OneMoreFarang

And what about if that university educated girl is small and brown? How high are her chances of finding a Thai guy with similar education who wants a little brown girl? Obviously all that is not fair and all that. But it's reality. So if only the darkest 10% are available for farangs that is still more than enough.

There is this famous sentence: Good girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere. I think there is a lot of truth about that. It seems many office girls learned how to behave properly. And they did this most of their life. Maybe if they drink they loosen up, but good girls don't drink (a lot). On the other hand most bar girls are way past that stage. They drink and smoke and dance do whatever they want. They live their life.

I think with (almost?) any relationship between two or more Thai people there is often a clear pecking order. Who is in charge, who tells the others what to do, and who listens and does what he/she was told to do. With Thai and Thai people together that is established and it works. That's the way it is. But farang men were told by farang women now for many years that they are all equal. It is not he who makes the decisions, they make the decisions together. And for a farang couple that might work. But if a farang man meets a Thai woman and the Thai woman expects that one of them is in charge and the farang man thinks they should decide together that does (I think almost always) not work. Because when she realizes that he is not in charge and doesn't even want to be in charge then she will take control. And he, being a nice guy, will understand and accept that she should make decisions. The problem is that he thinks she will makes some decisions and he will make some decisions. But it doesn't work like that. When she realizes that she can be in charge then she knows she is in charge and will tell him to shut up and do what she tells him to do. And too many guys realize that too late. Game over. And some guys learn from that. They realize: One of us will be in charge. It's me or her. And if I don't want that she is in charge (alone) then the only way to prevent this is to make sure I am in charge. And if it is established who is in charge then "normal life" can continue, because the ground rules are set. Thai guys have this behavior internalized. They make sure that she never gets the idea that she could be in charge or that she could be an equal. I am sure that explains a lot about Thai relations. P.S.: And if you think you don't want to be the dominant guy in your relationship with your Thai darling then you don't have to wait too long before she will be the dominant person in your relationship.

This thread is full of comments mentioning money in age gap relations. And I am sure money plays a role. But how about same age relationships? How many women of any age would accept a guy who has not at least the amount of money and income which she has? Women from any age group prefer rich guys. I guess some of them understand their position on this pecking order and they accept a guy who is only a little rich. But the principle is the same. So why should a guy choose an old woman when he can get a pretty girl for only a little more?

... and children!

Thanks, I will have a look at that book. From my early days in Thailand I remember there is one universal language: body language ????

Maybe you are the guy. But IMHO there is sex and sex. I didn't have much sex when I was younger. I wasn't Bred Pit or Mick Jagger. I am sure I could have had more sex at that time with some of those available ugly girls and women. I preferred not to go low like that. And now I am happy that I was not so successful with the girls at home when I was 20 or 25. Because if I would have been successful with them then I probably would have lived most of my life back home. Instead I moved to Thailand when I was 30 and had sex with lots of cute and beautiful girls. And then I picked the cutest of them and stayed with her. So much about the downside of not having sex at home when I was young. ????

I have this sort of Parent/Child kind of relationship, obviously with the big difference that we share the same bed. I didn't say you have to choose a stupid girl. I don't think I even had to mention a wet towel to my gf ever. If she is (relative) smart then she will learn all by herself and you can guide her in the more difficult situations. At least for me that worked and still works.

Personally I would definitely prefer a pretty Thai girl without much money. Because that is part of the dynamic of the relationship. I know some people want, or at least pretend, they want equal relationships. You have your career and she has her career and you both make a lot of money, have educated friends, etc. If that is what you want then go for it. Many of us don't want a relationship like that. We don't want a career woman - even if she is hot and wealthy.

Good luck with that. I find it always amazing how many guys move with the wife to her home town/village. And then it's game over.

Is that what you want to do? It might work. How do you think people learn? Normally the more experienced takes the leading role. And the less experienced person learns from that. It works like that in work, relationships, hobbies, anything. And if one person is a lot more experienced then there is almost no discussion. I.e. if there is a professor and a student then normally the student does what the professor suggests. And both know that's the way it is. In relationships it works in a similar way. Obviously it might happen that when the less experienced person gets older and gets more experienced that the situation changes. But I think in Thailand that is less common than i.e. in "the west". And let's not forget that Thais are often from a very young age on trained to do what the older people (older brother, sister, parents, grandparents) want. And most young Thai people have this behavior so much internalized that that is the way it is. And many will never question it. That's life. And the other part of this is the old person takes care of the younger. There you have your perfect relationship - at least for guys who like that kind of relationship.

And some girls with university degree prefer to work in bars because they can make so much money there. And it is obviously also a very different lifestyle. Most of the office girls I know are boring, at least IMHO.

Are all university aged Thai women same same? Some will prefer Thai men, some Japanese, some farangs, and and and

If only one in ten of the short time girls is willing to have a long time relation then that is still enough of girls for all of us.

Why do you think in Thailand women don't talk about that? It seems to me they talk about everything. But I guess not many 20 or 30 year old women will join those discussions because that condition is far far away. They can still talk about it and join the discussion when they are 40 or 50.

This sounds like: up to 20: perfect 20 - 24: ok 25 - 29: maybe >= 30: OLD

And that is exactly the reason why they are perfect wives, particularly with older partners, because they are still learning and accepting "reality" like it is.

Which obviously makes a lot of sense. After all, you bring your car to the office and not your house. ????

Is this good news? Would 100,000 orders or a million orders be better? Don't we have enough cars on the streets already? Imagine news like: This year only 3,456 people bought new cars because they had to replace their old cars. But 100,000 people bough 1 year tickets for the MRTA or something like this. Wouldn't that kind of news be a lot better?

That brings up the question: How many people knew what was going on, maybe for years? And how many people accepted it or didn't want to get involved and whatever. It seems nobody is surprised when just another case like this is made public. In how many schools does that happen? And what happens if any accusations like that come up in schools? Do the schools investigate? And if they find something, what do they do: Tell the teacher not to do it again and we forget about this little misunderstanding? Or maybe tell the parents of the molested children to better shut up or else? I suspect (without any hard evidence) that a lot like this is going on. And a lot of people know about it, including the schools and including the parents. And most of them let it happen.

Does your view also apply to the American presidents who decided to invade other peoples' countries? And does it apply to all those soldiers who invaded i.e. Afghanistan and Iraq and who killed people? And does it apply to all those people who voted for Bush and others? I think if we are realistic then we have to accept that life is complicated. Imagine if a Russian in Thailand (or anywhere else in this world) would go on social media and say what an as$#$# Putin is. He should be hanged and all that. And then, what will happen? Will this Russian person ever be able to return to his homeland? And how about his parents and other family members? Will Putin and his supporters say: That is a single guy in Thailand, we will leave his parents and family alone. Really? I don't like what Putin is doing. And I don't like when people support him. But I try to see reality. And reality is that soldiers all over the world have to follow orders. Or else. And people want to eat and they want to live in a warm home. Should they demonstrate on the streets and then freeze to death at home? It's complicated. One of my favorite quotes is: There are easy solutions for all complex problems. And most of the time they are wrong.

I thought they call that birth control.

I recently saw a video with psychologists and the question (in general) came up: What do you want? Many people answer they want a lot of money. Then the psychologist in the video explained that that is basically no answer. It says something like: I don't know what I want. First I want money and if I have money then I can take my time and think about what I want and how I will spend that money. It would be good if more people would think further than "I want a lot of money". Because if they would think further then maybe they think that they want a house and a quiet life with a decent husband (just an example). But if they don't think far enough and maybe they have or can have a decent guy and a quiet life then many still dream about having lots of money. What can I do that this guy gives me lots of money. For what?

That's why someone invented nurse and maid uniforms. When the girl wears them then she is playing someone else - without her own restrictions. ????

Obviously it is interesting to read all kind of comments here. But I think we should keep in mind our limited understanding of females in general, Thais in general, and then female Thais. How many of us know why women do what they do? And how many know how Thai people think and react. And how many know how Thai females, maybe 20 years younger or more, think? I remember a guy wrote (I think in this forum) about an office girl he was attracted to and it seems she was attracted to him. Later, when they were already a couple, he asked her why she chose him. And she said something like: "You always looked clean. I liked that." That was obviously not what he expected. And how many of us would even think that could be a remote possibility? I guess very few of us would think about that. After being with my gf together since forever I have a good idea what she wants and what she will do. But do I understand why she does it or want it? No. And I doubt she thought much about why. She just does it. Instinct or something like that.