Myanmar men appeal against death sentences over British murders in Thailand

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10 minutes ago, greenchair said:

The judge clearly talked about why he thought they were there and which evidance he applied to his reasoning. 

Read it again. 

Carefully. His reasoning is sound in my opinion. 

Think we all know your reasoning...

[StealthEnergiser]

38 minutes ago, greenchair said:

The judge clearly talked about why he thought they were there and which evidance he applied to his reasoning. 

Read it again. 

Carefully. His reasoning is sound in my opinion. 

You seem to know quite a lot about this can you recall the owners name of the bar where the fight took place ?

[greenchair]

2 hours ago, StealthEnergiser said:

You seem to know quite a lot about this can you recall the owners name of the bar where the fight took place ?

What fight? That's in another thread, nothing to do with the b2 case. ?

[StealthEnergiser]

@greenchair

I can't seem to find that thread what was the owners name of the bar  so I can do a search ?

Edited August 31, 2017 by StealthEnergiser

[greenchair]

40 minutes ago, StealthEnergiser said:

@greenchair

I can't seem to find that thread what was the owners name of the bar  so I can do a search ?

Who cares the name. 

Nothing to do with this case. 

That issue should have been dealt with by the defense 2 years ago. 

Now we're all hoping the supreme court will uphold the verdict. 

Some are hoping the death penalty will be overturned because of their age. But since the human rights lawyers didn't ask for that, highly unlikely. I guess their next hope is a royal pardon. Let's hope they don't stuff that up with nonsense, someone else did it. 

[IslandLover]

11 minutes ago, greenchair said:

Who cares the name. 

Nothing to do with this case. 

That issue should have been dealt with by the defense 2 years ago. 

Now we're all hoping the supreme court will uphold the verdict. 

Some are hoping the death penalty will be overturned because of their age. But since the human rights lawyers didn't ask for that, highly unlikely. I guess their next hope is a royal pardon. Let's hope they don't stuff that up with nonsense, someone else did it. 

Now we're all hoping the supreme court will uphold the verdict.

 

We?  Who are "we"?  Elaborate please? 

[StealthEnergiser]

24 minutes ago, greenchair said:

Who cares the name. 

Nothing to do with this case. 

That issue should have been dealt with by the defense 2 years ago. 

Now we're all hoping the supreme court will uphold the verdict. 

Some are hoping the death penalty will be overturned because of their age. But since the human rights lawyers didn't ask for that, highly unlikely. I guess their next hope is a royal pardon. Let's hope they don't stuff that up with nonsense, someone else did it. 

One of the two men released last night, who reporters did not identify, said he was unable to contact his son and did not know if he had a hand in the killings. 

24 minutes ago, greenchair said:

Who cares the name. 

Nothing to do with this case. 

That issue should have been dealt with by the defense 2 years ago. 

Now we're all hoping the supreme court will uphold the verdict. 

Some are hoping the death penalty will be overturned because of their age. But since the human rights lawyers didn't ask for that, highly unlikely. I guess their next hope is a royal pardon. Let's hope they don't stuff that up with nonsense, someone else did it. 

Just found it this would be when Nomsod went missing.

 

The investigation into the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao sees a new twist after the police questioned two prime suspects they earlier said have enough evidence to prove their connection.

 

Police interrogated Woraphan Toovichien, 49, a village headman and owner of AC Bar which is located near the murder scene, and his brother, Montriwat Toovichien, owner of In Touch resort and caretaker of AC Bar.

Both gave good cooperation to the police and they denied they had any connection.

 

 

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/new-twist-murder-two-brits-koh-tao/

[EyeOfRa]

  On 8/29/2017 at 5:45 AM, greenchair said:

Quote

 

Pornthip testimony for the plaintiff. 

Seminal fluid, sweat, and saliva all can be distinguished by dna, so that's why you can see a difference in the dna source because the dna from hannah was semen, but the dna from b2 is a saliva swab. 

So the dna report from hannah had 18 locations which is beyond the reading of b2 saliva which only had 16 location. 

In addition the defense complained there was missing dna location from the nipple of 20 and 25 from 2nd defendant. 

However, it was considered not to effect the case because there is a confirmed match in the semen. 

The offenders semen matched in 16 location, in the virgina and rectum. The 2 missing location from the nipple had nothing to do with the other area. 

 

 

A question: Do we have any reason to believe that there was, in fact, any semen found? 

 

If I recall correctly, the prosecution claimed at some point during the trial that the purported sample had been "used up". It would hardly defy credulity if this "evidence" was introduced to support a scenario in which the motivation for these crimes was sexual, rather than vengeful. 

Edited August 31, 2017 by EyeOfRa

[sambum]

7 hours ago, greenchair said:

Who cares the name. 

Nothing to do with this case. 

That issue should have been dealt with by the defense 2 years ago. 

Now we're all hoping the supreme court will uphold the verdict. 

Some are hoping the death penalty will be overturned because of their age. But since the human rights lawyers didn't ask for that, highly unlikely. I guess their next hope is a royal pardon. Let's hope they don't stuff that up with nonsense, someone else did it. 

"Who cares the name. Nothing to do with this case."

Then why would the defense be interested?

 

"Now we're all hoping the supreme court will uphold the verdict." 

Pardon me, but who is "we"?

 

You really are stretching the limits of your "extensive intelligence."

Edited August 31, 2017 by sambum

[Khun Han]

9 hours ago, IslandLover said:

Now we're all hoping the supreme court will uphold the verdict.

 

We?  Who are "we"?  Elaborate please? 

 

The only twenty people in the whole world who (pretend to) believe that the b2 are guilty + David Miller's family (who fell into the trap of thinking that the RTP are a police force, and not one of Thailand's biggest mafias).

[Khun Han]

2 hours ago, EyeOfRa said:

  On 8/29/2017 at 5:45 AM, greenchair said:

 

A question: Do we have any reason to believe that there was, in fact, any semen found? 

 

If I recall correctly, the prosecution claimed at some point during the trial that the purported sample had been "used up". It would hardly defy credulity if this "evidence" was introduced to support a scenario in which the motivation for these crimes was sexual, rather than vengeful. 

 

The Norfolk coroner found no evidence of rape. The crime was vengeful, and Hannah's body was staged later in a sexual and humiliating way.

[greenchair]

6 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

The Norfolk coroner found no evidence of rape. The crime was vengeful, and Hannah's body was staged later in a sexual and humiliating way.

That is just not true. Again it was andies testimony that interpreted the UK autopsy report. And we all know what the judge said about that. 

He is not an expert on autopsy or analysis.

His testimony is not worthy of being taken into account. 

[StealthEnergiser]

15 hours ago, IslandLover said:

Now we're all hoping the supreme court will uphold the verdict.

 

We?  Who are "we"?  Elaborate please? 

that's enough to convince me a group have been employed from the start to try and shut people.

 As soon as nomsod was being hunted there were an attacking group of posters getting one thread after another shut down .  

Nomsod Nomsod Nomsod is where all the troll attacks started from was you hired ?if so who hired you and your mates  greenchair ?????

Edited September 1, 2017 by StealthEnergiser

[rockingrobin]

1 hour ago, greenchair said:

That is just not true. Again it was andies testimony that interpreted the UK autopsy report. And we all know what the judge said about that. 

He is not an expert on autopsy or analysis.

His testimony is not worthy of being taken into account. 

How do you account for the contradiction found in the court judgement at page 3 and 48

Page 3 , Hannah was beaten unconscious and then raped, unable to defend herself

 

Page 48 ,the tear was a result of enforced intercourse in which the deceased put up a struggle resulting in a longer tear

Edited September 1, 2017 by rockingrobin

[stephenterry]

1 hour ago, greenchair said:

 

7 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

The Norfolk coroner found no evidence of rape. The crime was vengeful, and Hannah's body was staged later in a sexual and humiliating way.

That is just not true. Again it was andies testimony that interpreted the UK autopsy report. And we all know what the judge said about that. 

He is not an expert on autopsy or analysis.

His testimony is not worthy of being taken into account. 

 

 

It is true. Andy quoted from the Norfolk coroner's report - no evidence of rape. Her testimony is worthy of being taken into account, albeit the judge ignored it. And the humiliating staging of Hannah's body was photographed. The 'face loss' attack, carried out by Thai thugs with razor ring knives (see David's facial and neck wounds), was one of vengeance - a far cry away from any B2 involvement. 

 

If you're unable or unwilling to accept this reasoning, you'll never open your mind to other probabilities making more sense than the B2 were involved, full stop.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[stephenterry]

4 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

How do you account for the contradiction found in the court judgement at page 3 and 48

Page 3 , Hannah was beaten unconscious and then raped, unable to defend herself

 

Page 48 ,the tear was a result of enforced intercourse in which the deceased put up a struggle resulting in a longer tear

The contradiction is because it was all fiction. Without any original DNA samples, the rape scenario has been made up to fit the 'motive' of the B2 being sexually aroused - however, the motive (as can be seen by the extreme violence used) was one of rejection and revenge.  

[JLCrab]

IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE
QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION
Royal Courts of Justice
Strand, London, WC2A 2LL
Date: 25/08/2015
Before :
MR JUSTICE GREEN
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
7.
With that introduction I turn now to the facts.
(ii) The basic facts: the murders
8.
On 15 September 2014 two young British tourists, Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, were brutally murdered on the island of Koh Tao in Thailand. Hannah was also raped.

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/hq_15X0311_final.pdf -- Page 3

[JLCrab]

OOPS

Edited September 1, 2017 by JLCrab

[transam]

6 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE
QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION
Royal Courts of Justice
Strand, London, WC2A 2LL
Date: 25/08/2015
Before :
MR JUSTICE GREEN
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
7.
With that introduction I turn now to the facts.
(ii) The basic facts: the murders
8.
On 15 September 2014 two young British tourists, Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, were brutally murdered on the island of Koh Tao in Thailand. Hannah was also raped.

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/hq_15X0311_final.pdf -- Page 3

Murdered by whom...?

 

Were the B2 wearing rubber gloves, well the weapon seems to say so eh..

[JLCrab]

Beats me but according to Mr. Justice Green the late Ms. Witheridge was raped.

Edited September 1, 2017 by JLCrab

[Media1]

This is the best example of why the RTP elders and court judge elders should be stripped and removed. A simple audit of these so called government employees will reveal the extreme wealth of these crooks hiding behind uniforms and judicial benches destroying life's.  A sin on the so called government of 0 reforms. 

If you can't beat them join them lol

[Media1]

6 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

Beats me but according to Mr. Justice Green the late Ms. Witheridge was raped.

Raped by a Thai thug 

[StealthEnergiser]

This could of been what happened .

 

Sean,Hannah,David sitting on the log playing Guitar singing.

 

Drunken thugs come a long start pushing shoving a fight breaks out. 

 

Sean is  hit but escaped thats why blood was all over the guitar and his cut arm but he manages to take  off and he recognised them all and try to hide.

 

Calls media when he is found to save his life tweets photo's of suspects.

 

Sean has had his life threatened by Mon and the other cop plus  headman have done research quickly on Sean past underage girls i think.

 

They killed Davis first most likely then killed Hannah as she saw it all.

 

Set her up in a position to look like she was raped and went looking for scapegoats.

 

Village headman and cops are also holding something else against Sean like an  underage person willing to step forward at anytime if he speaks.

 

Sean has to be let go as too much media attention but in my opinion he is the man that could help the b2 to be released.

 

a little recap here

http://www.dvb.no/news/police-tried-to-manipulate-koh-tao-witness-court-told/54664

Edited September 1, 2017 by StealthEnergiser

[rockingrobin]

9 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

Beats me but according to Mr. Justice Green the late Ms. Witheridge was raped.

But that statement as to be taken in context with paragraph 4

 

In order to explain my reasoning it has been necessary in this judgment to record the arguments of the accused in the Thai proceedings. I should make clear at the outset of this judgment that, in setting out arguments made by the parties and in particular the Claimants about the Thai criminal investigation and the proceedings, nothing that I say is intended to express any view by this Court whatsoever on the merits of the issues arising in the Thai courts or upon the conduct of those proceedings by the authorities there.

[Media1]

On 8/21/2017 at 0:05 PM, Just1Voice said:

You will never, ever convince me that these two midgets killed David and Hanna.  Major cover up of the real guilty parties. 

 

Of course as a boy from.the streets one look l know there not capable.  My sister will beet them lol. The Thair are always protected. Even the lowest scum. RTP I put in the organization of crooks category 

[JLCrab]

The Justice said that these are the facts in the case.

Arguments are another matter.

Edited September 1, 2017 by JLCrab

[EyeOfRa]

33 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE
QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION
Royal Courts of Justice
Strand, London, WC2A 2LL
Date: 25/08/2015
Before :
MR JUSTICE GREEN
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
7.
With that introduction I turn now to the facts.
(ii) The basic facts: the murders
8.
On 15 September 2014 two young British tourists, Hannah Witheridge and David Miller, were brutally murdered on the island of Koh Tao in Thailand. Hannah was also raped.

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/hq_15X0311_final.pdf -- Page 3

And what was the source of these "facts"? The RTP?

(Please refer to 

"UK police broke law in case of British backpackers murdered on Koh Tao" topic

at https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/999408-uk-police-broke-law-in-case-of-british-backpackers-murdered-on-koh-tao/ )

Edited September 1, 2017 by EyeOfRa

[StealthEnergiser]

29 minutes ago, StealthEnergiser said:

This could of been what happened .

 

Sean,Hannah,David sitting on the log playing Guitar singing.

 

Drunken thugs come a long start pushing shoving a fight breaks out. 

 

Sean is  hit but escaped thats why blood was all over the guitar and his cut arm but he manages to take  off and he recognised them all and try to hide.

 

Calls media when he is found to save his life tweets photo's of suspects.

 

Sean has had his life threatened by Mon and the other cop plus  headman have done research quickly on Sean past underage girls i think.

 

They killed David first most likely then killed Hannah as she saw it all.

 

Set her up in a position to look like she was raped and went looking for scapegoats.

 

Village headman and cops are also holding something else against Sean like an  underage person willing to step forward at anytime if he speaks.

 

Sean has to be let go as too much media attention but in my opinion he is the man that could help the b2 to be released.

 

a little recap here

http://www.dvb.no/news/police-tried-to-manipulate-koh-tao-witness-court-told/54664

Sean stop being Gutless .

Edited September 1, 2017 by StealthEnergiser

[JLCrab]

That was the ruling of the Court.

Edited September 1, 2017 by JLCrab

[rockingrobin]

9 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

The Justice said that these are the facts in the case.

Arguments are another matter.

From the paragraph you quoted, 

'They were arrested and charged by the Royal Thai Police (“RTP”) with the murders of Hannah and David.'

No mention of being charged with rape