10-Year Visas Now Available: Thai Immigration

[MrPatrickThai]

53 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

The very longest would be two years as that is when the full rights start, but teachers have taken schools refusing to offer a second 12 month contract to court and won, it should be an open and shut case as it is so clear in the labour law that it is not allowed to offer consecutive temporary contracts, government institutions being specifically named as being unable to ever offer them.  Take a read of the law before voicing any more doubts, it is hardly ambiguous.

So how much severance pay did all these teachers get?

 

I'm familiar with the Thai labour law, which section does this appear?

 

[Kieran00001]

11 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

So how much severance pay did all these teachers get?

 

I'm familiar with the Thai labour law, which section does this appear?

 

 

If you are familiar then it shouldn't be a problem for you to find it for yourself, I am not going to look through it now for you, but it is in the bit about temporary contracts.

 

I don't know how much severance they got, I read a blog some time ago by a lawyer who was making something of a specialisation out of representing foreign teachers against their schools.

[cyborgx]

On ‎21‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 0:03 PM, MrPatrickThai said:

Why didn't you ask them? Duh

Because I only read this thread AFTER I GOT BACK...   DUH!  Don't assume everyone is as stupid as yourself....

[cyborgx]

On ‎21‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 0:07 PM, MrPatrickThai said:

A 10 year visa like this is NOTHING like Citizenship. 

 

One positive thing is that retirees can get a personal nurse/carer for $300 a month. 

 

Why is it traumatic? That's weird. 

It's similar LIKE CITIZENSHIP for some people (as already explained and understood by normal people) in that 10 years could be longer than their remaining lifetime. It's also convenient to not have to renew every year LIKE CITIZENSHIP. 

I said it was like it in some ways for some people, but also said Citizenship has other advantages, as you even quoted....

 

Stop looking for arguments, troll, try contributing instead....

[cyborgx]

On ‎21‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 0:07 PM, MrPatrickThai said:

A 10 year visa like this is NOTHING like Citizenship. 

 

One positive thing is that retirees can get a personal nurse/carer for $300 a month. 

 

Why is it traumatic? That's weird. 

It's traumatic for some people waiting 6 hours and perhaps being refused for some silly technicality.  I know someone it happened to, and not being an old hand, did not know that their paperwork was actually in order, but they got refused anyway and had to leave the country.

 

I'm sure you were born with a full Thai Immigration Rules imbedded in your brain, and have never had a problem with Thai bureaucracy..... 

 

Must be nice being God and infallible....  in your own head  LOL

[cyborgx]

On ‎21‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 5:10 PM, maxpower said:

English - Farang's lawn rake rarely rakes really right

Thai - Falang's rorn lake larely lakes learly light

Actually if you are going to try to educate or correct someone it's ฝรั่ง

or if you talk to people that have any respect for you, it's คนต่างชาติ

not that it's important in this thread

[MrPatrickThai]

11 hours ago, cyborgx said:

Because I only read this thread AFTER I GOT BACK...   DUH!  Don't assume everyone is as stupid as yourself....

Someone got out the wrong side of the bed today.

[MrPatrickThai]

10 hours ago, cyborgx said:

Actually if you are going to try to educate or correct someone it's ฝรั่ง

or if you talk to people that have any respect for you, it's คนต่างชาติ

not that it's important in this thread

Nonsense, you obviously don't speak Thai or have Thai friends that respect you. 

[YetAnother]

On 8/16/2017 at 2:02 PM, chrisinth said:

I think it will be interesting to see how many of these visas are actually issued.

they might sell one

[MrPatrickThai]

11 hours ago, cyborgx said:

It's similar LIKE CITIZENSHIP for some people (as already explained and understood by normal people) in that 10 years could be longer than their remaining lifetime. It's also convenient to not have to renew every year LIKE CITIZENSHIP. 

I said it was like it in some ways for some people, but also said Citizenship has other advantages, as you even quoted....

 

Stop looking for arguments, troll, try contributing instead....

Can they vote? Buy land? Start their own business? It's absolutely NOTHING like citizenship! 

 

Ok, I assume you're an old hand, referring to someone else as not being. You really haven't figured out how to not got to immigration every year - lol You actually don't know how to beat that 6 hour queue and how to speak to them about fixing problems. Yet you know how to write Thai, something fishy here, paste and copy job was it?

[overherebc]

On 24/08/2017 at 7:23 AM, MrPatrickThai said:

I very much doubt this is for sure. Most teachers I know are on year to year contracts, which can be considered permanent work after a few year, but not 1.

After 3/4 months, ie end of probation period you are already entitled to one month or one months money in place of notice.

[MrPatrickThai]

6 minutes ago, overherebc said:

After 3/4 months, ie end of probation period you are already entitled to one month or one months money in place of notice.

Interesting, thanks I didn't know that.

[overherebc]

21 minutes ago, MrPatrickThai said:

Interesting, thanks I didn't know that.

Should have written one months notice or one months money in place of notice. 

Some contracts state 3 month probation some state 4.

After 120 days and less than one year 30 days severence pay is due.

Edited August 25, 2017 by overherebc

[hashmodha]

I like the picture of the silver haired couple on the spotless and deserted beach...I want a visa for that place, where is it? inside the hollow moon!

It's surrealistic and utopia....things like these never exist in reality!! :-) :-)

Please excuse spelling mistakes/misunderstanding
Best
HM

[impulse]

On 8/23/2017 at 9:03 PM, overherebc said:

Again willing to be proved wrong but just because the employer makes you sign a new contract every year doesn't mean that after 3 years with the same employer you are not entitled to 3 years severence pay etc.

 

According to the attorney we retained when this happened to a bunch of co-workers, once a contract goes (or is renewed) over 12 months, it's no longer considered temporary by the employment people and the employee is entitled to severance.  He told us a lot of employers try to play the "temporary for 5 years" game and the employment people don't look kindly on it, coming down on the side of the employee.

 

[impulse]

9 hours ago, overherebc said:

Should have written one months notice or one months money in place of notice. 

Some contracts state 3 month probation some state 4.

After 120 days and less than one year 30 days severence pay is due.

 

But there's a difference between 30 days' notice (or 30 days' pay in lieu of notice) and 30 days' severance. 

 

 

 

[overherebc]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

According to the attorney we retained when this happened to a bunch of co-workers, once a contract goes (or is renewed) over 12 months, it's no longer considered temporary by the employment people and the employee is entitled to severance.  He told us a lot of employers try to play the "temporary for 5 years" game and the employment people don't look kindly on it, coming down on the side of the employee.

 

100% correct. In the book it actually states it as being illegal to try it.

[overherebc]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

But there's a difference between 30 days' notice (or 30 days' pay in lieu of notice) and 30 days' severance. 

 

 

 

I have actually had two months paid by one company here, severence and notice but only because we got on well during the 6 months I was there. The whole project didn't work out and I did go back and work for them later on a 3 year project so I'm not sure what the norm' is.

 

[impulse]

14 minutes ago, overherebc said:

I have actually had two months paid by one company here, severence and notice but only because we got on well during the 6 months I was there. The whole project didn't work out and I did go back and work for them later on a 3 year project so I'm not sure what the norm' is.

 

Neither am I up to the 12 month mark.  Our guys got their severance on top of the 30 day notice, but they all had several years.

 

[YetAnother]

what many may detect is missing in forums on this specific topic is any joy by expats; postings are 90+% cynical and negative; as am i on this topic; and the amazing thing is not that the 'offering' was ridiculous but that the offerers will be surprised so so few people buy it (= cluelessness)

Edited August 25, 2017 by YetAnother

[HooHaa]

i received 10 months severance after 10 years of employment for a large software firm - the 10 months was the thai government stipulation - the company itself matched it between additional severance, bonuses and stock vesting. I left with over 2 years worth of salary.

[alzack]

Glad I am out of the LAND OF (False) SMILES  Year gone now no more watching the Fuckin £ being thrashed by the Baht Happy Junta bashing to you all a storm brewing (again)

 

[overherebc]

12 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

what many may detect is missing in forums on this specific topic is any joy by expats; postings are 90+% cynical and negative; as am i on this topic; and the amazing thing is not that the 'offering' was ridiculous but that the offerers will be surprised so so few people buy it (= cluelessness)

The main things 'offerers' fail to see are the social and health service benefits in other countries for a lot less of an 'investment' that is designed to stay 'in country' here.

Basically you are asked to deposit 120,000£ and leave it in the control of others, you still have to pay rent or lease money which get you no return on.

I know a couple of people who think 3,000,000 is pocket money but they don't want to bring it here and write it off for no good reason.

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, HooHaa said:

i received 10 months severance after 10 years of employment for a large software firm - the 10 months was the thai government stipulation - the company itself matched it between additional severance, bonuses and stock vesting. I left with over 2 years worth of salary.

Some companies can be really good. I had a final payment after 3 years from one and was surprised to see the figure into my bank. I called the MD and asked if they had made a mistake and he said no, we gave you 3 months bonus as well as severance and notice.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

FWIW, I was out to Chaengwattana Immigration in BKK and took the opportunity to TRY to ask about what their current status is re the "10-Year" O X visas, using the term 10 year advisedly. Not a very successful effort, despite no lack of effort on my part in trying.

 

--Saw a male Immigration supervisor I'd dealt with in the past, and stopped him to ask about the 10-year O X visas. His answer, NO, we're only doing the normal one year version.

 

--Asked at the front info desk just as you walk in the doors. The female officer manning that desk said YES, they are doing the 10-year visas now, but could offer no details and had no documentation/TM Form/ information she could provide. She advised to check inside with the Queue desk officers.

 

--Went inside and checked with a female queue desk officer. At that point, my wife took over most of the conversation in Thai. And from the version I got, the queue desk officer said yes they are now accepting 10-year visa applications, that the O X could be applied for either in-country at Immigration or outside at Thai consulates, and there were multiple requirements that had to be met, but that any info about the application or the requirements would need to be provided by the officers in the C1 section.

 

--Got a queue ticket for the C1 section (right next to the C2 reentry permits area) and was 10 down in the queue. Waited a half hour and during that entire time maybe only two numbers were called. Lunch break came and everyone was kicked out. Before that at one point, my wife went into the C1 area to ask one of the officers there, and the officer she spoke to couldn't provide any info, and pointed my wife to the desk there of another officer who wasn't present at the time. We came back again briefly around 1:15 pm after the lunch break, and our queue number still hadn't been called and the other officer was nowhere to be seen.

 

We gave up and left at that point.

 

[ukrules]

Sounds like it's all bullsh!t to me, this visa doesn't really exist at the moment and if it does they're going to make it hard to get one.

[lkv]

@TallGuyJohninBKK Good effort but they are in the dark there. However I got some important developments to share here. Thank you Google ?:

 

http://www.thaiembassy.org/jakarta/en/services/80434-Non-immigrant-visa-O-X-(Long-stay).html

 

This is valid for permanent residents in Indonesia of said nationalities. Enjoy!

 

Non-Immigrant Visa Type “O-X” (Long Stay) may be granted to applicants aged 50 and above who wish to stay in Thailand up to 10 years after their retirement. Applicants for this type of visa must be nationals of the following countries: Japan, Australia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Canada, the United States of America.

The applicants who wish to apply for the visa at the Royal Thai Embassy in Jakarta must have permanent residence in Indonesia with the valid Temporary Resident Permit (KITAS) or Permanent Resident Permit (KITAP).

The visa is valid for 5 years from the date of issue (extendable for another 5 years at the Immigration Bureau).

Qualifications of the Applicants: 

1.  50 years of age and above (on the date of submitting the application)

2.  Nationals of the following countries; Japan, Australia, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom, Canada, the United States of America. (The passport must be issued by the respective Government)

3.  Having permanent residence in Indonesia (with valid KITAS or KITAP)

4. Having a bank account in Thailand with the minimum balance of 3,000,000 Thai Baht or 1,800,000 Thai Baht with the annual income of at least 1,200,000 Thai Baht. *** The money must remain in the account for at least 1 year after entering Thailand. After the period of 1 year, the minimum of 1,500,000 Thai Baht is required to remain in the account.

5.  Having the Thai health insurance (available for online purchase at http://longstay.tgia.org)

Required documents:

1. Three sets of completed and signed visa application forms and photographs

2. Passport with the remaining validity of at least 6 months 

3. Curriculum Vitae (3 copies)     

4. Certificate of Deposit issued by a bank in Thailand (1 original and 2 copies)

5. Bank Statement letter issued by a bank in Thailand showing no less than THB 3,000,000 Thai Baht or1,800,000 Thai Baht with the proof of annual income of at least 1,200,000 Thai Baht. or equivalent in US Dollars (1 original and 2 copies)

6. Bankbook (3 copies)

7. Police Record issued by the Police in the country of origin (One original and two copies)

8. Police Record issued by the Indonesian National Police (One original and two copies)

9. Medical Certificate (One original and two copies) issued by local competent authority certifying that the applicant has no prohibited diseases as indicated in the Ministerial Regulation No. 14 (B.E. 2535) (the certificate must be issued no more than 3 months before the visa application)

10. Three Copies of Temporary Resident Permit (KITAS) or Permanent Resident Permit (KITAP)

11. Copy of Thai Health Insurance (available for online purchase at http://longstay.tgia.org)

12. Application fee (Cash only in Indonesian Rupiah - Non-refundable): IDR 5,000,000

 

Dependents of Non-Immigrant Visa Type “O-X” Applicant

Dependents of the applicants are entitled to apply for the same type of visa as long as they meet the following requirements;

For spouse:

1. Valid Marriage Certificate in English which must be legalized by relevant authorities

2. Required documents as listed above

For child:

1. Valid Birth Certificate in English which must be legalized by relevant authorities

2. Must be under 20 years old

3. Required documents as listed above (No.1-3 and 11-12 only)

 

Note: Successful applicants and dependents are not allowed to work in Thailand.

Consular officers reserve the right to request additional documents, or an interview with the applicant, as deemed necessary, without prior notice.

The Royal Thai Embassy reserves the right to refuse visa to applicant with insufficient documents or if the reasons given are not fully supported. The visa fee is non-refundable.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2017 by lkv

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

58 minutes ago, lkv said:

@TallGuyJohninBKK Good effort but they are in the dark there. However I got some important developments to share here. Thank you Google ?:

 

http://www.thaiembassy.org/jakarta/en/services/80434-Non-immigrant-visa-O-X-(Long-stay).html

 

This is valid for permanent residents in Indonesia of said nationalities. Enjoy!

 

 

Thanks for finding and posting that. By comparison, I just checked on the Thai Embassy in Wash DC website for the U.S., and there doesn't seem to be any mention at all there of the O X, at least as yet.

 

http://thaiembdc.org/visas/

[lkv]

Yeah at least now we know:

 

-1.5 million blocked forever in Thai bank.

-5 year visa extendable another 5 locally.

- the approved Thai insurance companies.

- dependent child also needs a CV. Lol.

 

Can't wait to get to 50, 14 more years to go. ? Maybe until then I also become a citizen of these priviledged countries.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2017 by lkv

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, lkv said:

11. Copy of Thai Health Insurance (available for online purchase at http://longstay.tgia.org)

This part I was particularly interested in. If you follow this link to the site, it says as follows:

 

Quote

 

Guidelines for applying Health Insurance for Long Stay Visa in Thailand

Each applicant, including spouse and children, must hold Thai Health Insurance policy sold by authorized insurance companies only.

There are only four Thai insurance companies listed there as being authorized/participating, and NONE of them are names/companies that I think most any farang expats in Thailand likely have their current health insurance thru.

No BUPA, no Pacific Cross, no Cigna, no AXA, etc etc.

 

Edited August 30, 2017 by TallGuyJohninBKK