Need precisions how to use non O Multiple entries

[SlyouThai]

hey guys im a little bit lost. I made a non O Multiple entries in penang 3 month ago based on having a thai child.

Date of issue : 8 May 2017

Enter before : 7 May 2018.

I received a stamp at Phuket on 10 May 2017 allowing me to stay until 7/08/2017 (90 days )

 

Today i made a 60 days extension ; with one day overstay since i needed to renew my notification of residence ( looks like from now you need to do it everytime you go out of country and come back ).

While reviewing my documents , one foreign officer told me that i cant re enter thailand on this visa. She said that since the first 90 days expired the visa is dead , and that when i go out on Thailand and come back i will only get a 1 month basic entry stamp. I just didnt understand since i though that was the point of a multiple entry and i read in others threads that doing a 60 days extension on 90 days entry was ok  etc but she keeps saying that again and again , my Non O M is dead from now on.

 

Did i make a mistake ? did i need to leave before 7/08 and come back before that date to get 90 days again ?  Is she wrong ?

 

To me i thought i could leave an re enter thailand when i want   until 7 May 2018 and get a new 90 days everytime .

 

Thanks for your help . :)

[ubonjoe]

On 8/8/2017 at 3:36 PM, SlyouThai said:

While reviewing my documents , one foreign officer told me that i cant re enter thailand on this visa. She said that since the first 90 days expired the visa is dead , and that when i go out on Thailand and come back i will only get a 1 month basic entry stamp

That is absolutely incorrect info you were given. Your one day of overstay will have no effect on the validity of your multiple entry non-o visa.

[SlyouThai]

thanks for reply , so same for the 60 days extension right ? i can do that on every 90 days entries , go out as long as i want and re enter before the " enter before 7 may 2018 " and i will get 90 days ?

[SlyouThai]

actually she didnt say it was because the one day overstay , she said that the non O M was dead because i didnt leave before the end of 90 days stamp....

[ubonjoe]

Just now, SlyouThai said:

actually she didnt say it was because the one day overstay , she said that the non O M was dead because i didnt leave before the end of 90 days stamp....

Still nonsense.

People get 60 day extensions all the time and it does not affect their visa in anyway.

[SlyouThai]

ok thats what i though but she literally keep talking for 15 minutes explaining me why i was wrong . she said like Multiple entry  means i can go in an out of thailand for 90 days only basically....

 

Anyway thanks a lot. Precision for people doing 60 days extension , be ready to renew notifications of residence everytime before applying. You need Rental contrat , Id of Landlord ( signed ) and blue book ( signed ).

 

 

[BEVUP]

I think she was saying that since you breached part of the Multi O Visa conditions (which is to leave prior to the 90 day allowance) it is now invalid - since you incurred an over stay 

Yes I know others mentioned the overstay is invalid& nothing to worry about since it was only 1 day

"didn't leave before 90 day stamp" = over stay

This is why every makes sure they get across that border or to the Immi Dept

 

[SlyouThai]

ok thanks guys

[elviajero]

1 hour ago, SlyouThai said:

Did i make a mistake ? did i need to leave before 7/08 and come back before that date to get 90 days again ?  Is she wrong ?

No. No you didn't. She is wrong. Unless the visa has been cancelled with a red 'cancelled' stamp all over it you can keep using it until 7th May 2018.

[Boycie]

Is the IO getting confused with, if you have an year extension of stay with a Non O visa and at the end of that time you decided to extend for 60 days, the visa becomes dead?

[BEVUP]

Ah think I just got this 

OK you said Visa based on child from Penang (which is not a marriage visa )

Now that would be a different story

No wander you might of only got 3 mths & they revoked your Visa for over stay

[USPatriot]

With a thai child a visa is only good for 90 days I thought it was 1 year

[BEVUP]

4 hours ago, SlyouThai said:

ok thats what i though but she literally keep talking for 15 minutes explaining me why i was wrong . she said like Multiple entry  means i can go in an out of thailand for 90 days only basically....

 

Anyway thanks a lot. Precision for people doing 60 days extension , be ready to renew notifications of residence everytime before applying. You need Rental contrat , Id of Landlord ( signed ) and blue book ( signed ).

 

 

Yes every time you leave the country as you are officially left the country & that address ( I knew I stuffed up when I came back from Loa & did it 1 mth late - the only time outside of 24 hrs & copped a 800 bht fine - well actually my wife as i was saying to her it doesn't worry me it's you they are fining )

[Tanoshi]

A multi entry Non Imm O Visa. Valid 1 year. Can be issued to those who have a Thai wife or child. This Visa allows unlimited 90 day entries before the ‘enter before’ date of the Visa, at which point the Visa is ‘used’. You cannot make 90 day reports at Immigration, you must leave and re-enter Thailand to obtain another 90 days permission to stay. You can extend each 90 day permission to stay one time by 60 days for the purpose of visiting a Thai wife or child and the relationship is de jure and defacto.

If used correctly, you can stay in Thailand for almost 17 months with this Visa type with only 3 border crossings.

 

 

[SlyouThai]

for precisions , i did some Non O single entries before , everytime i arrived in Thailand they stamped it with " USED on xxx date "

 

This time with the non O Multi they didnt. They stamped admited until " 3 months later " on the next page and thats it.

Nobody  revoked my visa at immigration today , the girl cant do anything she just here to help people get their papers ready before seeing official officers.

The Thai officers didnt say anything about my visa , they just made me pay 1 day overstay and gave me my 60 days extension.

My visa is intact it looks the same as new i dont have anything written on it or something like that.

 

For her the fact that i had one day overstay wasnt the problem , she just kept saying this visa was dead because i applied now for an extension , that all visas are only 90 days and  non O was just a short visa to be able to make a one year extension based on marriage or something else. Being Multiple or single didnt change anything to her at this point. ( i know i dont make much sense but she didnt either ).

 

So anyway in 2 months i will fly somewhere and will see what they give me on the way back i guess but for some its a no brainer that she was wrong so i think i will be ok :)

[SlyouThai]

8 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

A multi entry Non Imm O Visa. Valid 1 year. Can be issued to those who have a Thai wife or child. This Visa allows unlimited 90 day entries before the ‘enter before’ date of the Visa, at which point the Visa is ‘used’. You cannot make 90 day reports at Immigration, you must leave and re-enter Thailand to obtain another 90 days permission to stay. You can extend each 90 day permission to stay one time by 60 days for the purpose of visiting a Thai wife or child and the relationship is de jure and defacto.

If used correctly, you can stay in Thailand for almost 17 months with this Visa type with only 3 border crossings.

 

 

thats exactly what i red before doing one and thats what i told her. She then proceed to talk for 15 minutes explaining why i was wrong and my visa dead. An other farang waiting his passport probably getting bored  even tried to help her . She finished by saying to my wife '"  look , he still doesnt believe me i see it in his eyes " . I have to admit she put some doubt in me.  Funny day :D

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, SlyouThai said:

..., that all visas are only 90 days and  non O was just a short visa to be able to make a one year extension based on marriage or something else. ...

Probably the way Immigration would like things to be - maybe the way her boss explained it - or left out the existence of a 1-Yr ME.  She may not have a clue that a 1-yr ME exists - or thinks it's just a single-entry with a longer "use before" date.

[csabo]

8 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

A multi entry Non Imm O Visa. Valid 1 year. Can be issued to those who have a Thai wife or child. This Visa allows unlimited 90 day entries before the ‘enter before’ date of the Visa, at which point the Visa is ‘used’. You cannot make 90 day reports at Immigration, you must leave and re-enter Thailand to obtain another 90 days permission to stay. You can extend each 90 day permission to stay one time by 60 days for the purpose of visiting a Thai wife or child and the relationship is de jure and defacto.

If used correctly, you can stay in Thailand for almost 17 months with this Visa type with only 3 border crossings.

 

 

Could you write out the math on this? I can't calculate 17 months on 3 border crossing keeping in mind the 1 year validity if a multi non O. 

Thanks

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, csabo said:

Could you write out the math on this? I can't calculate 17 months on 3 border crossing keeping in mind the 1 year validity if a multi non O. 

Thanks

Example Non Imm O ME issued Aug 2017, valid until Aug 2018.

 

Enter Thailand Aug 2017 for 90 days, extend for another 60 days = Jan 2018.

1st border crossing Jan 2018, 90 day entry, extended for 60 days = June 2018.

2nd border crossing June 2018, 90 day entry. (Visa expires Aug 2018)

3rd border crossing Aug 2018, just before the 'enter before' date, 90 day entry, extended for 60 days = Jan 2019.

[JRUSA]

6 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Example Non Imm O ME issued Aug 2017, valid until Aug 2018.

 

Enter Thailand Aug 2017 for 90 days, extend for another 60 days = Jan 2018.

1st border crossing Jan 2018, 90 day entry, extended for 60 days = June 2018.

2nd border crossing June 2018, 90 day entry. (Visa expires Aug 2018)

3rd border crossing Aug 2018, just before the 'enter before' date, 90 day entry, extended for 60 days = Jan 2019.

I feel like I just time travelled... Got a headache..?

[MJCM]

20 hours ago, elviajero said:

No. No you didn't. She is wrong. Unless the visa has been cancelled with a red 'cancelled' stamp all over it you can keep using it until 7th May 2018.

Spot on !! With the magic word being (sorry 6 ) cancelled with a red 'cancelled' stamp

[SlyouThai]

thanks guys everything clear now

[elviajero]

22 hours ago, Boycie said:

Is the IO getting confused with, if you have an year extension of stay with a Non O visa and at the end of that time you decided to extend for 60 days, the visa becomes dead?

No. There is no problem or reason why you can't extend for 1 year, then do a 60 day extension, and then do another 1 year extension. However, you can only make one 60 day extension for each new entry to the country so any future extension could only be for 1 year.

 

You are extending your permission to stay and it doesn't matter whether or not the 'visa' is "dead" or not.

[elviajero]

21 hours ago, USPatriot said:

With a thai child a visa is only good for 90 days I thought it was 1 year

• A single entry visa is valid for 3 months and gives one 90 day stay. 
• A multiple entry visa is valid for 1 year and gives unlimited 90 day stays. A final entry can be made on or before the 'enter before' date.

[Boycie]

21 hours ago, elviajero said:

No. There is no problem or reason why you can't extend for 1 year, then do a 60 day extension, and then do another 1 year extension. However, you can only make one 60 day extension for each new entry to the country so any future extension could only be for 1 year.

 

You are extending your permission to stay and it doesn't matter whether or not the 'visa' is "dead" or not.

I was given the wrong information by my local Immigration office!

I was there extending my one year extension for another 60 days based on marriage. I was told that i wouldn't be able to apply for another year extension at the end of those 60 days and would have to get another new Non O visa from outside of Thailand. 

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, Boycie said:

I was given the wrong information by my local Immigration office!

I was there extending my one year extension for another 60 days based on marriage. I was told that i wouldn't be able to apply for another year extension at the end of those 60 days and would have to get another new Non O visa from outside of Thailand. 

I often wondered about this - whether your extensions "remain contiguous" if you add a 60 day-extension to visit wife/family to the end of an annual extension - so doing this does not mean you have have to go out of the country and get a new "Visa" to start over?  I assumed it was possible to continue extensions without starting over with a new Visa, but could see how it might not be, depending on the rules.

 

And to clarify on the question of when/if you can get a 60-day extension - and I think I have this scenario right - because I have read of folks who didn't get it right:

Enter Thailand on a Non-O Visa, do some annual extensions, at some point, do a 60 day-extension to visit wife/family, then do some more annual extensions, throw in re-entry permits and leaving returning within annual-extensions.  At this point, you have "used up" your 60-day extension from your original "Entry" - because re-entries are not "new entries" - so cannot apply for another 60-day extension to visit wife/family.  Someone please correct me if I don't have it right.