deal?
 
*The G-to-G deal was a fake because no rice was exported to the Chinese firm. Instead, the huge amount of milled rice was sold locally at below market price by the Foreign Trade Department to a ghost buyer who then sold the rice at market price to the two Thai firms which have their own rice mills and later on the same amount of rice were pledged with the government at pledging prices which are about 40 percent above market price. The gang, it was alleged, made double profits from the same amount of rice.
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pm-yingluck-probed-connection-fake-rice-deal/
 
'Nimon previously worked at President Agri Trading, a company that was found to have been involved in shady dealings under a rice price-pledging scheme launched in 2003-2004 during Thaksin Shinawatra’s administration.  President Agri is connected to Apichart’s Siam Indica, which was also involved in the scam in 2004'.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/aec/30195106
 
Floods and Rice scheme, connect the dots:
Besides 'losing' multi-billions in the rice scheme, there was also another significant loss event caused by the very same Thaksin program re-launch under Yingluck in 2011. The Democrat Govt advised against planting a 3rd rice crop in the basin but Yingluck's Govt encouraged it to kick off the new rice scheme program (and ordered dams NOT to release water so those same farmers could harvest rice in the basin and plain areas:
 
November 11, 2011
“Decision to delay the release of water from the country's major dams had been made by the government”
('so that farmers could harvest their crops first')
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/aec/30169695
 
And finally this chestnut, the 1st of many attempts to free Thaksin came amidst those same floods:
 
As floods wreak havoc on Thailand, government sneaks in a plan to bring Thaksin Shinawatra home?
Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung, who chaired Tuesday's Cabinet meeting, from which Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra was conspicuously absence, waved off reporters, saying he would address the issue when he is at Parliament Wednesday afternoon. Media reports said that during a high-confidential Cabinet forum Tuesday limited to only a handful numbers of ministers and officials, it was decided that people convicted of corruption would be entitled to receive this year amnesty.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/aec/30170004
 
Back to the current matter - there's a civil liability law which is designed to protect state officials against liability , 'unless they were found to have deliberately violated the laws',  or *to be  found in gross negligence of duty*. Unfortunately Yingluck went along with 'Thaksin speaks - Puea Thai does'. The result was turning a blind eye to multi-billion $$ plunder, therefore guilty of 'gross negligence of duty' as charged, which is NOT excused under the civil liability law.
 
Yet despite obvious malfeasance, massive losses in a rice program which poorest farmers had NO stake in,  plus acerbated floods directly by closing dams to get ill advised rice crops in (to kick off rice scheme)  and then under the cloak of floods, try to sneak in an amnesty for Thaksin, many on this forum still go on saying 'Way to go Yingluck,'....

It's amazing how you've got all that back story, links and even dates all stored tidily away.

Makes me wonder what your 'interest' really is.

Simply  to show some of the details behind current matters so others may be more informed. This is unfortunately highly necessary since left to the likes of a Red leaning Reuters local reporter, similarly BBC's local reporter and other Intnl reporters, they tend to ignore or gloss over pertinent facts in their reporting, instead favouring similar themes ala: ' Voters in the northeast told Reuters earlier this month that the trial against Yingluck had failed to break her family's political machine.'  etc.

[bberrythailand]

Real BIG news ! a Shinawatra in this world would be innocent !

 

 

 

[JAG]

Simply  to show some of the details behind current matters so others may be more informed. This is unfortunately highly necessary since left to the likes of a Red leaning Reuters local reporter, similarly BBC's local reporter and other Intnl reporters, they tend to ignore or gloss over pertinent facts in their reporting, instead favouring similar themes ala: ' Voters in the northeast told Reuters earlier this month that the trial against Yingluck had failed to break her family's political machine.'  etc.

Do you need a stepladder to climb into bed?
There appear to be so many"reds' hiding under it...

[JAG]

On 7/25/2017 at 8:13 PM, JAG said:

Yes, how does it go?

 

"Is that a draft of the new constitution in your pocket, or are you just pleased to see me?"

 

7 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And what a great little actress she is.

 

Sad, persecuted face. Beaming face when given a few roses. Moved to tears - turned on at will. Laughing and gaffawing with cronies 2 minutes after tears.

 

And after all those outrageous lies she told, she still keeps a straight face.

 

 

Hmm, in your enduring all encompassing enthusiasm to convert us all to your obsessive dislike (probably not a strong enough verb but never mind) of the last elected prime minister of Thailand you have rather missed my point.

 

My admittedly rather crude suggested caption was aimed at the picture of the two tubby military figures embracing on the red carpet....

[sujoop]

9 hours ago, sujoop said:

On 7/25/2017 at 9:56 PM, NCFC said:

On 7/25/2017 at 2:27 PM, sujoop said:

More poor, poor Pou (Yingluck)... Meanwhile, the poorest farmers weren't even part of the rice scheme... The program was a fraud from the outset. Here's a sample from rice scheme corruption cases - a fictional China deal which links a red-shirt leader,  a Yingluck/Pheu Thai party MP and a Thaksin insider:
 
Dummy firm tied to govt figures
*Guangzhou-based GSSG Import and Export Corporation, was actually represented by a Thai man called Rathanit Sojirakul, who later authorised Phichit-based Nimon Rakdi to (sign) a contract to purchase 5 million tonnes of rice on the company’s behalf. ...Rathanit was a close aide to Pheu Thai MP Rapeephan Phongruangrong, who is the wife of red-shirt leader Arisman Phongruangrong. ...Rathanit, who claimed to be the authorised representative of the Chinese firm, only has Bt64.63 in his bank account...
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/politics/aec/30195106
 
Notable comment from Yingluck's (Thaksin's) Commerce minister:
“(After buying the rice) I won’t be investigating what buyers do with it,” he said.
So, Yingluck + Commerce Minister obviously were not interested in investigating their corruption laden program but some may ask, what happened to the rice in this supposedly innocent 'normal subsidy' deal?
 
*The G-to-G deal was a fake because no rice was exported to the Chinese firm. Instead, the huge amount of milled rice was sold locally at below market price by the Foreign Trade Department to a ghost buyer who then sold the rice at market price to the two Thai firms which have their own rice mills and later on the same amount of rice were pledged with the government at pledging prices which are about 40 percent above market price. The gang, it was alleged, made double profits from the same amount of rice.
http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/pm-yingluck-probed-connection-fake-rice-deal/
 
'Nimon previously worked at President Agri Trading, a company that was found to have been involved in shady dealings under a rice price-pledging scheme launched in 2003-2004 during Thaksin Shinawatra’s administration.  President Agri is connected to Apichart’s Siam Indica, which was also involved in the scam in 2004'.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/aec/30195106
 
Floods and Rice scheme, connect the dots:
Besides 'losing' multi-billions in the rice scheme, there was also another significant loss event caused by the very same Thaksin program re-launch under Yingluck in 2011. The Democrat Govt advised against planting a 3rd rice crop in the basin but Yingluck's Govt encouraged it to kick off the new rice scheme program (and ordered dams NOT to release water so those same farmers could harvest rice in the basin and plain areas:
 
November 11, 2011
“Decision to delay the release of water from the country's major dams had been made by the government”
('so that farmers could harvest their crops first')
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/aec/30169695
 
And finally this chestnut, the 1st of many attempts to free Thaksin came amidst those same floods:
 
As floods wreak havoc on Thailand, government sneaks in a plan to bring Thaksin Shinawatra home?
Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung, who chaired Tuesday's Cabinet meeting, from which Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra was conspicuously absence, waved off reporters, saying he would address the issue when he is at Parliament Wednesday afternoon. Media reports said that during a high-confidential Cabinet forum Tuesday limited to only a handful numbers of ministers and officials, it was decided that people convicted of corruption would be entitled to receive this year amnesty.
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/aec/30170004
 
Back to the current matter - there's a civil liability law which is designed to protect state officials against liability , 'unless they were found to have deliberately violated the laws',  or *to be  found in gross negligence of duty*. Unfortunately Yingluck went along with 'Thaksin speaks - Puea Thai does'. The result was turning a blind eye to multi-billion $$ plunder, therefore guilty of 'gross negligence of duty' as charged, which is NOT excused under the civil liability law.
 
Yet despite obvious malfeasance, massive losses in a rice program which poorest farmers had NO stake in,  plus acerbated floods directly by closing dams to get ill advised rice crops in (to kick off rice scheme)  and then under the cloak of floods, try to sneak in an amnesty for Thaksin, many on this forum still go on saying 'Way to go Yingluck,'....

It's amazing how you've got all that back story, links and even dates all stored tidily away.

Makes me wonder what your 'interest' really is.

 

 

8 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

9 hours ago, sujoop said:

Simply  to show some of the details behind current matters so others may be more informed. This is unfortunately highly necessary since left to the likes of a Red leaning Reuters local reporter, similarly BBC's local reporter and other Intnl reporters, they tend to ignore or gloss over pertinent facts in their reporting, instead favouring similar themes ala: ' Voters in the northeast told Reuters earlier this month that the trial against Yingluck had failed to break her family's political machine.'  etc.

Yes, the Nation is a far better source from where to gather information.

 

Lol. 

It's no surprise Shinawat defenders are not at all interested in critically important details which mostly go unreported by red-leaning Jonathan Head at BBC or local Reuters reporter etc. However, many others ARE interested in pertinent details all but ignored by Intnl press such as documented rice scheme collusion, cronies, fraud and the inter-connected massive damage of flooding exacerbated by Yingluck's Govt ordering dams kept shut to get rice crops in (to kick their rice scheme off, at any cost). But the saddest ignored FACT by Intnl press in all this is the  poorest farmers were not even part of the scheme (which the 'other' paper has documented mostly enriched connected cronies, middlemen, Pu Yai's and already wealthy rice millers, large farmers and large agri landlords - basically the mob who control influence and  'get out the vote' for Thaksin plus influences who gets a chanote or Nor sam gor upgrade authorisation,  or new road/water/power etc in NE Villages) Not many will go against the local Puy Yai's and millers/people of influence in NE Villages, which works hand in hand with the Shiniwat family political machine.

[tomta]

12 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Why not really stop corruption and bring all those avoiding charges by fleeing to account?

 

You have no way of knowing what the Thai people would choose, neither do I or anyone else. Might be another Thaksin puppet government which will behave exactly like the last. Maybe not.

Of course you are right. We have no absolutely precise way of knowing how people would vote (if indeed this ever happens). But there are fairly strong indicators - the history of the last five elections being just one.

[JAG]

Of course you are right. We have no absolutely precise way of knowing how people would vote (if indeed this ever happens). But there are fairly strong indicators - the history of the last five elections being just one.

Strong enough to necessitate preventing the (entirely constitutional) 2016 election, and strong enough to necessitate staging a coup and installing a junta government tasked with ensuring that it doesn't happen again.
A point which the earnest seekers after justice here are strangely unwilling to address. A point which is not lost on the Thai people ( who will inevitably eventually have their say) nor on the wider world...

[Jim1000]

Ncci  , you dont still happen to have her phone  number do you ?

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