Scouse123

9 minutes ago, theoldgit said:

I’m not going to argue with you, you’re clearly more knowledgeable than me and it’s not going to help the op, so I’m going to leave it there.

Save to say that the fact remains a UK National cannot be issued with a UK Visa even if he’s a duel national, so you’re wrong in your belief.

The other fact is that he has a valid travel document which enables him to travel to the UK Border and evidence of his UK nationality which proves he is not subject to Immigration Controls, and will be landed.

I have stopped as well.

What would be very helpful though, for future reference, is if the OP asks and verifies your position when he gets to the British Embassy.

OP can you ask and report back here on TV, whether your kid would have been allowed to travel on a Thai passport without a visa because he has dual nationality and possesses an expired UK passport?

Then everybody will know without question or doubt. If I am wrong, it will be good to know for the future and I will stand corrected.

2 hours ago, theoldgit said:

You can of course disagree with me, that's your perogative.

 

You needed an ETD because your passport had expired and was no longer a valid for travel, though it would have got you into the UK had you been able to present yourself at the UK Border.

 

The OP's grandson still has a valid travel document so is able to leave Thailand in accordance with Thai Law and present himself at the UK Border, where he would show his proof of Citizenship and would be landed, in accordance with UK Nationality Law

 

As I, and others, explained earlier, when checking in he would use his Thai passport as it's a valid travel document, which yours wasn't, he would also show his expired British passport as proof of his right to enter the UK, rather like my wife shows her long term UK visa in her expired Thai passport when she travels to the UK, and indeed the EU with her valid Schengen Visa.

 

You say he has the option of applying for a UK Visa, that is completely wrong, he is a UK Citizen and as such cannot be issued with a visa.

 

You believe that its a "game of mix and match" would be and would be viewed as such, you believe wrongly, duel nationals switch passports every day of the week, probably hunderds of times a day.

 

At the end of the day the OP is concerned about getting home to see his mum, some of the "well meaning" posters are trying to offer advice on the quickest was to get him and his grandson to the UK without the time and expense of an unnecessary ETD, some of the "well meaning" people who have offerred advice, actually know what they're talking about, the lad could have boarded an aircraft as soon as a ticket had been purchased. 

 

 

Well, we will agree to disagree,

I see him as traveling on a Thai passport and as such requires a visa, regardless of his dual nationality. I believe travelers on Thai passports require a valid visa regardless.

One way for sure is for the OP to contact the consular section of the British Embassy and get the lowdown from them instead of here on TV.

Sure, people of dual nationality switch the passports when they are travelling to enter different countries. However, these people will be carrying two passports both of which are valid documents for travel, have any relevant visas and have not expired.

16 minutes ago, theoldgit said:

But your case was entirely different from the OP, you couldn't leave Thailand on an expired British passport, that's why you needed an ETD.

 

The OP's grandson has dual nationality and holds a Thai passport allowing him to leave the Kingdom as well as a UK passport, confirming his British Citizenship, allowing him to pass through the UK Border.  

I disagree with that,

His Thai passport has no visa so he cannot enter the UK or travel on it to the UK. If he wishes to leave on his Thai passport a valid visa is required.

His UK passport has expired and therefore requires an ETD.

This is not a game of mix and match and I believe that is how it will be viewed.

He has options. Get a valid Thai visa for his Thai passport or get an ETD for his expired passport otherwise, they won't let him check-in.

I recall the OP was asking for the fastest possible way to travel and rather than go through the procedure of applying for a visa, an ETD is the obvious choice. It's all well and good having dual nationality but it also subjects you to the laws, rules and regulations of two countries.

4 hours ago, rkidlad said:

And how do they maintain this veneer of upright morality and propriety - by shooting at people's cars? 

 

 

How does Big Joke do the same?

He was supposed to be at the top of his game, a leader in Thai society telling us all how to behave. Good guys in, bad guys out and all that.

Then the next thing his car is getting shot up in one of the low class areas of Bangkok, and what was he doing there? ' having a massage! ' in the renowned red light district.

Hardly classy and certainly not discreet.

He could have at least booked a decent hotel and ordered ' room service ' instead of this indiscretion in full view of the tourists and street hawkers of the Big Mango!

1 hour ago, thonglorjimmy said:

Whilst I'll bow to your professional knowledge, the fact remains that the OP's grandson has British Citizenship and, has been pointed out by others, whilst his UK passport may have expired his inalienable right to enter the UK as a British National hasn't.

With your professional experience are you really telling the OP that Border Force Officers will refuse entry to a British Citizen and require the carrier to fly him out of the UK?
 

You say that "99% of the time the airline will say no and refer you to your embassy", could you give actual examples of where this has happened?

 

The fact remains that the OP's grandson is not subject to immigration controls and will be landed on arrival in the UK, the carrier would not be required to return him to his country of departure and neither would they be liable for penalty charges under the Immigration Carriers Liability Act or detention costs. 

 

The OP may indeed decide to waste time and money on an Emergency Travel Document, but the Consular Section will probably advise him that it's not required.   

It happened to me!

see my other post. Sure, he has a right to enter the UK, but he has to get there and present himself first! and herein lies the problem.

I can only speak for myself.

I am a British Citizen by birth and after a problem years ago, I was delayed in Thailand and my passport expired. The British Embassy in those circumstances will issue you with an ETD Emergency Travel document. I DO NOT think but will stand corrected, that you can travel on expired documents from Thailand to the UK. I don't even think they will let you check-in!

If it was allowed to travel on an expired passport I already had one, why did the Embassy go to the trouble of issuing me an ETD? The Embassy was directly involved in my case as well and holding my expired passport.

The fastest way is to contact the British Embassy and seek an ETD.

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

At one time the British Embassies used to pay your fare back home maybe the system got abused and they used to take your passport off you until you had paid them back 

I don't know what they did way back when, but for a large number of years now, they have allowed people to linger in IDC for months and months awaiting on friends and relatives to send the cash. They have no time for what they class as ' feckless tourists and miscreants ' and really make a person sweat.

Even British prisoners that are repatriated under the transfer prisoner agreement with Thailand cannot get another passport until they have repaid the British Embassy for their airfare home.

Most of them travel back on emergency travel documents issued by the Embassy but are ' put on stop ' in applying/ receiving another passport until they have paid up for their return flight from Thailand.

7 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Glad to hear you're doing well Jim.

 

It's always easier to work when there's something to work toward without just being on the treadmill. More power to your elbow son. ????

+1

Well done that man. Instead of trying to stick it out knowing they couldn't afford to be in Thailand, the man has been proactive and done something about it.

Best of luck in the future, I hope it works well for you.

On 12/25/2019 at 5:52 AM, HuskerDo said:

"that town is like one big refugee camp"...…. yes, its not your mother's version of England anymore is it? Gives you a good understanding of what Thailand and the Thai people went thru with the huge influx of westerners, Aussies, etc over the years. 

What a daft post!  Comparing apples to oranges.

For a start the Thais do not need you to stick up for them or assist them in their already xenophobic ways that they have been taught to embrace by a unelected, autocratic, military junta/ government.

Next the huge influx of Westerners, Aussies etc as you describe it were warmly welcomed to these shores bringing in much needed tourist revenue in days gone by. These tourists brought money, prosperity and jobs to Thailand.

They paid for their goods and services, they contributed to the Thai economy greatly. They used hotels, bars, restaurants etc.

Some fell in love and married here and built houses all over the country and bought cars and pick ups. They improved life for those living in impoverished regions , Isaarn would be still a backwater in the sticks if it had not been for foreigners and their investment.

Pattaya, Phuket, Koh Samui, Chiang Mai, the whole lot blossomed economically on the tourist cash.

What they didn't and couldn't do when they came here, was tap in to the local welfare state because there isn't any such thing in existence.

If they were sick they went to hospital on insurance or paid for their treatment.

They don't beg on the streets nor ask the government for handouts or housing benefits, or money to live on weekly, because they have moved from a poor state from within the EU, and found the welfare better in countries such as the UK, a country where they have taken much and contributed nothing.

I FIND YOUR POST AND COMPARISONS RIDICULOUS.

1 hour ago, canuckamuck said:

Too be fair not everybody is experienced with fireworks, add a few drinks and you could easily make a mistake. And these things can be unpredictable.

The other night I lit off a firework which had six chambers that went of in sequence. We were in a safe place and it was level ground. regardless the first blast knocked the thing over, and then it was shooting the rest in random directions at head height. and they were exploding in our range.  I was there with five kids. Nothing to do but hope you don't get hit. The kids loved it though.

And that sums it up.

On this occasion it ended well, but it so easily could have gone wrong and pleasure turned to horror.

Probably, 99 times out of 100, the poor guy in Pattaya would have got away with this but fate just had it that day.

5 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Seems to me that Niphit is hiding something too. He said they were married, registered and he had been with his wife for a year.

In reality he only shared a room with her 2-3 days every week. Wonder where Niphit were sleeping the other 4-5 days every week?

Maybe he had a job where he worked away from home?

Stealing as we all know is wrong. This would be classed in any sane environment as ' petty theft ' Yes, it should be dealt with when the offenders are caught. I think present safeguards in force at the moment are adequate.The offender ends up paying a lot more for the stolen item, he or she or it, compensates the shop owner and the police as usual take their slice!

What does the shopkeeper propose happens to those caught shoplifting his inflated tacky tourist rags? Because by and large, that is all they are.

The tourist should only be charged and go to court for ' having no taste whatsoever and for crimes against fashion '

The tack that is sold at these stalls can be bought for pennies and of better quality in the offenders own country and the goods will at least come up to EU standards or equivalent and have a receipt enabling them to exchange faulty goods, in the hopeful event that they paid for them in the first place!!

These TV clowns and hang them high brigade advocating deportation and court appearances need to be careful what they wish for as foreigners residing in Thailand already face enough xenophobia as it is.

1 hour ago, SupermarineS6B said:

A few rags !  Hey, when the tsunami hit there were Thais robbing the place blind, including the dead......

Yes they were including the police going on to building sites where foreign workers were living in shanty houses and taking anything and everything (from cash to small gold chains they had bought as they had no bank accounts) from the Burmese workers and accusing them of theft

12 hours ago, Old Croc said:

There are three restaurants in the chain. Although it was an attempt to be funny, it could mislead readers into thinking there was more than one fire and was an insurance job. It could be considered defamation.

The other premises could also suffer cancellations on NY eve.

It certainly mislead me and I did actually think the above. I still fail to see any humour in the post by poster nev.

Confused.com

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I'm too old & sick to drink alcohol any more, even a little makes me throw up almost instantly.

Never mind, think of the money you are saving and no hangovers in the mornings!

Always look on the bright side.

Steve,

Your prices seem off for one way to Vietnam. Have you looked online at VietJet or Air Asia?

You are planning to fly back to Hawaii from Bangkok, aren't you?, or are you talking buying a new ticket in one of these destinations to get home, Your post is slightly confusing to me?

Also, just walk into a decent hotel with computers in the lobby , or an internet shop, and pay 20 baht or something to print off the online form.

6 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

There are certain airlines that I would never use, mostly on safety issues. Some airlines I would never use (unless they were the only ones operating a particular route) based on quality of service and price. TG and BA are two of those.

+1

9 minutes ago, elgenon said:

I know people addicted to diet coke. Getting off it is quite bad.

I have a fridge full of the stuff, and before we get the TVF doctors, I am well aware of the additives and water being better for me!

I'd stop drinking but I'm no quitter!.......Yeah, old ones are the best.

I had a boatload on taking a break in the UK but since returning on December 11th I haven't even had one including Christmas.

I just haven't felt like it, mind you, no weight loss ( which I care more about than boozing! ) as I have just hit the fridge twice as hard for food I brought back from the UK as in cheeses, sausages, bacon, etc!

Never mind, Start my diet again on January 1st.

Happy New Year 2020.

On 12/28/2019 at 2:45 AM, Gweiloman said:

Forget legal obligations. Think about moral ones instead. Did you pay her a salary all these years? Have you enriched her life? Has she enriched yours? Or have you strung her along and exploited her?

You mean like they do to us every day of the week?