lostoday

Remind me again, how many mass- shootings there have been in the UK since "many years ago"!

And remind us of how many mass shootings happened before the introduction of draconian gun laws in the UK.

Off hand, I can think of Hungerford (met two people involved in that some time later), Dunblain, and one in Leicester.

I can think of the Troubles but what does that have to do with an attack on Christians in the USA?

Read the post I was replying to. It might give you a clue as I was answering his point.

I don't see any relationship between banning guns and an anti Christian attack anywhere. People have been attacking Christians with wooden crosses and burning stakes and arrows and lions and no one has tried to ban wood or lions.

Guns were banned many years ago in the UK (except "some' shot gun owners), it didn't stop those who want to shoot folk from finding a gun.

Remind me again, how many mass- shootings there have been in the UK since "many years ago"!

And remind us of how many mass shootings happened before the introduction of draconian gun laws in the UK.

Off hand, I can think of Hungerford (met two people involved in that some time later), Dunblain, and one in Leicester.

I can think of the Troubles but what does that have to do with an attack on Christians in the USA?

Christians have been getting killed for a long time. Did the Romans blame the lions?

The young man did ask the Christians to stand up then shot the Christians right? We have not buried that fact yet have we?

What is it about the US that you feel the need to have a gun but in Thailand you dont?

Do you feel scared without a gun in Thailand?

Who said that? I didn't say anything about guns in Thailand that would be off topic.

Ok so you dont have a gun in the US therefore it doesnt worry you not having one in Thailand.

When I got to Thailand I had enough guns to wipe out a small country. I don't see what that has to do with a nut in the USA killing Christians because of their religion.

I haven't read all of this nor am I going to.

My only comment is directed to Obama, it was one of the best speeches I have heard him give, most ad-libbed and from the heart. He, has just about had a gut full of the right wing gun lobby and the frustrations associated with them.

Christians have been getting killed for a long time. Did the Romans blame the lions?

The young man did ask the Christians to stand up then shot the Christians right? We have not buried that fact yet have we?

What is it about the US that you feel the need to have a gun but in Thailand you dont?

Do you feel scared without a gun in Thailand?

Who said that? I didn't say anything about guns in Thailand that would be off topic.

Identified as a muslim? That means you can expect this story to disappear in an instant on CNN and the other mainstream US media.

No idea if he is muslim or not, but so far he has not been identified as one.

The only one claiming that is in the link of lostoday, where the 'identification' is based on a blog where one of his few contacts appears to be a muslim.

How many groups of people go around shooting Christians today?

Chris Harper Mercer a/k/a Chris Harper-Mercer, age 26, has been identified as the mass murderer in today’s killing of 9 people at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. Was he Muslim? Well, he forced students to identify their religion, and he shot at those who said they were Christian. And his MySpace page, featuring a picture of him with a rifle, identifes only two friends, one of whom is an extremist Muslim (redundant phrase). His Facebook page is obsessed with Ahmed Mohamed, the bomb clock Muslim. And he said he liked to torture insects. Sicko. Also, he was a fan of a terrorist group that trained with a Palestinian Muslim terrorist group.

Harper Mercer’s MySpace page, which identifies him as Chris Harper-Mercer, shows that he has two friends, one of whom is Mahmoud Ali Ehsani. Ehsani, who created a classy custom MySpace URL of “dick_hard_like_a_pistol” (let’s hear it for that “Islamic modesty” they keep lecturing us about), has two photos on his MySpace page–a koran and the symbol of Islam.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/79886/chris-harper-mercer-was-ucc-mass-murderer-muslim-obsessed-w-muslims-bomb-clock-liked-to-torture-insects/

Yet again...

Mandatory gun ownership (2 of) for every man, woman and child is the quite obvious answer.

and offcourse a few assault rifles an handgrenades

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

if he didn't have a gun he couldn't shoot them

Gun or bomb what's the difference. Are you going to ban fertilizer too?

I haven't read all of this nor am I going to.

My only comment is directed to Obama, it was one of the best speeches I have heard him give, most ad-libbed and from the heart. He, has just about had a gut full of the right wing gun lobby and the frustrations associated with them.

Christians have been getting killed for a long time. Did the Romans blame the lions?

The young man did ask the Christians to stand up then shot the Christians right? We have not buried that fact yet have we?

I wonder how long it will take till that salient issue becomes off topic and we are forbidden to discuss the reason the students were shot?

It seems he graduated from a school in CA for kids with "Special needs".

So probably medicated and bat shit crazy.

But of course Fox will be desperate to say this happened because he got radicalised, not because he was a nutter who was easily able to obtain firearms and ammunition.

Can't have that, can we?

Oh good, Megyn Kelly's on, can't wait to hear what she'll direct her histrionics towards.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-born-gunman-chris-harper-6558370

Guns were banned many years ago in the UK (except "some' shot gun owners), it didn't stop those who want to shoot folk from finding a gun.

Typical NRA BS.

How many mass shootings before the ban and how many after? Australia also introduced a ban... how many mass shooting before and how many after? I could go dig the information myself but no point since it is not really the issue. You could have tragic events such as this or Sandy Hook every day... no, on the hour, every hour. Nothing will change though because the life of a child is worth less than the desire to hold a gun.

When they had the Hebdo shooting in France why didn't people call for a gun ban? Is a cartoonist's life worth less than a child or student?

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

I have not read anything that says the guy was Muslim. In his dating profile, the guy says he's a conservative Republican, no religion.

What religion comes to mind when asking people if they are Christian and then shooting them?

Conversely, Hannity is almost desperate for someone to say the shooter was Muslim so that he can play the Muslim card and ignore the another-nutter-got-a-gun issue.

“At long last here is a photo of Chris Harper Mercer, the 26-year-old shooter in Oregon state. He is most certainly a Muslim.

I think God is really tired of these americans and is not blessing this country since years.

the USA is doomed by the millions of native Americans who have been killed and now spirits are haunting them. America will never find peace.

I m sorry for the parents, very sad day.

I agree with you but that's really confusing. You see Native Americans killed thousands of other Native Americans as the moved around and had wars for territory and possessions. So, are there gods up there running around haunting the people who are haunted? Or was it OK for Native Americans to kill other Native Americans?

And how is this all on topic? Is the shooter a Native American or is he working for the Native American spirits? I guess Native American would not care much for Christians. Althought the West Coast indian tribes are doing pretty good I hear. You might want to google Oregon tribal casinos.

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

I have not read anything that says the guy was Muslim. In his dating profile, the guy says he's a conservative Republican, no religion.

What religion comes to mind when asking people if they are Christian and then shooting them?

Guns were as powerful as 100 years ago?

Please tell me about many sub rifles machine guns they had with their muskets ?

The answer to your last question is simple : it is easier and easier for disturbed people to get guns.. And lot of teenagers are temporarly or not.

The question the pro guns never answer to is : why so many shooting in USA and not so much in europe? Why since Australia restricted gun there was not any mass shooting?

Thompson sub machine gun invented 105 years ago 600 rounds per minute.

Browning Automatic rifle invented 105 years ago 600 rounds per minute.

Any other questions?

Sure please add a comparison with the guns you spoke about and how easy it was to have them, for exemple could you own one at the same time you bought tomatoes and their avaibilities on the market. Also please let me know how efficient they were, their weight... compared to the actual ones... If they were as efficient as the ones we have nowdays why did they become obsoletes?

Let me know the average time to reload a musket as well while you are at it?

Back then anyone could buy a machine gun so machine gun ownership was way up. Anyone could walk into a gun store and buy a fully auto machine gun capable of 600 to 900 rounds per minute. Many hardware stores in America back in the good old days carried machine guns so anyone could buy them.

Average shooters can load and shoot a musket about 3 times a minute. The battle of Gettysburg claimed 50,000 American lives in three days many from .51 cal musket fire.

Any other questions? Colt six gun came into use around 1850. So it would be easy with two pistols to get off 12 shots in a few seconds. A Texas ranger with two carbines and pistols could get off around 26 shots from his horse in a minute or so.

Americans were just as dangerous 100 years ago and gun ownership was with far fewer restrictions than today.

Guns were banned many years ago in the UK (except "some' shot gun owners), it didn't stop those who want to shoot folk from finding a gun.

No, but it sure does make it much harder.

So in the UK a Muslim guy chops off soldiers heads with a knife and in the US a Muslim guy shoots people. Do you find anything in common with these two events?

Two bastards wanting to kill people. Luckily the UK one didn't have access to assault rifles in the local shopping mall.

I really don't see much difference. The guy in OK made a bomb out of fertilizer and killed a couple of hundred and injured 700 and he didn't use a gun. You have to stop the nut cases. Nuts can always find a method to kill.

Yet again...

Mandatory gun ownership (2 of) for every man, woman and child is the quite obvious answer.

and offcourse a few assault rifles an handgrenades

I think you guys are off topic. The thread is about a Muslim guy asking students who is a Christian and then shooting them. It's a common theme in the Middle East and has arrived numerous times on Western shores. Why are you trying to make it about gun control?

Rubi ( a trusted poster here) said it was so people would stop chatting and go back to work. Was he wrong?

If it is the Rubi I am thinking of it would not. Rudi would just spend more ime talking to himself

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/856889-prayut-blames-political-leaders-for-problems/page-5#entry9917091

It's not being cynical, this

Amidst widespread criticism of the single gateway concept, Pol Lt Gen Prawut confirmed that the matter is currently under study by all related agencies and nothing has been decided yet.

is an outright lie. Many of us thought this idiocy would be quietly dropped but given these ongoing statements, together with even the usually reasonably conservative BP headlines AND 'pro royalists headed by Pra Buddha Issara (what a joke)' are demonstrating against the US outside their embassy. Someone's not very well.

With apologies for going off topic, what are they protesting? There doesn't seem to be any mention in the news forum...?

'Biased Thais' who criticise Thailand and who support HRW. Unable to link but on front page BP today.

Rubi ( a trusted poster here) said it was so people would stop chatting and go back to work. Was he wrong?

Guns were as powerful as 100 years ago?

Please tell me about many sub rifles machine guns they had with their muskets ?

The answer to your last question is simple : it is easier and easier for disturbed people to get guns.. And lot of teenagers are temporarly or not.

The question the pro guns never answer to is : why so many shooting in USA and not so much in europe? Why since Australia restricted gun there was not any mass shooting?

Thompson sub machine gun invented 105 years ago 600 rounds per minute.

Browning Automatic rifle invented 105 years ago 600 rounds per minute.

Any other questions?

So you finally agree. It's the people, not the gun. Glad to see.

You got me mixed up with the other guy.

Did no one wonder why no US politician runs on a platform of getting rid of guns? Well? It's because no one could get elected on that platform against 100 million adult Americans who own guns and who vote. They may talk about getting rid of certain types of guns but they can't get the support for it. Or they may talk about more registration and so on, but no one is getting rid of guns.

No one.

You're actually right. The way our system of government works, major gun control legislation will never fly. I don't think even a socialist like Bernie Sanders as President would be able to do anything. It's so much a part of America these days that it would take....Lordy, something like an authoritarian government to do it.

So it'll just keep happening. Over and over again. And in more audacious ways. Schools? Not a big deal anymore, go into a Wal-Mart and take out 100. Churches? Done that. Go to Madison Square Garden and take out 200. Movie theater or military base? Ho-hum. Go to the beach during spring break and take out 150. That's right all of you disenfranchised and lonely Americans! You're a nobody now. Kill a few dozen innocent people and you'll be famous!

Yes, this is the America that we want.

We moved to Thailand.

With apologies for going off topic, what are they protesting? There doesn't seem to be any mention in the news forum...?

The "great firewall" of Thailand.

Guns were banned many years ago in the UK (except "some' shot gun owners), it didn't stop those who want to shoot folk from finding a gun.

No, but it sure does make it much harder.

So in the UK a Muslim guy chops off soldiers heads with a knife and in the US a Muslim guy shoots people. Do you find anything in common with these two events?

Guns were as powerful as 100 years ago?

Please tell me about many sub rifles machine guns they had with their muskets ?

The answer to your last question is simple : it is easier and easier for disturbed people to get guns.. And lot of teenagers are temporarly or not.

The question the pro guns never answer to is : why so many shooting in USA and not so much in europe? Why since Australia restricted gun there was not any mass shooting?

Thompson sub machine gun invented 105 years ago 600 rounds per minute.

Browning Automatic rifle invented 105 years ago 600 rounds per minute.

Any other questions?

What films have been banned and why. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_films

I didn't know NZ banned Mad Max. Once censorship gets a foothold I guess anything can happen.

Listening to certain people who brodcast on TV daily can contaminate children.

Thailand needs a decent constitution and bill of rights so this kind of stuff can't happen.

I got the TV on right now. CNN is reporting, Muslim shooter asked if students were Christian and if they were he shot them. The police are searching for a motive.

Half a million people have crossed the Mediterranean into Europe in 2015, with the largest number from Syria, where 250,000 people have been killed in a civil war.

Just to get some figures right here:

Since Sept. 1st 270.00 refugees came to Germany alone, half oft hem unregistered.

By now it is almost a daily routine for the police to stop fights between different ethnic and religious groups in the camps. It looks like the "refuge seekers" only import the problems which left their home countries in a mess to a new location where they receive shelter, food, housing, and money.

How long will the native population tolerate this behavior?

Until a guy like Trump runs for office in Germany and France and the UK.

I think Germany tried one solution but it didn't work out too well for them.

Because of aging populations both Germany and Japan really need more working age people to support large groups of retired people.