Moonlover

Oh I do 'get it' In fact I'd got it before I even started my musing. The answer to my comment about the mind set on this forum is this: We are more important than them!

Ok so I'll swing it around a bit. Last week a Thai family of 6 was wiped out in a pick up accident. That attracted just 2 posts! That was local news too and a whole lot more tragic than this one.

Amazing isn't it. There have been more posts and pages in one day on this relatively minor incident than have been on the major disaster that took place in Korea 6 days ago. This post 14 pages 400 posts Disaster in Korea 12 pages 342 posts What does that say about the mind set of this forum I wonder.

I'm just tossing in my two pennies worth, I've no interest in arguing the toss about it. T-I-T, what will be, will be.

Thai Traffic Law Section 32 states: 'The driver shall be careful not to hit pedestrians and may use the horn if necessary. The driver shall be especially careful with children elderly persons and disabled persons'. The police will decide, of course whether the above applies. As is often said 'RTP, the finest police force money can buy'.

No he won't do jail time. It will be a pay out to the bereaved family and a 'broker's fee' to the police. Job done.

Definitely the way to go. The agents hadn't set up shop when I last renewed mine. 2 trips to Bangkok from Udon Thani cost me more than the 5,000 Baht that they charge. I read that they provide very good service.

You can buy Kindles in Thailand via Lazada or Shopee.

Well deduced. I think the top photo, showing the plume of smoke, or whatever was taken as they were heading north, parallel to the runway. There's a concrete structure which just shows up in the top left corner. So they were obviously over land at the time. And in the video you even see the birds scattering at bottom left!

But we do know when the pilot declared MAYDAY. It was after the bird strike. From the @Georgealbert's post on page 7 8:57L: Air traffic control broadcasts “caution - bird activity” advisory. 8:59L: Flight 7C-2216 pilot reports bird strike, declares emergency “Mayday Mayday Mayday” and “Bird strike, bird strike, go-around.” 9:00L: Flight 7C2216 initiates a go-around and requests authorisation to land on runway 19, which is by approach from the opposite end of the airport’s single runway. What we don't know is whether the pilot had seen the birds and taken any evasive action to avoid them. He was close to touchdown, so any significant diversion from the glideslope could have put them in a position whereby continuing to land would have been inadvisable. His actions, calling for a go-around, would suggest that's the case. This should come out of course once the flight recorders have been decoded.

The above posters are correct. You do not have chronic back ache. You have an acute spasm. There's plenty of sound advise above, so I'll not repeat it. However your long term task is to prevent it from becoming chronic and this is my recommendation. I first learned Dr. Root's methods almost 40 years ago when I was suffering just as you are now. It worked and the pain was gone within 2 weeks. I have never had a problem with my back since. I still use his exercise routine occasionally as a preventive measure.

Colin Falconer was my discovery of the year in 2024. I just love it when authors blend historical fact with page turning fiction and come up with a literary feast. I've just finished 'Stigmata', a novel set in a little known period in French history during the persecution of the Cathars in south of the country. As usual with Falconer, Some great twists in the story and a completely unexpected ending. (plus an epilogue to bring you back down to Earth again) I've already downloaded my next book, 'A Vain and Indecent Woman', so I'm all set to go. Happy reading for 2025.

I don't think that video shows the bird strike. @richard_smith237 the calculation you posted earlier, which I've no reason to dispute, would indicate that the bird strike took place whilst the aircraft was still over water. However, the video clip shows an aircraft over land with its gear retracted. It's only short clip and then it disappears from view , occluded by a concrete structure. (in the sea?) More likely the plume we see from the engine as it passes over is the result of a compressor stall, or similar resulting from bird ingestion. I'm guessing that the pilot would have retracted the landing gear because he now had reduced thrust from the damaged engine(s) and wanted to 'clean up' in order to maintain height. A pilot's number one priority in such circumstances. So why go for a landing on 19, rather than go around and line up on 01 again? To go around again would mean flying back out over the sea and both you and I agree, much to someone's chagrin, that ditching into water is the very last option. Going for 19 kept him close to the runway and overland. So back to the video clip, it was likely shot as the aircraft passed overhead on final and fated flight north.

Spot on @Phillip9. It was actually 3 minutes from declaring MAYDAY to landing on the runway. That's less time than it takes many of us to shave! They only had 2 options. Land or crash!

An unusual incident in that it was passengers in the cab that died leaving the only survivor being the one riding in the bed. It's more often the other way round. I note that this was a two door pick up, so there should not have been more than two people in the cab anyway. There are, of course no seatbelts available for passengers in the rear of the cab. An ominous start to the year on the roads of Thailand.

With the right exercises you can 'decompress' your spine yourself, for free. I do so twice a day and not any back ache in 40 years.

This incident turned into a disaster because the pilot, very stupidly, initiated a go around instead staying on the runway. The clip is even titled: 'Pilot's INSANE Mistakes Get 97 People Killed!' A Vulcan pilot made that mistake once in Malta and got 5 of his crew killed, including 2 of my work colleagues,

Sure works for me. 1 hour every day at least. Smart watch is my best ever cheap investment.

I used the word 'personally' and I added 'each to his own'. Please don't half quote me!

Personally I don't go for such gimmicks as this. TENS is the lazy person's approach to curing back pain.' Curing' being a misnomer IMO. But each to is own and I do know that acupuncturists our now using electrical impulses in addition to the needles, so there may be some merit to TEMS. I had severe back ache in my 40s and cured it myself using exercises prescribed by Dr. Leon Root in his amazing book 'Oh my Aching Back'. It's almost 40 years on and I can still remember the 15 minute routine and use it regularly to prevent any reoccurrence. The updated version of the book is called 'No more Aching Back' and is available from Amazon. Well worth the money for back pain sufferers.

Your long rambling missive says 'Ditching is a proper procedure in an emergency when there is no other realistic option'. There was a realistic option. It's called a runway and it would have been successful had it not been for the obstruction at the end of it.

I found an interesting article on the BBC website this morning with regard to bird strikes. (see below) There's been quite a discussion with regards to whether there was a double engine failure or not. I do want to point out that an aircraft engine does not have to be 'stopped' to be regarded as an engine failure. If its performance is reduced to the degree that it can no longer provide sufficient thrust, then that's engine failure. Someone reported that they could hear engine/s running when the aircraft landed. They could well be right, but that doesn't indicate that there was sufficient thrust available. Heavy damage to the turbofan, which the first stage in these modern engines can seriously retard performance as that is where most of the thrust is generated. And couple of geese down the intake for instance could certainly do that. Could a bird strike have caused S Korea plane crash?

He was not even legally allowed to ride the Forza. Minimum age is 18 years for a bike that size. Parents/guardians asleep on the job again.

If it wasn't a duel engine failure, why did the pilot declare a MAYDAY? As you have said yourself, they could have continued to fly on one engine, which would warrant a PAN call, not a MAYDAY. Your argument has no merit whatsoever.

So I'll assume from this post that you are now conceding that there is a possibility that there was a double engine failure. Personally, I am convinced that it was a double engine failure. And that conviction comes not from all the technical arguments, but from the pilot's actions, especially his radio transmission. If the aircraft had suffered a single engine failure, he would have made a 'PAN-PAN' call and followed air traffics instructions to make a second landing attempt. But he didn't. He declared 'MAYDAY-MAYDAY'. That screams at me a double engine failure. 'Get me on ground NOW!' I shall await, with interest, the results of the enquiry.