Walker88

Lou, post some of these 'many times'. You're so certain, it should be easy.

You can be of the opinion that the sun rises in the west and sinks in the east, too. Reading the indictment, and noting how it is backed up by video, email, messages and under oath witness statements---none of which have been contested, as the current defense tactic is to say trump has a right to lie about the election---says you simply think the sun rises in the west and you're going to stick with that.

trump's defense seems focused on trump's First Amendment right to lie. That means they will be admitting in court that trump lied and knew he lost the election to Biden. I wonder if the cult will not only applaud the defense tactic where trump admits to lying and losing, but still believe he won? When two polar opposite things are wholeheartedly embraced as factual, that is evidence of a cult. We've already seen this absurdity in trump's earlier indictment over the stolen classified documents, where his followers believed BOTH that trump declassified in his mind (sic) and also that the FBI planted the docs.

You either haven't read the indictment, or you are unable to understand it. I have to believe you're just trolling.

"Technically" maybe I shot the gun, but the bullet was what killed the deceased, not me" According to the indictment, when trump and eastman were trying to force VP Pence to decertify the election results, eastman said, "it's only a minor violation of the ECA". When the SC's evidence indicates the bad guys knowingly broke the law, that's not good.

You make blanket statements with absolutely nothing to back them up. When confronted, you resort to pabulum and weakness like "my explaining it to you will not help!" Though you're deep in the fever swamp of the cult, READ THE INDICTMENT. Note all of the videos, emails, messages and multiple witness testimonies (under oath) by people trump hired or appointed.

Please give us that history. Otherwise, you're just guessing. As for this indictment, videos, emails, memos and messages, plus multiple witness statements from trump's own people, are FACTS. The only point of the trial is to let trump make some excuse up, and then if at least one jury member believes what will be an obvious lie. Technically your point about trial and evidence might be correct, as Al Capone must never have had anyone killed, but he did cheat on his taxes....hence, jail. Of course Capone did have people killed, just as trump was intimately involved in a scam to overthrow US democracy.

Well then he must be a really poor leader, if he can't even keep his goobers peaceful. Hardly qualified to lead a nation of 335,000,000 people if he can't keep his actual supporters in line. BTW, what 'voice' must Congress hear? That many are whining because democracy said no to trump?

No, it wasn't debunked. It was marginalized by 1) restrictions put on Mueller, and 2) AG Barr getting in the way. FACT: Campaign Chair manafort traveled to Spain to meet GRU asset konstantin kilimnik, gave kilimnik internal polling data, kilimnik gave it to the GRU entity Internet Research Agency, who then microtargeted voters in key swing States with fake stories about HRC or other Dems, such as the silly uranium story. That FACT appeared in the (R) written SSCI report on russia. I submit you have minimal actual knowledge of the russia interference. It may never be fully publicized, partly because it might reveal critical clandestine sources and methods, violate commitments made to foreign intel liaison services, and mostly because trump commits crimes so quickly that there's plenty to charge him with now.

You have to add VP Mike Pence, who did not cave, faced threats, yet still did his job. I'm not otherwise a fan of his, but he stood tall when it counted. Add Brad Raffensperger of Georgia and the Speaker of AZ House. And all the Capitol police who stood firm against the terrorists on 6 January. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger for putting country over political ambitions.

trump should already be in jail awaiting trial for the stolen classified documents. Some 21 year old kid at Otis Air Force base on Cape Cod had much less sensitive docs and he was jailed pending trial. trump stole, then lied about, documents classified TS/SCI, SAP, Codeword, HCS and RD, yet he gets to walk free. Jail him.

trump has always been a clown...dare I say a$$h0le. On 21 January 2017, rather than sit in the WH where a Code Pink protest was happening outside, trump came up to agency HQ in Langley. At first Mission Center Chiefs and SIS officers had to listen to a private speech by trump, who spent the entire time telling everyone how great he was. Then he went to check out the terrorism center before going back to the lobby, where he made a speech in front of the Memorial Wall. Most of us have friends on that wall. Outgoing Ex-Dir Meroy Park introduced him, and then it became a total embarrassment. There were 6 rows of chairs set up for an audience. The first 3 rows were reserved---for new WH staffers that came to the agency on buses. They were the trained seals, hooting and hollering at everything trump said---all of which was more of telling everyone how great he was. Real agency folks were stuck in the back 3 rows, wondering who the eff the clowns were in front, and as our job is reading and assessing people, realizing that trump was an ignorant, lying, self-serving Narcissist. It was a revolting display and an affront to the men and women who sacrificed for the country and were immortalized with stars on the wall. trump was barking about how massive his Inauguration crowd was (a lie, it wasn't even 25% the size of Obama's), how he was 'like...really really smart', how he had more TIME magazine covers than NFL QB Tom Brady, and the scam was to pretend the agency was really supportive of him by having his goobers bused in from the WH make all the noise.

If the foreign election interference was in US elections, and every indication is that the trump campaign worked with the foreign influencer (Campaign Chair manafort-GRU asset konstantin kilimnik), which is illegal, then real patriots want to pursue it. It isn't 'whining'; it is following the law. That durham specifically chose not to pursue to many leads and facts is irrelevant. That doesn't exonerate the trump campaign. It is only now, that trump has committed so many additional crimes that russia has taken a back seat. It may well be the FBI continues to get to the bottom of it.

Oh, so it's okay the russians helped trump, and trump's Campaign Manager manafort helped russia? That it happens I don't disagree, but that does not mean---since it's illegal in the US---it shouldn't be pursued. The only reason the full and complete russia story isn't being investigated (I cannot say for sure, as new intel comes in all the time, and the FBI may well have an ongoing investigation) is because trump has committed so many other crimes since. Convicted sex offender, convicted charity fraudster, indicted for bank and insurance fraud, indicted for slander, indicted for FEC campaign violations, indicted for stolen classified documents, indicted for attempting to overthrow democracy.....Al Capone was a mere posseur compared to trump

One of the more chilling parts of the indictment relates to calls and WH meetings where "Un-indicted Co-Conspirator #4", who can be no one other than jeffrey clarke (see his image below) tried to push a bizarre plan to have DoJ send an official letter to various State officials informing them (lying) that there had been fraud in the election and that State officials could appoint their own Electors, who could vote trump. Clarke had raised this with trump in unauthorized and illegal WH meetings (DoJ officials are not supposed to meet with WH officials nor POTUS unless authorized by the AG). At the time clarke was a DoJ official in charge of environmental matters. Because trump liked clarke's idea of the official letter, he considered appointing clarke as Acting AG, and told him so. clarke told trump he accepted the offer to become Acting AG, and then contacted the actual Acting AG and Deputy AG. clarke, told them trump appointed clarke as Acting AG, but that clarke would decline if the Acting AG and Deputy agreed to send clarke's manufactured official letter. Both men refused. clarke then relayed his plan to the Deputy White House Counsel. Counsel told him "there is no world, there is no option, in which you don't leave the White House on 20 January". Counsel added that if the trump Administration did not leave as required by law, "there would be riots in every major city in the United States", to which clarke responded "Well, [Counsel], that's why there's an Insurrection Act." For those who don't know, the Insurrection act obviates Posse Comitatus Laws and allows a POTUS to put the US Military in the streets to quell protests. clarke, in other words, thought it would be okay to have the US Military gun down Americans who were opposed to the installation of a dictator. All of this is on pages 27-30 of the Indictment.

It's probably useful that you stay with this thread, as from your own statements, your English vocabulary is clearly in need of expansion at least to 10th Grade level.

It's possible trump's miserable handling of Covid, his advice to inject Lysol and stick a UV light up your backside, his withholding of (R) voted aid to Ukraine until Zelenskyy manufactured fake claims against Biden (despite the partisan Senate not voting to charge trump, the American people know trump was guilty), the skyrocketing debt trump was issuing (new debt of $7,800,000,000,000 under him), the abysmal rate of Unemployment (6.8%), the Recession, and trump's endless lying (30,000 while POTUS, per WaPo) and acting like a spoiled child had something to do with him getting crushed by Biden. Maybe AMericans got tired of that sort of 'so much winning'. Looks like he also wasted money and put himself in legal jeopardy by breaking FEC laws when he paid off Stormy so she wouldn't speak of their affair nor would she note---as she did later---"not quite freakishly small, but well below average". trump illegally squelched that before the election, but he still got hammered by Biden. As Stormy's quote tells us, trump also lied during the (R) candidate debate when---after a comment by Marco Rubio noting trump's 'tiny hands and short fingers', and what that might imply, trump said, "And he said if my hands are small, something else must be small, and I guarantee there's no problem there". Stormy says otherwise.

From the court transcript at his arraignment in front of Magistrate Judge Upadhyaya, the judge warned trump: "It is a crime to try to influence a juror or to threaten or attempt to bribe a witness or any other person who may have information about your case, or to retaliate against anyone for providing information about your case to the prosecution, or to otherwise obstruct the administration of justice." The judge added a warning that if trump violated the conditions of release, “You may be held pending trial in this case.” Magistrate: “Do you understand these warnings and consequences, sir?” trump: “yes.” So Friday trump posts this on his ironically named "Truth Social", all in caps: "IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I'M COMING AFTER YOU!" That is an obvious threat, and most probably a dog whistle to his cult of goobers. The admonition made by the Magistrate Judge "You may be held" could come into play. trump is asking to be jailed pending the trial. (An aside: it's little wonder trump has trouble finding talented lawyers to defend him, both because of his reputation for not paying his bills and also because he is incapable of not shooting himself in the foot. In fact, he shoots himself in the foot, while the foot is in his mouth, and his head is up his fatuga.)

On this topic, here's a prediction: trump will be found guilty on multiple counts both for 6 January and for the stolen documents. He will go to jail for the rest of his miserable life. Candidates who sucked up to him will be viewed as immoral, as they would be supporting a convicted sex offender, a convicted charity fraudster, a convicted felon who tried to overthrow US democracy, and a convicted felon who stole nuclear, military and intelligence secrets. That means desantis, scott, haley, and ramaswamy are gone. Pence just will never resonate, so he's done. The dark horse emerging from this will be.... ....Chris Christie. He's tough enough to overcome both Bridgegate and Fattygate. He's an (R), but a genuine moderate. He would be able to work with the other side of the aisle, even in the House. Biden has worked well with the other side of the aisle in the Senate, but the House is full of lunatics on the (R) side, many of whom will go down in flames with trump, and may well face their own indictments for participating in the attempted coup. Christie, if he won, would be able to work with what is likely to be a Dem majority Senate and House in 2024.

Yes, I did. Perhaps I can send you my copy. If you'd like, I can ask then-SSCI Chair Marco Rubio to autograph it for you. I can recite rhyme and verse from just about every official report on the russia investigation, as well as durham's 'investigation of the investigators'. I have intimate knowledge of it from day 1. Someday ALL of it might be made public. Of course by then trump will be in jail for his election antics and stolen documents, and just a black mark against the office of the President, kind of like the McCarthy Era in the 1950s was to Congress.

You have 68 posts here, which makes you the leader. Seems it has struck a nerve with you.

I know full well what I am implying, as do you. You did not read the report. I would guesstimate 99.999% of trumpers did not read the SSCI report issued by the majority (R) Senate. No pictures, no cartoons.

You really know nothing about the russia investigation. I am sure you did not read the (R) issued SSCI report on it, which made damning claims about the trump campaign. Of course the report is 1000 pages, so I wouldn't expect a trumper to go through it. Why did manafort hand GRU asset konstantin kilimnik detailed internal polling data from the trump campaign, which kilimnik then forwarded to the IRA in St Pete (A GRU disinformation entity), who then made up false stories about Hillary and forwarded them to voters in key swing States (using the polling data handed by trump Campaign Chair manafort). The manafort-kilimnik meeting took place in Spain in 2016. That is only one thing, and I write it because it is public knowledge. Because Barr front ran Mueller, plus prohibited Mueller from pursuing most leads (like the SIVs at Deutsche Bank), trumpers think trump did nothing wrong. That is far from the truth, but it is unlikely to be litigated because trump just keeps committing enough new crimes to keep law enforcement busy.

Read it in its entirety. I doubt the trumpers read it. SC Smith took trump's defense away right from the start, by saying trump has a First Amendment right to lie. Smith, however, noted that trump not only did not believe the lie (according to testimony from trump's staff), he was intimately involved in trying to derail the certification, which is illegal. Also, trump cannot claim his lawyers told him it was legal to appoint fake electors, both because it's illegal and also because ignorance of the law is no excuse (as has been noted already, nobody could say, "But my lawyer told me it was okay to rob a bank". Witness testimony that will be presented shows: -trump knew he lost -he knew the scheme to appoint fake electors, etc., was illegal -he was involved in the illegal plot About the only thing left---besides filing endless delay petitions---for trump is to claim insanity. Just as SC Smith added superceding charges in the stolen documents arrest, he may well add new charges to the current indictment. Even former AG Barr said on MSNBC that he thinks Smith will add additional charges. Certainly what trump did falls under "Sedition" (10 U.S. Code § 894 - Art. 94. Mutiny or sedition), which is a capital offense. No rational person, having listened to trump's speeches, read his Tweets, and seen the indictment, thinks trump's goal was anything less than overthrowing the democracy and keeping himself in power. Absent jury intimidation or a trump lackey on the jury, conviction is virtually certain. This time trump has no (R) Senate to exonerate him, or an AG who blocks key parts of the investigative process.

The real deficit includes off the book measures, such as dipping into the Social Security Fund or Military pensions. Admittedly that began under Clinton, but many organizations account for it and issue the numbers of real new debt. That is why the trump number is $7,800,000,000,000. When he came into office total National Debt accumulated over 240 years was $19.3 trillion. When he was soundly beaten and booted out, it stood at $27.1 trillion.