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Not all Imm Offices require you to come back after 90 days to show that the funds for your 1-year retirement extension have not slipped under 800K. Those that do require this, normally provide you with a slip stapled in your passport with the date for that Bank-funds check, for which showing an updated Bank Pass-book is sufficient. Note: Some offices do 'reset' your 90-day reporting schedule from date of 1-year extension, and in such case that Bank Pass-book check is same as the due date for the 90-day report, so you can do both at same time.

Speaker option is a nice tid-for-tad solution when she is shouting again. OP wrote that he has a great view on the nearby hills from his front porch. Blocking his view for the crazy woman on the other side by a screen fence would be the 'world upside-down'. If she does not like him sitting on his front porch, she should build a fence so she doesn't see him.

If you are applying for the 1-year extension based on your Non Imm O Visa for reason of MARRIAGE, you could be required to provide a statement of Bank-transfers that your bank-balance did not slip under 400K during the 2 months preceding your application. Some Imm Offices require such a Bank-transfers statement on top of your updated Pass-book (which would show exactly same info, except when your bank has consolidated some transfers when not updating your Pass-book regularly). That would explain what the IO told. However, you mentioned in your post 'retirement extension' and using the +800K funds in bank method. In that case you probably misunderstood the IO, as for such 1-year (retirement) extension application you could be required to provide a statement of Bank-transfers that your bank-balance did not slip under 800K/400K during the 12 months preceding your application. Note: Be aware that when your Bank-account is with Bangkok Bank, that most branches of BKB are not able to provide such a 12-month bank-transfer statement on the spot, and would have to order it at BKB Headquarters, and it can take up to 5 business days before you can pick it up at your local BKB branche.

The original reason for the creation of the 180-days METV was to cater for tourists that wanted to explore South-East Asia and use Thailand as their 'base'. Hence every METV entry during it's validity was limited to 60 days, after which you had to apply for a one-time 30 day extension or exit the country. So it is indeed absolutely ridiculous that the Thai Embassy/Consulate where you apply for that METV requires a fully overview of all hotels you would be staying during the first 60 days given that the main reason for that Visa was to explore Thailand and surrounding countries. As @pomchop did, to meet that ridiculous additional requirement demanded by a no-brainer Thai Embassy/Consulate, you could book an on-line 60-day reservation at a Hotel which has a free cancellation policy, and once your METV is approved cancel that reservation.

That's fully correct. To change the REASON for the 1`-year extension of stay application (e.g. from marriage to child-support, or any other change for that matter) only 2 requirements need to be met: #1 - You need to show evidence that you met the requirements under which the previous Permission to stay was provided to you (e.g. in this case that you had +400K on your personal Thai bank-account during the 2 months preceding your current 1-year extension of stay application). #2 - You need to show evidence that you meet the requirements for your current 1-year extension of stay application (e.g. in this case the requirements for the application for reason of Thai dependent child). NOTE: You cannot change the reason for the 1-year extension of stay, if you were not already on a 1-year extension of stay. So applying for a different reason for the first time from your 90-day Non Imm O Visa has to be done for the SAME reason as for the original Visa application.

@BritTim > Would it in case of denial of the 60 day extension for reason of visting your wife to prolonge the Permission of Stay from the 1-year ME Non Imm O (marriage) Visa, not be possible to apply for such extension at a different Imm Office?

@Scouse123 > To do this, you have 2 options: 1 - Go in person to your local Imm Office and provide them with the required documents to notify that a foreigner is staying at your premises. In your case those documentts would consist of copies of the rental agreement, the Blue book of the rented house, and the data of the person staying at your premisses (i.e. Passport details, e.g. copy of the passport ID-page and Visa/entry stamp). 2 - Easier would be if you register your property on the IO-TM30 website. Once registered - which can take 10 minutes to 5 working days - you will receive a username;password that will enable you to notify Immigration on-line that a foreigner is staying at your premises. Having done so and confirmed by Immigration, you can make a screen-shot print-out of that confirmation. Note: It would be useful to give a copy of that to your rentee, to take with her if ever she needs a service of the Immigration Office (which they will only provide when they have a TM-30 on file of your registered address). >> I did sent you PM a comprehensive guideline document on how to register the address on the IO-TM30 website.

Yes, in his case - being short of funds - applying for the 1-year Multiple Entry Non Imm O (marriage) Visa at the Thai consulate in Savannakhet (just over the Friendship bridge from Mukdahan) is his best option. At the end of each 90-day Permission to stay that ME Non Imm O (marriage) Visa will provide him, he also has the option to do a border-bounce or apply for a 60-day extension of stay of that Visa at his local Imm Office (cost 1.900,- THB). Applying for 60-day extensions after each entry, will reduce the number of border-bounces to three during the max of 17 months he can squeeze out of that Visa.

Your comment does not give credit to the response of @BritTim who correctly pointed out the three avenues you can take when you have a complaint/dispute re an Immigration/Visa matter. These 3 avenues are: 1 - For some specific Immigration issues (e.g. deportation) there is an appeal procedure; 2 - You can always politely ask to talk with the official in charge of the Imm Office. Although it is true that in many cases he/she would not overturn the decision of his subordinate (not because you are wrong but to avoid face-loss of the latter), the supervisor might offer alternative solutions to deal with the issue. Also there have been several reported cases where such a talk with the supervisor DID result in him agreeing with your stance and overturning his subordinates interpretation, that being the case when the subordinate is blatantly wrong. Still in such cases it is recommended that you apologize to both the officer handling your case as well as the supervisor for 'having created some confusion with your application', as that would ease the pain of face-loss. 3 - There is also the Immigration ombudsman, calling the 1111 helpline. In such cases it is best to do that while you are still in the Imm Office, and after a brief and polite explanation of the issue to the Ombudsman then give your mobile phone to the Officer with which you have the dispute so that they can discuss it. Also here there have been reports of cases where the Imm Officer did change his initial decision after such talk. But once again avoid to then act in a triumphant way with a Big Smile, but rather apologize to the Imm Officer for not having clearly explained your case to him. Note: After posting my comments, I saw that @Preacher addressed the same.

Quote For the segment of the media that traffics in sound bites, it’s easy to declare that polar bears are on the verge of extinction … or that this is just another example of the climate-change myth. The truth, as usual, lies somewhere in between. https://canadiangeographic.ca/articles/the-truth-about-polar-bears/ This discussion is not about polar bears, but about rise in ocean heat and its causes. My point is that the MSM tend to grossly overestimate the impact of human activity to further the agenda of the groups that sponsor them.

It is laughable to believe that human activity is the main cause of the natural process of climate change. That's 'what I want to say'. That we should do efforts to stop polluting our beautiful planet is not in question. But the doomsday-scenarios launched by 'green-washing' groups to further their agenda, have been proven wrong every time. Unfortunately most people have short memory and don't recall the propaganda of yesteryear (e.g. remember the story of polar bears on the edge of extinction, while their population is now bigger than ever).

So NASA is lying? https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere Read the article, the magnitude of that unprecedented ocean-bottom vulcanic eruption is such that it must have a large - if not the main - impact on the rise of the ocean temperature.

It is more than likely that the rise of the ocean temperature is due to the volcanic eruption, that occurred last year but which is rarely mentioned. This happened on 15 January 2022 in Tonga but we didn’t hear much about it because it was underwater. However, this was a major event which NASA warned could temporarily (years) warm the Earth’s surface. The impact of that single event on ocean water temperature is orders of magnitude bigger than all methane emissions from human activity over the last centuries. https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere

The normal procedure - at least when you do it in person (don't know how it works when you do it by mail) - is that on delivery of your new passport that they invalidate your old passport by clipping a corner of the passport. That way the invalidated passport cannot be used any more for entering another country BUT the stamps inside that old old passport can still be used when required. In my case I applied last month for a new passport in my home-country, and I kept my old passport of which they clipped a corner on delivery of the new passport. My old - now invalidated - passport contains the Re-Entry Permit on which I left Thailand, and I showed that both my new passport as well as my old passport with Re-Entry Permit to Thai border immigration on re-entering Thailand and was stamped in for the Re-Entry Permit protected Permission to stay in my new Passport. When I visit my Thai Imm Office next time they will require me to show that old passport to do the essential stamp-transfers to my new passport. Even after that is done I will not discard that old passport, in case Immigration at a later moment would require evidence of my Visa history status (like they are now requesting from you). Hope you can still recover some how your old passport.

When you have a Kasikorn or BangkokBank account - both being partner-banks of WISE - and in the drop-down box when transferring the funds you opt for 'Funds for long-term stay' the funds will have a bank-code in your Thai bank pass-book indicating that it are international transfers. It is recommended that you also make use of the option to print-out a WISE-transaction document showing that the funds originated from your account abroad, as most Imm Offices do accept that WISE transaction-document as proof of foreign origin of the funds.. Note: If you have another Thai bank than Kasikorn or BangkokBank, it will be a lot messier to prove the foreign origins of the funds to your personal Thai bank-account. This for two reasons: #1 - To other Thai banks you can only transfer max 50.000,- THB per transaction - so you would have to do 16 transactions in order to reach the 800.000,- THB. #2 - Transfers to other banks, are routed via one of the WISE partner-banks and will thus show up as 'domestic' transfers on your non-KK or BKB Thai bank-account. And if you need to show their foreign origins, you would have to go to the WISE partner-bank through which they were routed and request that they provide you with a document that that WISE partner-bank transfered the funds from your foreign bank-account (received via WISE) to your Thai bank-account. = = = It is correct that if the funds have already been long-time seasoned on your personal Thai bank-account, that there is no need to prove their foreign origins anymore. But 'long-time' will of course depends on the interpretation of the local Imm Office where you would apply, so better check with them of what they deem acceptable. And in your case, the funds that you received as legal salary from your teaching-assignment, should normally be accepted as not needing proof of 'foreign origins'.

On re-reading your post, there might not be any problem at all for you to apply for the 1-year extension based on your Non Imm O (retirement) Visa. It boils down to the exact period when you slipped under the +800K tresshold. If that was MORE than 2 months before your 1-year extension Permission to stay will expire, then it is just a matter of applying for your next 1-year extension on a date close to that expiry date, such that in the 2 month period before that application date that your funds balance would be once again over 800K.

You actually have 2 options, but as usual it will depend on whether the local regulations of your Imm Office allow it, so you would need to enquire about it with them. Option #1 - Apply for a 60-day extension of stay for reason of visiting your Thai dependant child. When approved that would ADD 60-days to the due date of your current Permission to stay, and if you make sure that during the last 2 months before you apply for the 1-year extension that your balance is above +800K, you would then be in compliance for your 1-year extension of stay (retirement) extension, as the period that you slipped under it would be more than 2 months earlier before application date (and during that period keeping +400K is allowed). Problem solved... Option #2 - Instead of applying for a 1-year (retirement) extension you could consider this time applying for a 1-year extension of stay for reason of supporting your Thai dependant child. Imm Offices that allow applying for that reason, also often allow that instead of having +800K during the last 2 months before your application date, that you already went under it in view of the Thai dependant child application. Note that when you take that route, that you would need to provide evidence that you were in compliance with having the required funds of your retirement extension on your personal Thai bank-account for the 12 months preceding the date of application (with the exception of the last 2 months when you temporarily slipped under it, but that could be superseded by the Thai dependant child application). Be sure to discuss it beforehand with your Imm Office whether they allow both you making that change to the reason of application for your 1-year extension, as well as having slipped under the +800K during the last 2 months. If they are not willing to do so, you can of course revert to option #1 (which is a certaintity). Contrary to a 1-year (retirement) extension which is delivered on the spot, a marriage/Thai dependant child 1-year extension, has an 'under consideration' period and so you will have to come back to get the stamp once it has been approved by Divisional Headquarters (which is a purely bureaucratic process). A bonus of going for option #2 when your Imm Office allows it, is that instead of having to keep the +800K/400K semi-permanently on your Thai bank-account, that for a Thai dependant child extension the funds (+400K) ONLY need to be on your account at the moment of application, and once the application has been approved your are free to use the funds as you please. Bingo!

It's worth asking your local Imm Office if they would be willing to make an exception on their standard application window (which is normally 30 or 45 days before due date) for a 1-year extension application, and allow you to do it earlier due to your planned leave abroad. But that would probably only be possible for a 1-year extension for reason of retirement (as such extension does not have an 'under consideration' period, like a marriage one). Note 1: It is not possible to do the application while abroad. Note 2: When you are married to a Thai national or have Thai dependant children and you did not use it earlier on your current string of Permissions to stay, you could apply at your local Imm Office for a 60-day extension of stay for reason of family visit. When approved those 60 days will be added to your current Permission to stay due date, which would bring that due date to June,.

Short response to some of the points you raised: > You cannot apply for a new Visa at Immigration in Thailand, when already on a Non Imm B. That change of Visa process is only possible when having entered VisaExempt or on a Tourist Visa, and applying when you have at least 15 days left on your Permission to stay. > There is no need for any health-insurance when applying for a Non Imm O Visa (that requirement was introduced during the covid-restrications but is not applicable anymore, although the Thai eVisa website incorrectly still cites it as one of the requirements). You are refering to WISE (Transferwise was the previous name of the company providing the financial transfer services). When applying for a 90-day Non Imm O (retirement) Visa at Immigration, the +800.000,- THB need to be on your personal Thai bank-account with foreign origins proven at the moment of application. When applying for the first extension of such Visa (retirement) the +800.000,- THB need to have been seasoned for at least 2 months, without ever having dropped under that tresshold. That is not an in-country Immigration requirement. It are the fees that need to be paid when applying for a SingleEntry or MultipleEntry Non Imm O Visa at the Thai Consulate in Savannakhet, Laos. As the requirements are much simpler/easier when applying for a Non Imm O Visa there, and the Visa is delivered next day (without any under consideration period) this is a very popular and much used route. The 1-year MultipleEntry Non Imm O Visa cannot be acquired when applying in Thailand at an Imm Office, and can only be applied for at some foreign Thai Embassies by using the Thai eVisa website (when in your home-country) OR at some Thai Embassies/Consulates in neighboring countries (the Savannakhet Consulate being by far the simplest to get hold of it). The rules/regulations that need to be complied with are often complex and inconsistent (different rules/interpretation depending at which Imm office you apply). But when you are up-to-speed with the actual requirements for the particular Visa or extension you want to apply for at your local Imm Office, you can easily do it yourself. In touristic Thai provinces you can also use a 'handholding service' from a Visa agent, that can check whether the required documentation your application is correct and complete. Of course you can also use this Forum to get information on the requirements that need to be complied with for the particular Visa/Extension you want to apply for. But in that case ALWAYS mention your personal details (age/nationality/Visa status) as well as the specific Visa/extension you want to play for and the Imm office where you plan to do this.

Several of the points you raise are incorrect or not applicable for an in-country Visa application. It would be helpful when you share more info about your current status by answering the questions rendered below. Note that all of these questions are relevant to provide you with a correct response on your queries. What's your age and nationality? Are you married to a Thai national or have Thai dependant children? In which province are your residing, and where do you plan to apply for the Visa/extension? When and on which Visa did you enter Thailand? What is the expiry date of the Permission to stay of your current Non Imm O Visa/extension?

Good advice to OP not to apply for the 1-year Non Imm O-A Visa with its mandatory Health-Insurance policy. When you apply for the 90-day Non Imm O (marriage) Visa, be aware that the first time you apply for the 1-year extension that you can ONLY do this for the same reason (in your case: marriage). You can only change the reason for your 1-year extension to retirement, when you are already on a 1-year marriage extension. Also be aware that when after that 1st year of marriage extension and you want to switch to a retirement extension, that in such case you need to meet BOTH the financial conditions for the 1-year marriage extension as well as the financial conditions for the 1-year retirement extension (i.e. having kept +800K/+400K on your personal Thai bank-account during the 12 months preceding your application).

@OP > You might find this post useful, as it addresses options to apply for a 30-day and/or 60-day extension when you have insufficient time to meet the requirements for your 90-day Non Imm O (marriage) Visa application (which needs to be done when you have still at least 15 days left on your Permission to stay). The post also addresses the required Khor-Ror-2 which is not only needed for a 60-day extension of stay, but also when applying for the 90-day Non Imm O (marriage) Visa as well as for any 1-year extensions of it. https://aseannow.com/topic/1302500-30-or-60-days-extension-before-marriage-extension/?do=findComment&comment=18250265

Excellent summary of best route to follow for OP's situation! ????

As mentioned by @steve187 in order to apply for a 1-year extension, you first need to apply for a 90-day Non Imm O (marriage) Visa. Many threads on the Forum outlining the process for doing so. As you entered Thailand VisaExempt, you were stamped in by Thai border-immigration with a 30-day Permission to stay. The application for that 90-day Non Imm O Visa needs to be done when you have at least 15 days left on that Permission to stay (some Imm offices require 21, 23 or 15 business days). When you do not have sufficient time to get hold of the required documentation for such application, you can apply at your local Imm Office for a 30-day extension of stay (1900, - THB) delivered on the spot and ADDED to your current Permission to stay expiry date (so no need to wait till last days to apply for it). If still not sufficient time you could on top of that apply for a 60-day extension of stay for reason of visiting your Thai wife. You need to be accompanied by your Thai wife to do that 60-day extension application, and bring both a copy and the original of your Marriage certificate as well as a Khor-Ror-2 (marriage certificate statement) which you can get at any Amphur (city hall) in Thailand for 100 THB. Such Khor-Ror-2 is an extract from the Thai national marriage register and it is required as proof that you are STILL married to your Thai wife. Depending on the Imm Office where you apply that document has to be issued on date of application (so first heading to the Amphur and then heading straight to the Imm Office), while some Offices allow it to be issued later (max 1 month). Just like the 30-days extension the 60-days-extension costs 1900,- THB, is provided on the spot and the 60 days are ADDED to your Permission to stay.

Unfortunately, such 60-day extension of stay application requires a Khor-Ror-2 (marriage certification statement) that his marriage is still registered in the Thai national marriage register. And that's the same requirement that is holding him back to apply for the 1-year extension of his 90-day Non Imm O (marriage) Visa. In his case the easiest way to get more time is to exit Thailand and apply for the 1-year MultipleEntry Non Imm O (marriage) Visa at the Thai consulate in Savannakhet (just over the Friendship bridge from Mukdahan). That ME Non Imm O (marriage) Visa ONLY requires the official Marriage certificate - if it is in english language - and the Visa will be delivered next day (cost 5.000,- THB). This thread spells out the requirements: https://aseannow.com/topic/1302289-savannakhet-non-imm-o-visa-application-requirements-some-questions/ making it clear that he would not have any probem applying there with his US Marriage certificate. Note that once he got his US marriage certificate registered in the Thai national marriage register, that he would be able to apply at his local Imm Office for the 1-year extension based on that Savannakhet acquired ME Non Imm O (marriage) Visa.