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It works well!  I actually do a total fast, I try to do two days a week.  There is one called the Start-Stop-Start diet, the 5-2 allows you 600 or less calories on fast days, while SSS none.  For me I find fasting easier while in ketosis.

Back in the day it had a bit of a monopoly on IT gear.  Now there are so many choices that are much better.  I live in N. Bangkok, and there are 2-3 places much closer for me to shop at.  I'm sure there is nothing there that I can't get at a closer shop.  I'm sure that is true for most people in Bangkok.

13 hours ago, ClutchClark said:

I have never met anyone in my life who did not see an improved level of fitness and re-proportioning their physique by starting an exercise regimen.

 

Even if the kilos do not drop off the change to muscle is still success.

Absolutely.  I love my exercise (speed walking, swimming, biking, weights) and think everyone should put an hour in a day or so of something physical they love to do.  But the original question was whether it promotes weight loss, which I am dubious about.  In fact, I believe it promotes appetite and makes you even hungrier so you actually eat more.

5 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

I would think a brilliant scientific mind could perceive what point I was responding to, which is very much within the purview of physics. Somehow you've acquired the undisciplined mind of--a TVF poster, and misunderstood the point to be about yourself.

 

OK, re: yourself, as Taubes said, there's no conflict with biochemistry re: the insulin as you can verify yourself in your personal copies of Lehningers Principles of Biochemistry or Williams Textbook of Endocrinology. I'm shocked you didn't know that; basic, standard stuff, really.

 

Finally, to throw your most impressive qualifications a bone, you can feast with your colleague Professor Jennie Brand-Miller (AM, PhD, FAIFST, FNSA, MAICD), who holds a Personal Chair in Human Nutrition in the Boden Institute of Obesity, Nutrition, Exercise and Eating Disorders and the School of Molecular Bioscience, at the University of Sydney.

 

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/4/986.long

 

And some more of her works

 

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/search?author1=Jennie+C+Brand-Miller&sortspec=date&submit=Submit

 

and then go find counterarguments demonstrating the uselessness. Waitin'!

Oooooh!  Snap!!!!

I recommend starting at the highly informative and super supportive Reddit Keto group:

https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/

Great posts, and on the right sidebar sooo many resources.

15 hours ago, MissAndry said:

You can't beat YaBa for weight loss.

I wish this forum was like Reddit where you can downvote people.  Gets rid of a lot of the poopy heads like you.

15 hours ago, ClutchClark said:

Has there been any discussion about stimulants such as caffeine to boost metabolism?

 

Also, has anyone found massage beneficial to shed fat?

Personally I use 2-3 cups of black coffee a day to stimulate...with my current diet it seems to go really well with that, as well as helping my level of alertness.  

I'm not sure if massage helps me to lose weight, but it makes me more flexible and relaxes me, which for sure lowers cortisol levels which leads to less inflammation.

23 hours ago, robblok said:

 

Thing is even the study you mention does not go into the body setpoint... why.. because its normal for the body to defend itself after weightloss.. but there is no research how long this take and if its permanent. That study would just be too long.

 

Thing is people dont need to go below 1000 calories but it will go slower. Believe me I hated slow just like you. But even now I count and calculate my food.. i am still off and even I can under-report. I thought I was at 1500 cals but I am over that amount. Small things add on and I have been doing this a long time. 

 

But I am still loseing weight.. real slow but its going down. (less then half a kg a week)

There is a big question on whether exercise is effective at helping people lose weight.  Studies don't really show it.  Probably the best thing to do is HIIT, as it helps increase mitochondria (http://lifestyleandstrength.com/the-mighty-mitochondria/).  But mostly it is up to dietary choices.  

And I'm not saying that exercise isn't important, I need to exercise every day, to keep strong, calm, flexible, etc.  But for losing weight, not really sure about that one.

On 9/3/2016 at 11:59 AM, dontoearth said:

    One last thought.  Dr. Fung spent a year studying physics and said that at no time was any of physics related to the human body.  I can't remember if that is in his book or his video lectures.

I think it is, the CICO theory is treating the body like a simple machine, when in fact it is a body that is so much more complex than that.

On 9/3/2016 at 7:09 AM, VincentRJ said:

 

I haven't read the book, but that statement sounds like total nonsense to me. Perhaps it is taken out of context.

 

I can understand that during the process of becoming fat by eating too much, the hormones might get mixed up and the natural signals regarding hunger and sataiety might not perform as they should. The consequences of that are that it then becomes difficult for the fat individual to assess whether or not he or she is eating too much. However, the fundamental principle that eating too much is the cause of being overweight, still stands.

 

Because the hormonal signals regarding satiety get mixed up, people can then get into the ridiculous situation of counting calories and paying money to so-called dietary experts who design expensive, special recipes which are probably not particularly healthy if they exclude all saturated fats.

 

The processed food industry which encourages people to overeat, is huge. The dietary and weight-loss industry that exists as a consequence is huge, and the medical industry which expensively attempts to fix health problems that result as a consequence of over eating, is also huge. There's a symbiotic relationship between the three industries.

I think we are saying the same thing.  I still stand by what I said, that we eat too much because we are fat.  On a high carb diet I am constantly hungry and craving more carbs, insulin release as well as other hormonal imbalances are begging for more quick and easy calories.  On keto, once you are adapted, you just don't have cravings.  You can be hungry, but once you fulfill energy needs the hunger goes away and there are no cravings.  Hunger is also easier to manage.  I can be hungry, but know that I will be having dinner in two hours and it's not a big deal, just have some water or coffee and wait.  Much more difficult to withstand when you are doing the empty carb thing.

Well, I have to say I agree with him, for once!

On 8/9/2016 at 6:10 AM, ClutchClark said:

Well all I know is the obese folks buying coffee drinks that look more like ice cream sundaes every morning at Starbucks are making lifestyle choices. 

 

Call them what they are - milkshakes!  My frustration is wanting a hot Americano or brewed coffee, that takes 20 seconds to make, and getting stuck behind those cows ordering all their milkshakes.

On 8/22/2016 at 5:55 PM, dontoearth said:

You can determine if you are getting enough sleep and general relaxation.  Have your cortisol measured the next time you need a blood test at the doctor or the lab or the hospital.  It is not an expensive test.  If you have elevated Cortisol you are not sleeping well or not sleeping enough or you are allowing some kind of stress to effect your health.  This will lead to weight gain if you don't nip it in the bud.   High Cortisol is a major factor in insulin resistance which leads to uncontrollable weight gain.

Double spiral as many overweight people have apnea, which really disrupts their sleep as well.

1 hour ago, MissAndry said:

Lazy gluttons always want to explain how they aren't lazy gluttons and it isn't really their fault they are fat. It really is as simple as that. Maybe we should start a 'Gluttons anonymous' club.

 

I am fat because I eat too much and exercise too little.

That's the whole process explained for you.

 

Dr. Fung says people aren't fat because they eat too much, but rather they eat too much because they are fat.  When people get overweight and screw up their hormonal mix they mess up the natural signals to know when they are hungry and when they are satiated, when the body should store fat and when it shouldn't.  Unfortunately the low fat mania from the 70s onward in the States increased by about 40% the amount of refined carbs that people started eating to replace the fat calories.  The result?  Well, go to disney land and see for yourself.  Keto is a great way to resetting natural hunger and satiety levels, and allowing fat cells to release their bounty.

22 hours ago, dontoearth said:

     I was able to do the 5-2 fast diet.   You have two days of the week when you get just 600 calories that day.  It is pretty famous now.  I didn't seem to get a boost in weight loss.

    I have been able to skip breakfast and delay lunch.  This is called intermittent fasting.  I have not been able to hit the 24 hour fast yet.  It is proving more difficult than I thought.  I really don't see myself as lacking discipline so I am very irritated with myself.  I hope to get a 24 hour fast in the next few days.   Any advice?

Look into a ketogenic diet (75% fat, 20% protein, 5% carbs in the form of green veggies mainly).  After a couple weeks of keto you become adapted to burning your body's fat and it is much easier to IF or go for a day or two without eating with very little craving.  If you are eating carbs and have any kind of insulin resistance, it is torture to fast.  

On 9/1/2016 at 3:43 PM, dontoearth said:

       I agree no one could start right out with a 30-day fast.  However, strangely enough I thought the same things you are stating about fasting, that it would wreak havoc on your metabolism and harm your body.  Yet.  There is no scientific evidence of that at all.  No matter how many doctors, dieticians, and nutritionist, and self-appointed experts insist this to be true there just isn't any evidence of that at all.   

       Evidently, according to the latest work from Dr. Jason Fung who authored the Obesity Code fasting may be one of the ways to get around set point.  He spends a full chapter in his book on the science he has conducted on fasting patients.  Metabolism increases for some reason.  Protein burning stops.  No your body doesn't burn your muscles for protein or your bones or your skin for energy.  It switches over to fat and does quite well burning it evidently.  The body floods with adrenaline.  There was no drop in electrolytes or nutritional deficiencies.  He got this from blood and urine test of patients he fasted in the hospital with Type II diabetes and kidney problems.  He continues to find metabolic improvements for up to 5 days in the fasting state.  However, he recommends 24 hr or 36 hour fast in his book for someone not working with a doctor.  I think it would be hard to find a doctor that would let you fast.  I see just a google search has Dr.'s out in full force crying heresy and blasphemy.    None of them doing anything other than repeating old wive's tales.  Reminds me of the doctors swearing that the USA would have 10,000's of needless deaths from people following Atkins in the 90's.

         I do read about great success with the 5-2 diet and with those that fast breakfast and sometimes lunch.  They do warn the meal you are eating after a fast needs to be planned.  That would be difficult for those working or traveling.  I have been doing breakfast fast a few weeks.  It doesn't seem to be enough to get me off my plateau.  I am thinking of a longer fast but know it will be difficult.

         I am confident it will not harm me other than some hunger pangs.

Just Finished Fung's book.  It's excellently written and does a great job of explaining the roles of different hormones in how we utilize the calories we take in, which is highly dependent on the type of calories they are, among other things.

If you cannot afford the $10 kindle book, then you can get most of the info from his great video series.  Part one is here:

Watch with an open mind, this guy shows the science, and reveals the politics of the last century on dietary policy which wreaked havoc on the American public.

3 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

maybe yaba that some would like to see legalized ?

Or alcohol, more likely...which by the way is already legal!

3 hours ago, nausea said:

Lone female passenger on a bus at night - too much temptation. Buddhism, living in the moment, has its downside, if you factor in the bad guys.

What does religion have to do with it?  Could've been a muslim, jew, buddhist, christian, or atheist.

Was he planning to dump her in the boonies and then get back on the main road but got stuck?  It's very weird.

14 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

Yeah...what do old people know?

 

I remember reading many, if not all, Asian cultures used to respect the wisdom of the elders in the community based on their many years experience.

 

What a foolish concept. Much better to ask a bunch of kids with their head burried in Pokeman what is the smart move.

 

Ofcourse, the vast majority of TVF posters what would be considered substance abuse issues in first world measures so we know their vote.

Certainly young people don't know everything but that doesn't equate to old people knowing everything!

3 minutes ago, CelticBhoy said:

Fine family. I wonder how they got away with it for so long though.

Her husband was (still is?) a powerful cop.  Soooooooo......

6 hours ago, Navalator said:

Covered in blood?  Give me  break.  The kid probably deserved it. Now watch the evangelical nut cases come out of the woodwork to scream  teacher abuse.

You are saying if your elementary child came home covered in cuts and blood you would just tell him to suck it up?  Or would you whack him a few times as well to to get into the 'fun'?  

Sister of famous model....yeesh, talk about a slow news day!

Sorry, but all feral dogs should be rounded up and put down.  Then all dog owners should need to get a dog license and tags, or have them chipped, even better.  Charge for the tags.  

I am a huge pet lover, have a couple lovely cats I dote and care over and protect.  I don't have a dog because I am too busy and know how much time you need to give them.  My idea seems cruel, but there's no way around the fact that huge packs of wild dogs are everywhere and make walking out of the village and down the road an anxiety fuelled experience.

Also, I doubt anything will ever be done about this.  Animals are not put down here so the animals will just continue living a life of suffering instead.

Looks like she's on her way down to thank him again!