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1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Tories only got 48 % of the vote, which means they lost .

Remain won again as they got 52 % of the vote, as they also did win the referendum with 67 % of the voters not voting to Leave .

Its just not fair, I'm telling ya

Either you are just trying to wind me up or using twisted facts and logic to support a daft argument.

7 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

The Brexit Party, UKIP and Conservatives were all categorically Leave parties, albeit in different forms. A majority for any of those 3 parties would result in us leaving the EU. 

 

The Labour Party was on the fence with Brexit. Their manifesto promise was to renegotiate a deal with the EU, then hold a 2nd referendum. So a Labour victory could still have resulted in us leaving the EU. Therefore Labour's 32.1% does not represent 32.1% for Remain. At a push it might be 20-22% of the Labour total representing Remain. 

 

The categorically remain parties; Lib Dems, Greens and SNP (although not all SNP voters are remainers) got just 18.1% of the vote. 

 

With respect, I think you're clutching at straws. 

 

Thank you,

And your above post puts a far more balanced representation of the election result.

And no matter what anybody says, the result was a Tory landslide victory. They openly stated their policies and further stated we were leaving with a deal preferably, but without one if necessary and the people backed that decision.

5 hours ago, Blue Muton said:

But I am looking at the total votes cast, which is the total picture, which is what the first past the post system ignores. Nothing in the slightest disingenuous in my post.

Because it was, and still is, a first past the post voting system in the UK, not one of proportional representation.

Labour and the left had no problem with this system when they were in power, nor did the Liberals when they were sharing power.

You are now trying to put up an argument regards the voting system, and one thing for sure, it isn't going to change the UK result.

5 hours ago, Fairynuff said:

Any list you like. I sincerely hope you get everything you voted for, you deserve it. I do however have sympathy for those who DON'T deserve what YOU voted for.

You mean the vast majority of people in voting areas who voted the same as I did?

I am sure they won't mind!

The ones who didn't get their way will just have to wait until there is a better democratic way of winning instead of screaming, stamping their feet, holding violent demonstrations, and attacking every person beliefs that do not coincide with theirs.

2 hours ago, Blue Muton said:

Pure nonsense. The Brexit Party got 2% of the vote. UKIP got 22,000 votes. The Conservatives got 43.6%. add that up and it's 45.6% - Labour got 32.1%, LibDems 11.5%, SNP 3.9% and greens 2.7%. That's over 50% - without including Northern Ireland, which is mostly pro remain.

 

Your claim simply does not add up, If Dianne Abbot made the same error that you did there would be thousands of meme's about it by now.

 

Why do you choose to misrepresent things?

Yeah,

Well in the UK we run a first past the post system. And it aint changing soon. You are refusing to look at the total picture.

It is Tories all the way and Bexit is happening.

AS THEY SAY, There are lies, damn lies and then as you are trying to use, statitistics!

3 hours ago, darksidedog said:

You have to say that the authorities have brought this upon themselves. In their desperation to save face and stop anything the slightest bit smutty from going on in town, they destroyed exactly what so many people visited for. People wanting a fun week or two away came here because that was what was on offer, and they didn't give a damn for temples and nature beauty spots, a point obviously missed by the folks that have killed the place.

I am sure the average bar or hotel owner would far prefer it to go back to how it was, rather than go broke in a "family friendly" but empty resort.

2 hours ago, smedly said:

although I highly respect most of your posts and find them to be a good read - you are way off with this one.

 

Having lived here a very long time I see no evidence of changes of the type you are suggesting.

 

 

What has happened however are three fold

 

- Thailand has become very expensive mostly down to the strength of the baht, people I know that came here on a regular basis are no longer coming.

 

- the authorities decided to treat western tourists with contempt, they are making it harder and harder for tourists from the west to travel and stay here, so why are they doing this - to my 3rd point

 

- they have foolishly overestimated the value that tourists from places like India and China bring here, there may be big numbers arriving but what are they doing when they get here - certainly not spending money because they generally don't have much, I see Indians wondering about in groups just looking, they may spend some time in hanging in massage joints looking for cheap relief but that is about the height of it

 

 

Thai authorities think that big numbers translate to big revenue - well it doesn't, they have alienated the big spenders who are now going elsewhere - to places were they fell welcomed and treated properly

I think it is a mixture of both of the above!

4 hours ago, Nkpjed said:

I’m all for the death penalty

Unless it's applied to you?

How can people be so pro death penalty in nations that are well documented for corruption and having no rule of law, or countries operated by despots and autocrats?

BIZARRE!

There is one mafia in Thailand and they all carry guns, drive pick ups with flashing lights giving an ' air of respectability '  and wear brown uniforms and any calls of Mafia by them, is to deflect from their own nefarious acts and deeds.

You are trusting law enforcement in a country notorious for setting up people and being totally corrupt, they are not answerable to anybody, they buy their rank and positions, they have little or no knowledge of the law and use extreme violence to beat confessions out of the innocent?

You sound a great guy!

3 hours ago, HHTel said:

It will be a mini-series rather than a film.

 

It's been widely reported on Thai media.

It is indeed a weird world.

One minute they were threatening to prosecute the team coach for extreme negligence, then when worldwide attention brings Thailand into focus, and that powers that be, see cash cow and unlikely prestige, they can ' as if by magic ' give boys that were not even Thai nationals, citizenship overnight. Thus, enabling them to fly all over the world and be treated like mini superstars, because it suits the narrative of the Thai government.

Meanwhile you have boys and girls studying hard for years, who were unfortunate and unlucky enough to be born in refugee camps, or half Thai ( the same as some of these boys) on the borders of Thailand, waiting between 8 and 10 years for recognition and citizenship.

43 minutes ago, Levi Patterson said:

My wife and I saw the movie and enjoyed it. I’ve recommended the film to friends in the U.S. Unless a film is a documentary, the director generally has creative license. The director has a couple hours to make a film regarding events that lasted more than a week. Perhaps the governor should come up with his own film that would meet his satisfaction.

If the Governor did that, there would only be the Governor in it.

Just now, HHTel said:

Well at least the boys got around 94,000 dollars each from Netflix on an alternative project.

How so?

Looking from the outside, the governor is annoyed because he has not been portrayed as highly as he thought he should have been and nor has he been the main focus at the centre of the movie.

We all know how sensitive these government people are; when it becomes an issue of how they want to be perceived, how they think they should be perceived, and how they actually are perceived.

I haven't seen the movie but I did watch the documentary. The skill, determination and bravery of all those involved was awesome.

I do feel though that the whole saga now has been ' milked enough ' especially by the Thai government and bureaucrats. It's now all about face and egos.

No doubt this will be a major ' tourist attraction ' for the next ten years or so and be charging foreigners ten times the admission fee over and above the Thais.

2 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

I'm happier when not have to work. ????

+1

22 hours ago, CharlieH said:

May be those that have a family or other relationships in Thailand. Its not always about the money.

Sure,

And many people are not just about ' cash ' they like work/home life balance.

I know many that don't care about money, but as such that they have enough to live off, but are happy to work for much less to be in an environment that they feel contented.

The world has literally thousands and thousands who quit the ' rat race ' of big salaries and high powered jobs to just be happy.

The OP seems to have a narrow view on life.

On 11/22/2019 at 3:57 PM, NancyL said:

Cyril, did you have arguments with the girlfriend during the month when you were off the alcohol?  Maybe you should ask yourself what's more important -- your girlfriend or the alcohol?  Would she be happier if you didn't drink EVERY day?  Maybe just a few days a week as a compromise with her?

You cannot ask an alcoholic just to drink a ' few days a week as a compromise ' do you know nothing about addiction?

Your first sentence is exactly the point of the matter and makes perfect sense!

The OP needs to ask himself that one question!

Antiabuse is satisfactory as an aid to assist a little bit, it is useless without the willpower to back it up.

8 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Mr Abhisit told police that Mr Prock was submerged, causing him to not see the tourist in the water.

 

Yeah, cause he was

And that's the whole point of it. Nobody here to say otherwise!

We now have no witnesses except the boat driver, a dead victim who was traveling alone and on his own.

Of course the boat driver is going to say he was submerged and outside the swimming area. He would do him no good to say otherwise.

And yes, conspiracy theories are abound, and do start when people who have been here a long time.

We see how these tragedies and misfortunes are constantly twisted, lied about, covered up, dismissed out of hand, because of the tourist dollar, in a country that nobody wants to take responsibility and safety is always a secondary concern.

It may have been genuine accident and he may have been outside the swimming zone, but after all the nonsense we see here every day, no wonder you have a public that is very skeptical.

Also, who is to say he went looking at coral when he was ' on his own ' or have they just surmised this scenario?

2 hours ago, HeyHeyHey said:

To open a business in Thailand you must give 51% control to a Thai

 

For each work permit you must employ 4 Thais

 

but someone frustrated that nobody in an American business can speak English is racist?

Yeah,

But we do not have to bring ourselves down to the low level of those who make the xenophobic and racist laws in Thailand?

There are plenty from the USA working in Thailand who cannot speak Thai that rely on Thai translators to get by, yes or not? I bet they also speak English to any fellow co workers in the office who are from the States?

Be fair, or do you want all immigrants to sing the star bangled banner every day?

You are a probably a descendant from immigrants.

Having said all this, I find the article hardly newsworthy.

20 minutes ago, cme said:

El Arenal beach is the Spanish equivalent of Pattaya beach, no more representative of Spain than Pattaya is of Thailand.

Hahahaha,

I went there once thirty years ago! It was full of Germans and all the Brits were around the other side in Magaluf!

It was OK because I was 27 at the time, I still even then, had no plans to return.

59 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Sorry, I can't think of any, what sort of things would you be thinking of?  I just don't think it's even touching on being illegal.

I think I can.

58 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Why would someone want to pretend to be somewhere where they're not ?

I think there are a few points here, some which I have come across:

1. A guy I knew down in Phuket had his money going into a UK account and had a friends address as his abode. This was because he was drawing pension and not entitled to annual increases if he lived in Thailand as it was not on the list of countries allowed by the FCO.

2. When you are out of the country for over a certain amount of months per year, you are classed as non resident and therefore not entitled to free healthcare from the NHS or to be registered with a doctor.As a non resident, not many banks I know will accept you in the high street.

3.Free healthcare and NHS services are provided for UK citizens/residents and those from the EU under reciprocal arrangements working in the UK. This is why they are clamping down on the free ' medical tourism ' to the UK. They want to know where UK residents actually are and that they are in the country.

4. People fraudulently on sickness benefits claiming long term health problems but actually sat in Thailand in a beer bar in soi 6 don't cut it.

All the above are illegal and that is why they would pretend to be in the UK whilst being elsewhere I should imagine.

1 hour ago, Just Weird said:

For a full state pension 30 years' contributions are required (unless you a man born before 6th April 1945 when 44 years NIC would be needed).  

 

https://www.gov.uk/state-pension/eligibility

I read differently.

https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension/how-its-calculated

Yeah,

I read this:-

And it says 35 years.

https://www.gov.uk/new-state-pension/how-its-calculated

Barry864,

It's not nice, it's not fair and its not ethical.

Also, to those prattling on about verbal contracts, do you think Thais give a damn about verbal contracts when the boot is on the other foot, without written guarantees? ...............What a crock of <deleted>!

However, you have no chance of a refund, and it will cost you a lot more to employ a lawyers services chasing this cash.

You could also if it went to a court, just like an unscrupulous Thai would, say in court that you were renting month by month, and you want your deposit refunded.

You will be given the run around until you get so frustrated that you quit chasing your deposit. Thai Chinese are not noted for generosity or compassion.

You should not on hindsight, have given the condo a super clean as it is not appreciated, and as another poster stated, allowed your girlfriend to stay in there until the expiry of the lease.

Also, again on hindsight,I would not have cleared up all the final bills and stretched it out until the end of the rental term and given them the run around like they are doing to you now. That is what a deposit is for, to cover any eventuality, which includes these utility bills as well as any damage excluding ' wear and tear '. Again, unfortunately, Thais landlords like to call wear and tear damage when it suits them.

Other posters are talking nonsense about verbal contracts, they very rarely stand up in Thai courts.

  I and many others on this board know the courts and legal entities are ' document mad. The court would have asked the landlady where was the documentation proving you had extended by another three months.The courts do not like, verbal agreements as it becomes ' He said, she said '

LIVE AND LEARN for next time, your deposit is gone.