Local budgets used to transport Yingluck supporters, says Pisit

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

You make a lot of assumptions. First that the guy tells the truth (the Junta has no track record of telling the truth). Then, if it is the case that some transportation is paid by local funds, that it concerns 100% of the people who will show.

The junta and the Shins are both famous for telling the truth, but given that the Shins have a habit of paying people to show up. (famous clip with 500 bt and Thaksin) I don't think that this is so far fetched.

 

Your right it might not concern 100% but if so many people would show up without payment.. then why pay at all.. must be a large portion then. 

 

I seriously respect those that turn up on their own accord.. that shows true support, those transported in paid for.. not so much. 

[AGareth2]

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

I rest my case

and your case is?

[scorecard]

44 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

How is that you only see misuse of public funds of your prejudiced side. At least your prejudiced side have been charged and their days in court. Your side; amnesty, crony corruption agencies, friendly AG etc and not even answerable to the people and courts. 

 

Again your verbal spew.

 

When did I say or suggest anything like: 'How is that you only see misuse of public funds of your prejudiced side' ?

 

You don't even tell the truth.

[Jip99]

33 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

and your case is?

 

 

Rested.

 

 

please keep up.....

[candide]

35 minutes ago, robblok said:

The junta and the Shins are both famous for telling the truth, but given that the Shins have a habit of paying people to show up. (famous clip with 500 bt and Thaksin) I don't think that this is so far fetched.

 

Your right it might not concern 100% but if so many people would show up without payment.. then why pay at all.. must be a large portion then. 

 

I seriously respect those that turn up on their own accord.. that shows true support, those transported in paid for.. not so much. 

It is quite common for political (or other) movements in any country to organize transportation for meetings, protests, concerts, etc. But people choose to go or not.

Organise a free transportation in Udon Thani to support Abhisit and you will see how many people show up. 

Additionnally, the people who will go to Bangkok know they can be arrested or worse under a d.... regime. Free transportation is a very weak incentive in comparison to the risks of being arrested.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

It is quite common for political (or other) movements in any country to organize transportation for meetings, protests, concerts, etc. But people choose to go or not.

Organise a free transportation in Udon Thani to support Abhisit and you will see how many people show up. 

Additionnally, the people who will go to Bangkok know they can be arrested or worse under a d.... regime. Free transportation is a very weak incentive in comparison to the risks of being arrested.

Its quite common, sure sure.... 

 

Its a rent a crowd out for a day of fun .. no real supporters. I bet those roses are given to them to gift them to YL too. What a sham. 

[candide]

13 minutes ago, robblok said:

Its quite common, sure sure.... 

 

Its a rent a crowd out for a day of fun .. no real supporters. I bet those roses are given to them to gift them to YL too. What a sham. 

But restiction to freedom no sham, of course

[Eric Loh]

27 minutes ago, robblok said:

Its quite common, sure sure.... 

 

Its a rent a crowd out for a day of fun .. no real supporters. I bet those roses are given to them to gift them to YL too. What a sham. 

Have it your way Rob but just hope that there will be no junta paid provocateurs to create a situation to delay election. 

[ramrod711]

On ‎8‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 9:43 AM, rooster59 said:

There were allegations that free transport was provided for people to travel from the provinces to offer moral support for the ex-PM.

And so it goes, local Poo Yai Baan's paying their tithes to the Shins. This is not surprising to those of us that actually live in villages. In 2010 folks were leaving by the truckload, they were paid, the drivers were paid and believe me the local officials were rewarded as well. Cry democracy if you will, in the village it is about being paid, I know people that marched for 3 different candidates in local elections because they were being paid. Who they actually voted for, if they did, I have no idea.

[ramrod711]

47 minutes ago, candide said:

It is quite common for political (or other) movements in any country to organize transportation for meetings, protests, concerts, etc. But people choose to go or not.

Organise a free transportation in Udon Thani to support Abhisit and you will see how many people show up. 

Additionnally, the people who will go to Bangkok know they can be arrested or worse under a d.... regime. Free transportation is a very weak incentive in comparison to the risks of being arrested.

With all due respect, have you forgotten the Democrat campaign event in Lampang? Bottles, bricks, stones, nuts and bolts, even flowers in pots were hurled at people attempting to attend. Trucks equipped with loud speakers were parked outside the venue and used to drown out the speeches. That isn't democracy where I come from.

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, ramrod711 said:

And so it goes, local Poo Yai Baan's paying their tithes to the Shins. This is not surprising to those of us that actually live in villages. In 2010 folks were leaving by the truckload, they were paid, the drivers were paid and believe me the local officials were rewarded as well. Cry democracy if you will, in the village it is about being paid, I know people that marched for 3 different candidates in local elections because they were being paid. Who they actually voted for, if they did, I have no idea.

This must be a local culture as the southerns also said that they would be paid with food and cash to participate in the Bangkok shutdown. I heard the navy guys stationed at Rayong were paid quite handsomely to be the security and enforcers. 

[robblok]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Have it your way Rob but just hope that there will be no junta paid provocateurs to create a situation to delay election. 

I also hope there won't be any delay of the election, I have stated that quite a few times. 

[AGareth2]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Its quite common, sure sure.... 

 

Its a rent a crowd out for a day of fun .. no real supporters. I bet those roses are given to them to gift them to YL too. What a sham. 

are you jealous of her popularity?

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

are you jealous of her popularity?

Why ?

 

I am sure she is more popular then Prayut, but a rent a crowd (if the allegations are true) is not really a sign of popularity. If someone is popular and people care then they come with their own cars and don't need to be paid and so on. If true that people are paid its a sign she is far less popular then is believed (or that people not care as much as we here think)

 

 

 

 

[AGareth2]

Just now, robblok said:

If someone is popular and people care then they come with their own cars and don't need to be paid

you do understand we are talking about poor people?

[robblok]

Just now, AGareth2 said:

you do understand we are talking about poor people?

I do understand, does not change a thing, if its a paid for organised trip it diminishes how popular someone is. Bus tickets are not that expensive in Thailand even poor people can afford that. Its called making an effort for what you support.

 

If I care enough for something ill be at protests and such (never have in my own country), did go visit friends at the protest site who helped to bring down the government with shutting down BKK. But I was not one of the protesters, not really a good idea as a foreigner. 

 

My friends were office workers who sacrificed their time and never got paid anything but showed what they stood for. Now there probably also were paid for yellow supporters (and I don't think those really count) It works for both sides... i feel paid for people have no real conviction just in it for the money / distraction.

[AGareth2]

if they don't have cars

are you saying they should walk?

[JAG]

This is classic Thai Visa.

 

The OP makes a general allegation, as far as I can see unsupported by any specific evidence save some vague reference to "intelligence", and 46 posts later it is a "disgrace", proof positive that Yingluck has no support, and it is all a "paid for rent a mob"!

 

 

[zzaa09]

8 minutes ago, JAG said:

This is classic Thai Visa.

The OP makes a general allegation, as far as I can see unsupported by any specific evidence save some vague reference to "intelligence", and 46 posts later it is a "disgrace", proof positive that Yingluck has no support, and it is all a paid for rent a mob!

Noted.

Kinda interesting that a Farang collective that haven't a clue can twist and manipulate, huh?

 

Consider the source.

 

 

[Ricardo]

16 minutes ago, JAG said:

This is classic Thai Visa.

 

The OP makes a general allegation, as far as I can see unsupported by any specific evidence save some vague reference to "intelligence", and 46 posts later it is a "disgrace", proof positive that Yingluck has no support, and it is all a "paid for rent a mob"!

 

 

You may well be right, the OP is unclear and doesn't give much evidence, perhaps everything was open and above-board, hopefully more details will emerge  ...  but TiT.

 

On the other hand, if it were shown that public-money had been used to fund the transport of locals to a political-event down in Bangkok, then I think that might well be misuse-of-funds & an abuse-of-power.

 

Let's hope that further investigation sheds more light on what actually happened ?

[robblok]

1 hour ago, AGareth2 said:

if they don't have cars

are you saying they should walk?

No there are busses ever heard of those.. I am not talking the organised busses but the normal line busses between cities. 

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, AGareth2 said:

you do understand we are talking about poor people?

You do understand plenty of folks take advantage of poor people. Not nice but true.

[Ricardo]

14 hours ago, Ricardo said:

 

You may well be right, the OP is unclear and doesn't give much evidence, perhaps everything was open and above-board, hopefully more details will emerge  ...  but TiT.

 

On the other hand, if it were shown that public-money had been used to fund the transport of locals to a political-event down in Bangkok, then I think that might well be misuse-of-funds & an abuse-of-power.

 

Let's hope that further investigation sheds more light on what actually happened ?

 

Update, in a new thread, today  ...

 

"In a related development, Interior Minister Anupong Paochinda said there had not been any irregularities found in the spending of local administration organisations in connection with possible trips to support Yingluck.

 

However, organisations across the country had been instructed that spending had to be in line with laws and regulations, the interior minister said.

 

The Office of the Auditor-General |had floated the idea that local administrative organisations could have misused |state budgets to fund trips in support of Yingluck."

 

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/997357-yingluck-judges-provided-with-police-guards/

 

[robblok]

42 minutes ago, Ricardo said:

 

Update, in a new thread, today  ...

 

"In a related development, Interior Minister Anupong Paochinda said there had not been any irregularities found in the spending of local administration organisations in connection with possible trips to support Yingluck.

 

However, organisations across the country had been instructed that spending had to be in line with laws and regulations, the interior minister said.

 

The Office of the Auditor-General |had floated the idea that local administrative organisations could have misused |state budgets to fund trips in support of Yingluck."

 

https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/997357-yingluck-judges-provided-with-police-guards/

 

Big egg on the face of the junta.. and I was wrong too mea culpa mea culpa. Though it was not unlikely to be true.. but it seems it was untrue. So I was wrong here. 

[Eric Loh]

Really irresponsible for someone in the position of an AG to make a press statement without proper investigation. He was very explicit in his accusation that some LAOs had organized activities for Yingluck's supporters. His credibility was questionable after he waved off the accusation surrounding the lavish Hawaii trip by Prawit and now this wild accusation. Still waiting for his apology statement.  

[HungWell]

7 minutes ago, robblok said:

Big egg on the face of the junta.. and I was wrong too mea culpa mea culpa. Though it was not unlikely to be true.. but it seems it was untrue. So I was wrong here. 

Why so quick to believe in the first place, especially with no supporting evidence being provided? 

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, HungWell said:

Why so quick to believe in the first place, especially with no supporting evidence being provided? 

Past experiences... (see 500bt clip of Thaksin). Paid for protesters are quite normal. 

[HungWell]

Just now, robblok said:

Past experiences... (see 500bt clip of Thaksin). Paid for protesters are quite normal. 

Perhaps your past experiences are also, to a degree, rooted in falsehoods as well. Paid for protestors are indeed quite normal, but they are also quite unsustainable. Look at how the PDRC dwindled so dramatically once the unpaid abandoned the cause and then the money started running out. What started out as up to 200,000 angry citizens ended up as a few tents in Lumpinin Park.