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Could be a very interesting night in Libya tonight. Glad I aint sitting there on stag.

Israel doesn't want peace. They are perfectly happy with the way things are. They have far too much to lose by making peace.

At the end of the day this statement hits the nail on the head. Israel has a hell of alot more to lose by cutting a peace deal than the Palestinians, who would be awarded quite significant gains in land and freedom to trade and travel as they please. I dream of the day when it becomes a reality.

Al Jazeera is reporting a Libyan jet fighter just got shot down over the city of Bengazi. Not sure if it was bought down by rebel AA fire or UN sactioned NATO aircraft.

Rebel Jet Shot Down By Libyan Troops

Reports say a rebel-operated jet fighter crashed in Benghazi, as Libyan forces continue to mount attacks despite a ceasefire being announced yesterday.

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http://news.sky.com/...bama%2C_Cameron

Thanks for the link Ed. very interesting indeed.

My understanding is that these "new" homes are actually apartments in existing Israeli places of abode on the West Bank specifically, Gush Etzion, Ma'ale Adumim, Ariel, and Kiryat Sefer. Although some are against these dwellings, there is a big difference between new location construction of single family dwellings and high density apartment blocks in an existing center of population. The intent is to send a message to the PLA that one can kill Israelis, but they will not go away. It is a political statement of resolve.

And what is your position the Palestinian families being evicted from their houses on thier own land whilst these new Israeli dwellings are being erected. Is that fair?

My understanding is that there are no evictions in respect to these apartments as they are being constructed in locations where the Israelis are present. Are you saying that Arabs are being evicted? Can you please tell me who and where in respect to these apartments.

Thank you.

Sorry. My point is more of the line that Palestinians are being eveicted from their own home on the own land then that very home is then given to an Israeli family.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536183,00.html

Do you think this is a fair situation? Enjoy the read please. It saddens me.

Sacrafice is the only way.

Sure, from both sides. Don't act like the majority view on the Palestinian street isn't complete "liberation" of Israel, in other words kick all the Jews out.

Like I stated before.I don't hold that view and despite what you think I really believe the ordinary Joe Citizen on the streets of Gaza or the West Bank don't hold that view also. They just want somewhere to call home, go to work, bring up their children and sent them to school. Unfortunaley however there are large fundementist groups who do want to see the end of Israel. But no matter how large they are IMO they are in the monority.

Hopefully revolution bug will catch on with the people of Palestine and they will rise up against these groups in the near future and establish a more moderate form of Government that will preside over both West Bank and Gaza.

Again, I happen to think BOTH sides are majorly FUBAR, but I fully support the right of BOTH sides to exist peacefully with their own sovereign states. How is that going to ever happen? I don't know and you don't know either.

Sacrafice is the only way.

How much foreign/military aid does Russia give Israel? Israel is focused on their own survival and they do indeed face real serious threats; they understandably have trouble seeing the bigger global picture. It's funny, I am representing a very left wing but still pro existence of Jewish Israel point of view, but somehow that isn't anti-Israel enough for some. That says a lot, that indeed many of the critics of Israel don't want Israel to exist as a Jewish state in ANY form.

For the record I am not one of those people. I long for the day when Israel and Palestine live side by side as nieghbours, trade partners and friends that can assist each other when one is feeling pain and suffering. Just think of it is something special and beautiful.I hope this will happen in my life time.

I don't agree with you, because I don't think anyone here seriously believes that talks between Netanyahu and whatever Palestinian coalition they might but probably won't cobble together, will ever come to anything.

Also, pressure from Russia means very little to Israel. Pressure from the USA means very much.

You are probably right, talks that involve Netanyahu will come to nothing.

Former Dutch PM tells Haaretz: European leaders can't trust Netanyahu ...

http://www.haaretz.c...anyahu-1.347806

Merkel chides Netanyahu for failing to make 'a single step to advance peace'

In a tense telephone call, PM tells German chancellor that he was disappointed by Germany's vote at UN, but assures her he intends to launch new peace plan soon; Merkel reportedly did not believe Netanyahu, saying he disappointed her.

http://www.haaretz.c...-peace-1.345539

Israel wary as Britain boosts Palestinian diplomatic status

Prior to British-Palestinian National Authority (PNA) talks set for Tuesday, British Foreign Secretary William Hague announced on Monday that his country was upgrading the diplomatic status of PNA representatives.

http://english.peopl...54/7313022.html

Europe's stand on Middle East peace

Benjamin Netanyahu's government gives every impression of believing this is as it should be. Only the other day it announced more illegal settlement-building in the West Bank. Mr Netanyahu has never shown serious intent about a peace accord; now he says that the upheavals in the region give further cause to hold back. The advance of democracy, the argument runs, has robbed Israel of "reliable" partners in the Arab world.

Israel's friends are taking a different view. Last month, Britain, France and Germany broke with Washington by backing a Security Council resolution condemning settlements in Jerusalem and the West Bank. The resolution drew the support of 14 of the 15 members – and a veto from a justly embarrassed Mr Obama.

http://www.ft.com/cm...l#axzz1H21IUmdu

Why does pressure from Russia means very little? Why does pressure from the USA means so much?

Because the ignorant Netanyahu is already isolated and Obama is the only friend he have left. So it goes if you think the opinion of other states just means very little to you or doesn't matter. You are at the mercy of a litte veto, but Obama cannot shrug the others so easily off like you do.

That sums it up very acurately. Let's just hope that Mr Netanyahu shows some intestinal fortitude and goes against popular opinion in his home land and comes to the party and gets serious about true peace in the Middle East. And gives his "permission" to the Paletinians to hold unity talks so as they can join as one and give birth the State of Palestine. Which I believe would be in the best interests of both party as well as the entire Middle East and world at large.

Facts of history when the Israelis pulled out of Lebanon they got Hizbullah and 40,000 rockets and when they pulled out of Gaza they got Hamas and 20,000 rockets.

Are you trying to say third time lucky?

Hostile actions??? from which side?

40,000 and 20,000? Not 40,002 and 19,998 maybe be or 39,971 and 20,004?

What did they to the locals that they send them so many rockets? Where they came from?

Actually they came from Iran and Syria possibly having been manufactured in Russia.

Two more countries that hold Israel in high regard.

I don't agree with you, because I don't think anyone here seriously believes that talks between Netanyahu and whatever Palestinian coalition they might but probably won't cobble together, will ever come to anything.

Also, pressure from Russia means very little to Israel. Pressure from the USA means very much.

It is this exact attitude that is one of the root causes of this epic drama.

"If you don't want to be part of the solution then stop being part of the problem" Bruce Willis. Die Hard 1

The last paragragh is the key. Stop stealing Arab land. Withdraw to the pre 1967 war borders and then we can see from there. If Hamas then continues hostilities then I and I am sure many more will start to agree with Israeli policy. And before you say it. We will never know if we never do just that. There has to be give and take on both sides. The thing is that Israel is the one that stands to have to give/lose the most by this so they want nothing to do with it. And nobody can deny it because they have been the ones gaining the most since the beginning of those hostilities in 1967.

But Israel retreated from Lebannon and were repaid with thousands of rockets, they retreated from Gaza unilaterally which met with the same reaction. The pre 67 borders are just a negotiating point in a gradualist stance to eliminate Israel completely, read it in the charter.

Like I said. We will never ,never know if we don't try. Then if it does continue on this path the Israelis will have a legitimate mandate to suppress thier hostile actions. And I for one will stand up for that mandate and openly support Israel. And I am sure a mojority of Palestinian supporters will do likewise.

Facts of history when the Israelis pulled out of Lebanon they got Hizbullah and 40,000 rockets and when they pulled out of Gaza they got Hamas and 20,000 rockets.

Are you trying to say third time lucky?

Hostile actions??? from which side?

Obsessive compulsive.

Al Jazeera is reporting a Libyan jet fighter just got shot down over the city of Bengazi. Not sure if it was bought down by rebel AA fire or UN sactioned NATO aircraft.

Once again. What the hell has it got to do with you Hillary? You're a good sort and that is as far as it goes.

Well you have made your point. It is quite clear what side your bread is buttered on. I hope my children never come into contact with the likes of such. What a horrible world we live in.

Like I said. We will never ,never know if we don't try. Then if it does continue on this path the Israelis will have a legitimate mandate to suppress thier hostile actions. And I for one will stand up for that mandate and openly support Israel. And I am sure a mojority of Palestinian supporters will do likewise.

It needs two to tango. Recognition of Israel's right to exist is a pre-requisite to any negotiations with a body including Hamas.

Just like it is a pre-requisite for the Palestinians that the Israelis stop encrouching and building new settlements.

In the picture the girls all look very happy, most girls who suffer at the hands of Paediphiles even when smiling look sad. Mind you in the same photo they neither look undernourished or ill clothed. Could he have genuinely been helping these girls to compensate for his past sins? Have any of these girls complained about his behaviour?

Don't even go there man.

It's nice to know that you would deny me the right to ask questions. I assume that you are the sort of person who believes everything you read in print. Stick around a bit and you will learn that these sort of accusations are as common as jetski scams. I am seeking more information, you are simply intent on condemnation.

When it comes to kiddy fiddlers then yes. You are correct. I am intent on condemnation. And a few other things that I would not be allowed to print here.

In the picture the girls all look very happy, most girls who suffer at the hands of Paediphiles even when smiling look sad. Mind you in the same photo they neither look undernourished or ill clothed. Could he have genuinely been helping these girls to compensate for his past sins? Have any of these girls complained about his behaviour?

Don't even go there man.

Enjoy your stay in the Cambodian Correction system you dirty old man.

Yeah!Hopefully somebody there calls HIM his "favourite little girl"!!!

Yeah. I can just see the look on his face now. Ooo! Hurty's

The last paragragh is the key. Stop stealing Arab land. Withdraw to the pre 1967 war borders and then we can see from there. If Hamas then continues hostilities then I and I am sure many more will start to agree with Israeli policy. And before you say it. We will never know if we never do just that. There has to be give and take on both sides. The thing is that Israel is the one that stands to have to give/lose the most by this so they want nothing to do with it. And nobody can deny it because they have been the ones gaining the most since the beginning of those hostilities in 1967.

But Israel retreated from Lebannon and were repaid with thousands of rockets, they retreated from Gaza unilaterally which met with the same reaction. The pre 67 borders are just a negotiating point in a gradualist stance to eliminate Israel completely, read it in the charter.

Like I said. We will never ,never know if we don't try. Then if it does continue on this path the Israelis will have a legitimate mandate to suppress thier hostile actions. And I for one will stand up for that mandate and openly support Israel. And I am sure a mojority of Palestinian supporters will do likewise.

our constitution does not allow military engagement outside german borders if the nation is not under any threat.

Nice Common Sense Constitution

A certain other country would do well to adopt this same policy.

Enjoy your stay in the Cambodian Correction system you dirty old man.

Smart move. Look what happens when countries follow the US into rediclous conflicts. You end up getting bogged down and defeat in long drawn out wars. Vietnam 1962-1975, Afghanistan 2001-present, Iraq 2003-2010.

Just in case it has skipped anyone's memory here is Hamas's charter. On reading it do you think there is any prospect whatsoever of Israel negotiating with a Palestinian leadership adopting this stance (Hint, even the Arabite liberal lefty nations of Europe consider Hamas a terrorist organization).

http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

The last paragragh is the key. Stop stealing Arab land. Withdraw to the pre 1967 war borders and then we can see from there. If Hamas then continues hostilities then I and I am sure many more will start to agree with Israeli policy. And before you say it. We will never know if we never do just that. There has to be give and take on both sides. The thing is that Israel is the one that stands to have to give/lose the most by this so they want nothing to do with it. And nobody can deny it because they have been the ones gaining the most since the beginning of those hostilities in 1967.

My understanding is that these "new" homes are actually apartments in existing Israeli places of abode on the West Bank specifically, Gush Etzion, Ma'ale Adumim, Ariel, and Kiryat Sefer. Although some are against these dwellings, there is a big difference between new location construction of single family dwellings and high density apartment blocks in an existing center of population. The intent is to send a message to the PLA that one can kill Israelis, but they will not go away. It is a political statement of resolve.

And what is your position the Palestinian families being evicted from their houses on thier own land whilst these new Israeli dwellings are being erected. Is that fair?

More illegal Israeli buildings than Palestinian ones were demolished last year, was that fair?

I don't know. Israel is running the show. Not Palestine. Take it up with the Israeli government dude.

Who is the Israeli PM to say that " Palestinian reconciliation was not approved by his government ". That is a disgraceful thing to say and only goes futher to show the oppression of the Palestinian people by the hand of Israeli policy towards them. Laughable.

Yes let's not oppress any Palestinian leadership into not adopting racist nazi ideology.

" Palestinian reconciliation was not approved by his government ". Read this sentence and if you don't think that is a pathetic thing to say then i feel sorry for you.