ExpatOilWorker

For once I 100% agree with you. Data from China is at best murky, but this time the data are suspicious. But, why? Why would a battery site report fake numbers? If you come across a better and more reliable source, please share. China is interesting, being a testbed for EVs and having a very fragmented, they will almost certainly also experiencing the most failures.

Somjot, thanks for taking the time to write all this and educate us. Much needed. Have you considered practicing at a small clinic in Thailand? I just had my first implant, Swiss made and very happy with the result.

56 fires/billion miles - ICE (US data, 100% correct) 5 fires/billion miles - EV (US, mostly Tesla and Western brands) 90 fires/billion miles - EV (Mainly Chinese made EVs, unverified data) If the below news are true, we are in for a hot ???? EV season in 2024. To summarize, 2,720 EV fires out of 6 million registred cars. https://batteriesnews.com/7-battery-electric-cars-day-catch-fire-china-most-involved-brands If anyone can find better and more reliable data for China, please share.

What are 10 years old EVs selling for in Norway, as a percentage of new price? Average mileage (km)?

The most complicated thing on these big trucks is the transmission and clutch. They are all diesel/electric by design, that is why the DIY conversion was fairly simply for this truck.

It took them 8 1/2 years to arrest him. The SWAT team wasted no sweat on this case.

EVs drive 50-70% of the yearly milage ICE does, so the 8,000 km/year is a fair number. The number of BYDs on the road will of course have to be averaged out and that is tricky when they are selling like hot bananas ????. A newly registered BYD will only add the 8,000 km after a year, so it is also a good approximation to use 6 month old sales numbers. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a35498794/ev-owners-low-mileage-study/

Please refrain general EV discussion in this thread, but feel free to post news links and information in the format: Date, Vehicle type, location, fire cause/type. First BYD fire ???? in Thailand ????????. September 3, 2023, BYD Atto 3, Udonthani, small fire while charging. Note, the fire was not in the main battery pack. Car is most likely salvageable. https://blink-drive.com/index.php/2023/09/03/first-byd-atto-3-catches-fire-in-thailand-an-isolated-incident-or-a-wake-up-call/ Total fires as of September 2023: 1 BYD registered as of March 2023: 12,000

The stats quote list 5 EV fires per 1.6 billion km or 1 fire per 320,000,000 EV vehicle driven km. 320,000,000 km/fire/(12,000 vehicles x 8,000 km/vehicle/year) = 3.3 year/fire

Using these numbers and with 12,000 Atto 3 on the road in Thailand each driving 8,000 km yearly we should see a BYD fire ever 3.3 years. Anything more than that and the statistics is lying. Time will tell. BYD Atto 3 is currently the best-selling car in Thailand for the years 2022 and 2023. As of March 20, 2023, BYD has sold 12,000 Atto 3 vehicles in Thailand

Finally a couple of brilliant minds that can see through all the EV propaganda. Good suggestions, thanks.

Go for 43 C, yogurt culture is thermophile.

If hell is located at the center of the Earth ????, then it could also work for this vehicle.

At the finals of the National Poetry Competition the two finalist were an unlikely pair. Finalist number one was a Harvard educated professor of literature and the winner of several previous competitions. Finalist number two was a young Marine Lcpl. from the hills of West Virginia who needed help filling out the entry form. The final round consisted of each competitor being given the same word and having thirty seconds to complete a verse, using the word. The Professor went first. The Judge said, " The final word this year is 'Timbuktu'" The Prof. started thinking. Ten seconds went by. Twenty seconds. The crowd became nervous. After twenty eight seconds the Prof. began, "Across the hot Sahara sand, Trekked the dusty caravan. Men on camels, two by two, Destination- Timbuktu." The crowd went wild, there was no way that the Hillbilly Marine would ever top that. The Lcpl. was brought on stage. The judge gave the word, "Timbuktu." The young Lcpl. looked to the sky, he thought for 10-15 seconds, stepped up to the microphone, cleared his throat, and began, "Tim 'en me, a-hunting went, Met three girls in a pop-up-tent, They was three and we was two, So, I bucked one and Tim Buck Two!"

Fair enough, confirmation bias got the better part of me. It would be nice to get some raw statistical data, rather than a news article. The age of the vehicle could also play a role. Most EVs are less than 5 years old, where there are many 15 years old ICE vehicles on the road.

I am not against Chinese EV, just want to see the statistical evidence. If they are better than Teslas, so be it, but show us the numbers.

Absolutely ???? % correct. Actually, you can group 2 and 3 together, as all EV. 90% would be from China anyway.

If you are afraid of information outside the EV box, just say so.

Try to keep up, that is cherry ???? picking Tesla numbers only for EV fires Vs. all brand and vehicle types for ICE. Let's see some honest stats for Chinese made EVs ????. You have those numbers?

Let me translate for you: The Chinese were covering up and removing evidence, so Beijing can start to scrub the Internet and remove any negative info about BYD.

Is asking for numbers/miles driven being bias? Good lord! We agree that ICEs is more prone to fires than EVs, but the numbers are not as rosy as the EV industry is claiming. I just want full transparency and so far a lot have been left out. Are EV fires happening mostly with specific battery types? Are EVs with larger battery pack more fire prone?

Ignorance is bliss, can help you then.

EV vs. ICE fires 1:61 (Sales) 1:11 (per billion km using Tesla numbers) 1:?? (Using all EV) You see a trend??? Maybe EVs are not as fireproof as the evangelists are preaching ?????

I saw those numbers, now play along and find the same numbers for Chinese EVs. The heat ???? is on.