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If they were hoodwinked in the first place by false promises about what Brexit actually meant, then surely it's highly irresponsible to not offer a second referendum, based on more accurate information.
 
This misdirection was in fact mostly caused by the media, with a vast majority of tabloid articles creating pro Brexit propaganda, coupled with the poll opinions that leave was a very unlikely outcome, causing mass complacency in the younger population, few of whom probably bother much with the tabloids and many of whom didn't bother to vote.
 
The UK was in a strong position in Europe a year ago and now the prospects look very dire for the country - why are none of the major parties seriously considering halting this fiasco? 

Unfortunately a lot of people do form there opinions based on the newspapers they read. Newspapers are obsessed by their own overdulged self importance [ "It woz the SUN wot won it" famous headline ]. After I voted on the day of the Election I saw the Daily Mail in a public Library. It had the first 12 pages of news devoted for Theresa May and Anti Jeremy Corbyn. Part of the Brexit campaign was about the interferance of Europe in UK politics. No one ever mentions the over interferance influance of foreign newspapers. The laws from Europe were only 13% over 20 years despite what Nigel Farage exagerates. Most European laws deal with product specification and safety that keeps the cost of goods down over the whole of Europe. The immigration problem was caused by our own politicians who free movement of labour immediately, when Germany, France and Italy put a 6 or 7 year delay on the free movement. Europe cannot be blamed for our mistakes, which is why Brexit is wrong.

Yes what is the National debt?! Currently running at over 1trillion pounds and the interest alone is 56 billion a year paid to the private individuals who own the BofEng. Come on McDonald and Corbyn be brave and end this madness.

The politicians are at fault -- for not providing a decent basic education so that people can make reasonably intelligent choices.  Manifestos need to be covered by the advertising standards authority to eliminate the gross abuses perpetrated by political parties on the electorate. 

That is the mantra of all the foreign owned newpapers who all supported Brexit against the best interest of the UK.

I don't remember being given a choice of hard or soft Brexit in the referendum. You've just made the case for a 2nd referendum, so that the people can decide.

You have an even greater divide in the Tory party than you had before the referendum ... amazing that such a scenario is even possible. The new Scottish MPs don't want hard Brexit, the DUP don't want hard Brexit, and the majority of the English MPs don't want it either (although they toed the line when May had the upper hand). May is now seriously weakened ... and unfortunately the Tories are once again going to tear themselves apart over Europe.
 
A few rebellions, a by election or two, being held over a barrel by your new friends in the Orange Order ... not to mention a strengthened opposition in Parliament ... it's just not sustainable. May has been crying a lot lately ... with much more to come.

 
Not a hope in hell. Especially if it's a rehash of no deal is better than a bad deal. May will be gone by Conference season.

And the revenge of the young at last week's election has been sweet.

 
May had a deal with Paul Dacre of the Daily Mail, the right hand man of the owner. Boris gets mugged by Michael Gove (whose wife Sarah Vine is a lead journalist for the Daily Mail) and Leadsom gets slaughtered by the same newspaper. The party faithful would not have given her the vote if these two had remained in contention ... so we get a coronation. And in return the electorate gets a zealot hellbent on the hardest of brexits and to hell with the rest ... the 48%, the youth that didn't vote, business leaders, her own remain supporting MP's.
 
You talk about the House of Parliament working together ... I agree, all the views should have been heard and carefully considered before a brexit strategy was drawn up. That would have been the best way to unite the nation. That did not happen though, did it? You were not calling for that when it looked like May was heading for a landslide ... you couldn't give a fig about what other people wanted then. Now the 'snowflakes' and 'removers' are in the ascendency, and you folk don't like it ... suck it up and respect the "will of the people".
 
 
 
 

That's simply not true. May has explicitly stated that the UK would leave the customs union and the single market, she has also insisted in including foreign students in the immigrant numbers and committed to a number in the tens of thousands. I suspect that is what she agreed with the Daily Mail when they supported her for the leadership and trashed her opponents. What I have just described is the hardest of hard brexits ... not what business wants, not what many Tory MPs want, and by the look of things not what the electorate wants. 
 
Farage made a commnent about May not being a leaver. I don't believe that she was ever for remain as she never appeared to campaign for it. She stayed loyal to Cameron because she thought Leave would lose, she knew he would be resigning before the next election and that it is better to be in the Cabinet when you go for the leadership election. 
 
If May attempts to pursue a hard Brexit she will be gone in weeks. It's all over for that strategy. All political careers end in failure ... as she is now painfully aware.

I'm not so sure that the Tories will be rushing to replace May, the risk of another election is a Corbyn Government ... not what the hard Brexiteers were hoping for. The hard Brexit days are gone, May knows she can no longer set the agenda. What I disliked about May was that she sold her soul to the right wing press to be Prime Minister. They destroyed her competitors in return for a promise of a no compromise hard Brexit. That's now dead. If she wants to survive she has to pursue a Brexit deal that has support of a broad UK population ... and once that is gone she is finished. 

Even with the SNP in his back pocket Corbyn ain't going to have enough MP's to take on the Tories and Nicola ain't going to get in bed with him for anything less than IndyRef2/3/4/5/6....

I'm certainly no Jeremy Vine, but what are the choices, the Tories either work with DUP or give the reins to Corbyn, there are no other parties to share government with, the LibDems don't want to know.

Some of you are so consumed with EU hatred that you gloss over key issues
 
1) What about the Northern Island Peace agreement. How can we continue to mediate and be in bed with one of the key players at the same time?
 
2) What about DUP links to Ulster paramilitaries?
 
3) what about DUP misogynistic, homophobic, anti abortion stance
 
4) Are we now going to favour NI over other regions?
 
5) John Major refused to deal with Ian Paisly's gang when he was in a minority situation
 
Frankly the comments on Labour policy are not worthwhile debating. I do not agree that the way to compete is to have the lowest corporation tax. Are we not better than that? Can we not compete with the Germans on a level playing field? Are we not good enough? Seems not...

Why? He is the one who said on Brexit "I haven't a clue." He is no more a better option than Theresa May.

"As far as the Commission is concerned we can open negotiations tomorrow morning at half past nine,"  
The EU's foreign policy chief, Federica Mogherini, said it was uncertain when Britain would have a clear Brexit strategy.
"One year after their referendum, we still don't know the British position in the negotiations on Brexit and it seems difficult to predict when we will, 
 
We know when it started and as Tusk observed and as you state we know when it all ends but I think its the in between that appears to be the problem on the British side.

Yes, some form of change is likely to happen, but it might be minor .... and perhaps so minor that you'll wonder why we bothered in the first place. There is no mandate for "no deal". And our current businesses do not want hard Brexit ... car parts criss cross borders constantly ... if you have to go through customs continually you effectively render that business redundant. DUP leader recognises the business impacts and that is why she is not for hard Brexit ... that option is gone. Robert Peston quotes a senior Tory (unnamed) on May - "we all hate her". How long do you think she will last?

 

 

TM has made it clear to 'all' she is seeking the best deal for the UK.

Let's simplify this a little, there's an EU trade deficit which the EU want to continue as its individual 27 members have vested domestic interests to ensure the EU obtains a business focused deal. The German business federation has made it clear to Merkel to ensure this happens, the EU does not want to pi$$ off its other paying members.

However, TM also made it clear that if the EU even attempt to punish the UK (to deter others leaving basically) then she's quite prepared to walk away.

Lastly, I wouldn't class the EU divorce after 40+ yrs as 'minor' the EU were relying on the fact that the British usually vote the safe option 'fearing' change, the EU got so politicalised and interfering that it shot itself in the foot and the majority 17million voters said enough is enough.

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May's majority by the support of the DUP, may not last long. An overall  majority of 4 seats is so small she can be brought down and another General Election held before the end of the year.

The electorate will not want nor appreciate another GE whilst Brexit talks are ongoing.

It's in the DUP's best interests to ensure they support May, in turn NI will get well looked after.

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Did you not watch the election? Did you not understand the result? Hard Brexit has been kicked into the long grass ... it's either soft Brexit or no Brexit. David Davis has essentially acknowledged that there is no mandate for hard Brexit. 

I wish you had been right!

I keep reading here on TV that LABOUR have done well, while the CONSERVATIVES have had a bad election. This I cannot disagree with.
However how has the Conservative vote held up, compared with a slightly lower turnout in 2015, when they obtained 11,330,00 votes.
I have tried to find the answer on goggle without success. 

You are right and that is why they came out this time and crashed the Tories.  Too late to stop Brexit but it certainly stops May's stupid "hard" one.

Back in the real world a second referendum would return a decisive remain vote.  However it isn't going to happen and the best we can hope for is a Norwegian type deal.

You clearly were not watching

 

The Labour manifesto was fully costed

 

The Cons didn't bother

Fully costed?

That phrase is questionable regarding Labours manifesto.

Can't cost when the country is skint, McDonnell's magic money tree consisted of bonds and borrowing will resolve all the country's issues.

Oh hold on, wait a minute...

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