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I thought some might find this interesting. A RAAF F111 crashed into an island on a low altitude mission off the east coast of Malaysia in 1999.

http://airpower.airforce.gov.au/HistoryRecord/HistoryRecordDetail.aspx?rid=352

http://www.defence.gov.au/media/1999/raaf01299.html

The misinformation, and conflicting reports, are going to make Malaysian Airlines

and example of how NOT to handle an air disaster... I still think this airplane has

been hijacked ,electronics disabled, and was flown under the radar to an unknown

destination. The United States has spy satellites that can read the serial number of

a dollar bill you are holding. If there was wreckage floating around, they would have

found it.

People carrying out such a hijacking would need to be very well informed and intelligent people. I am sure that if they thought up this very elaborate plot to steal and aircraft and passengers, then I am sure they thought up a good idea on how to hide it from site.

BBC just reported that the military radar tracked a possible target across the straits of Malacca -- heading west or south-west. This, combined with the reports of fishermen sightings of a low-flying jet heading that way, make me lean towards a sophisticated hi-jacking.

Doesn't it what. Carried out with 'military' precision. Any group carrying out such an operation would need to have access to classified flight path info, radar blind spots etc etc. Highly sophisticated as you say.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/11/19/08/woman-remembers-cockpit-fun-with-missing-pilot

This is very bad if its all true.

So much egg over Malaysian Ailines face. The old story with Asian airline carriers. Captains rule! No whistle blowing allowed.

I don't believe any of that story for a single minute. Sounds completely fabricated - meeting them before boarding (wouldn't happen, MH does a turn-around in Phuket which would mean the pilots would not be in the departure area with the pax pre-boarding.

Smoking in the cockpit - highly unlikely

2 women in the cockpit? Highly unlikely

MH operates a 737 on this route. No chance this could have happened as the story states.

Some of the story has no weight to it as you say. But I find it plausible that the girl had some close encounter with him in the cockpit.

China 'deploys satellites' in search for Malaysia plane

BEIJING - Beijing is deploying as many as 10 satellites in hopes of tracking down Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, state media reported Tuesday, as the search for the vanished aircraft entered its fourth day.

The high-resolution satellites, which are controlled from the Xian Satellite Control Centre in northern China, will be used for navigation, weather monitoring, communications and other aspects of the search-and-rescue effort, the Peoples Liberation Army (PLA) Daily said.

Nearly two-thirds of the 239 people aboard flight MH370 were from China, and if the loss of the aircraft is confirmed, it would be Chinas second-worst ever air disaster.

Crews from nine countries have joined the international search effort, including China, Malaysia, the United States, Singapore, Vietnam, New Zealand, Indonesia, Australia and Thailand.

AFP

-- The Nation 2014-03-11

This will surely help; (though quite why US satellites have not discovered something is odd) I fear they really don't know where to look, but are surely looking in the wrong places, hence the maritime patrol aircraft

in the Malacca straights.

Seems like they will be using the satellites to see if it is on land somewhere. Not much good for sub surface searching such as a air frame on the bottom of the ocean.

At the distance the a/c was from the radar, there would need to be quite significant separation of the pieces for them to show up as separate "blips". And probably by the time they separated sufficiently, they would have dropped below the radars minimum elevation at that distance.

However, the position of this occurrence is fairly well known and there's been no report of any sign of debris. Does seem more likely it dropped out of primary radar elevation, by fair mean or foul, and headed away from there.

On the contrary, there have been two reports of debris of interest that have turned out not to be associated with this aircraft. And that's just the big bits.

These are busy waters, there is probably crap floating everywhere.

OK - perhaps I should have said "no report of any sign of debris associated with this a/c"...

I still find it strange that the a/c "disappeared" almost exactly midway between the MAY and VN radar tracking stations. Co-incidence? I fear not.

I don't. I find it strange that people look for conspiracies in the absence of information.

" To have a conspiracy you must first have a version of truth".

Now confirmed that the two men traveling on false passports are not of Asian appearance. However the minister refused to comment on their possible nationality or ethnicity. The plot thickens.

They have just confirmed that are of Asian appearance!

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Not according to the Malaysian Government's press conference just issued 5 minute ago.

Some serious ' chatter ' that an Iranian based it Thailand is connected to the purchase of the two tickets used by the two suspects. We all know too well that there has been, and more than likely still are, Iranian Islamic extremists operating here.

Now confirmed that the two men traveling on false passports are not of Asian appearance. However the minister refused to comment on their possible nationality or ethnicity. The plot thickens.

BBC reporting that Malay police know who one of the individuals traveling on false documents is. But they will not release his name. Just saying that he is a non- Malaysian male of asian ethnicity.

If there is no wreckage by this time tomorrow; my guesses would be:

-It disintegrated in the air but in a different place then they are looking for it.

-Some sort of total electrical malfunction made them ditch, but they sank with the aircraft mainly intact.

-It crashed over land and the smoke was gone by daylight, it is burning season and there are some sparsely populated places in Cambodia where the locals might not say anything even if they saw something.

- The hijackers were successful in getting the plane down somehow, either by forcing the pilots or by their own pilot.

The failure of all transponders is the pickle though. Very strange indeed.

very strange indeed

on my phone with google earth i can see my car and motorbikes parked outside the house

military technology is usually decades more advanced than anything civilians get to play with

but with 8 governments ,navys and 20+ planes they havent manged to find a single piece of wreckage

theres 2 possibilites being thrown around which neither seem very likely

1: it exploded in mid air at 30,000 feet in which case the debris would be floating for miles and found already but no time for SOS call

2: it went down and the captain landed it in one piece ,in which case he could glide for 20 min and presumably make an SOS call

nothing here explains why the transponders are not sending a signal 200-300km out and in 50 odd metres of water ,thats weird

The cockpit crew were/ are compliant ????

The oil slick is not from the plane!

http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/03/10/Missing-MH370-oil-slick-not-from-plane/

The last two paragraphs of this story, that of the eyewitness account makes me feel sick to the stomach. He may have witness an act of extreme cunning, the likes of which are rarely,if ever seen. Highly unlikely but image what a group of terrorists could do with a Boeing 777 that has been in their possession for a period of time long enough so as to ready it for an attack.

Not a pleasant thought for relatives..but "Intelligence" will have to be checking EVERY passenger and crew.

Including ground personnel. The plane was in service 8 days before this incident.

Stunex teached us that it's possible to do quite incredible things with computer viruses. I assume that the plane systems are using quite specialised embedded code, but would it possible to include unauthorized code during system upgrades? Just an thought of possibilities.

Or... well, there might be several different ways to sabotage a place if one have access to it while is on ground.

if airline maintaince did it ,theres probably a 100 ways to take a plane down but a bomb would be simple to hide if you are working on the plane for 8 days

that is probably the only way to explain the transponders not sending any signals because a light crash in shallow water doesnt cut it

Well then where the hell is it ?

Post 9/11 it would be almost impossible for someone to gain access to the cockpit. And even if after some time persisting at, they eventually do get in. That surely would have been enough time for the crew to send out a distress call , dump fuel etc etc. Those two "oil slicks " may well have been formed from a fuel dump at sea if at a a lower altitude. Lots of weird $hit about this one.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/10/18/13/suspect-passengers-had-asian-features

It's common for people to check in, not board, and then always luggage is removed. That isn't an issue here.

Next ...

Correct. There's laws that relate to this. Normally when it happens the plane is late for departure as they retrieve the luggage, but I think this plane almost left as scheduled.

So you don't think they are just saying the luggage was retrieved to save their <deleted>

Given the bizarre nature of all this it might well be an issue. If people did not board it would surely have

delayed the plane. So they presumably checked in and changed their minds well before departure? Who were they and why

did they do it?

Be good to know

Second cell /back up cell not required.

I will await the results of the investigation first. Crime scene photos don't quite fit the story given by the son.

Vietnamese searchers have spotted possible aircraft debris after combing the sea

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/10/00/05/malaysia-says-plane-may-have-turned-back

Nooooo, wasn't that reported 15 pages ago and declined 3 pages later and a few more times thereafter ?

Did you bother to read other posts or were you just interested in increasing your post count ?

Well done !

Vietnamese searchers have spotted possible aircraft debris after combing the sea

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/03/10/00/05/malaysia-says-plane-may-have-turned-back

Could the plane have hit a flock of birds or bats? Its possible is it not?

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Highly unlikely at 35000 ft.

Missing Malaysia Airlines plane: 5 theories on what could have happened to MH370

1. Act of terrorism

2. Explosion on board

3. Mechanical fault

4. Sudden stall of the plane

5. Pilot fault

Source: http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/missing-mas-plane/story/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-5-theories-what-could-have-hap

The story includes explanations of each of the scenarios, what has happened in past accident as well as some quotes related to the current event. Worth of reading.

Pilot com pliancy ?

AUSTRALIA SENDS TWO RAAF RESCUE AIRCRAFT & TEAMS TO FIND MISSING PLANE ...

The Australian government ...On behalf of Australia, I offered two RAAF P-3C maritime surveillance aircraft to help with the search for the missing aircraft.

Prime Minister Najib has accepted this offer.

The first Orion will depart for the search area this evening from Darwin. A second P-3C will be dispatched as soon as possible.

The P-3C Orion is a long-range maritime surveillance aircraft ideally suited to this task.

On behalf of Australia, I again offer my deepest sympathies to the families of the passengers and crew on board the Malaysian Airlines flight.

The RAAF's no 19 squadron has P-3c's at RMAF Butterworth on a full time basis. A short flight into the Gulf Of Thailand. Why would they be deploying from Darwin ?

I watched that interview a few minutes ago. That guy was playing the perfect 'dodge ball' game.

Could someone explain why the point of last contact of the plane was at a position some 500km from origin, KL, 2 hours, or one third of the usual flying time (6 hours) on a 4,500 km flight? Did the plane take off one and a half hours late? If not, why are they not looking around Hainan island?

They are saying it turned around as if it was returning to original departure airport.

Why do the authorities in Malaysia persist in not releasing the imagery they have on the suspects ? Mohammad Attah and his loser buddies were named and shamed rather quickly. Maybe the authorities have no idea who they are.