josephbloggs

Ah, so Mr Hyperbole has read the conversations and knows that this public WhatsApp group was, in fact, private. So what did they say and who was in the group? And why were this couple already banned from school grounds? You seem to have insider knowledge so please share.

How much load is that column supporting? It isn't necessarily the entire building, could just be that roof. No one here knows (including me). Also how do we know this is their fix? Might it not be a temporary measure to prevent water or weather damage to the rebar while they wait for a proper inspection? Again, no one here knows yet everyone jumps to conclusions (and they are always always the Thai bashing conclusions).

So another one who can't give a link. I give up. You all claim it, no one can show me one of these videos that they've seen.

Yes, mostly superficial - tiles in corridors, ceiling panels coming off, wall cracks. Where are the videos of weakened superstructures or structural damage? Is it so difficult for someone to link to one?

Yes, apart from the second picture which looks bad. I have always said we need to see which buildings fare well and which don't - there are bound to be bad performers. We will know after all inspections, but on the face of it this one did badly - whether that is a support column for the building or not I don't know. Do you know? I'll spell it out again: Bangkok did well as a whole. One building collapsed. One. Out of the thousands of high rises one collpased and it was still under construction. I am sure there will be some that will be condemned, but I think not many. Whether the one above will be one or not I don't know. But people posting ceiling tiles, wall tiles, superficial cracks and crying foul against the whole industry are nothing more than bashers. As if "earthquake resistance" should mean no cracks or wobbly false ceilings.

Nope, just non biased sensible observations. I have said we won't know until inspections are done and we know which buildings did well or not, and when they were made, but people posting pictures of ceiling tiles or surface cracks and blaming construction here is just silly. All I see is severe Thai bashing.

Ha ha ha ha! You're a quality manager for the construction industry, of course you are! That is why you have posted nothing but nonsense in all these threads. You have never seen a building code that allows for superficial cracks after a moderate earthquake? Really? Tell me what does DPT1301/1302-61allow for after an earthquake? What level of damage does it say is reasonable? It is there to maintain structural integrity after a quake, not to protect paintwork and ceiling tiles. You are a funny man Mr Quality Manager.

Of course - Japan has lived with much bigger earthquakes forever. This is the first one of this size to ever hit Bangkok. Superficial damage is not a major price to pay really. Time will tell if any buildings have to be condemned and, if so, when and how they were built. I would say it is true in most countries that old stuff was built better and stronger than new stuff - in the UK this is certainly true. But so far all I am seeing is superficial damage and not sure why people feel the need to post it to be honest. Ceiling tiles, wall tiles, wall cracks - not a big deal considering what could have been.

I wish people would stop posting these kind of things. Ceiling panels and wall surface cracks are absolutely to be expected and are accommodated under the latest building code. If the condo is taking extra precaution until there's a full inspection then good for them - none of those look structural to me. My kids' school evacuated on Friday. Nobody has been allowed back in since - all belongings are still there - until they can have an official inspection and sign off even though there is no visible damage other than superficial. School is closed tomorrow while the inspections happen. I applaud them for their diligence. Ceiling panels, tiles falling off, or wall cracks are not serious issues. Those buildings took a huge jolting! Where do you draw the line? Is wallpaper peeling allowed? Doors needing realigning? I'm not saying there are not shabby buildings in Bangkok that will be in trouble, but none of those pics look like it to me, so what is the point of posting?

If your experience and job related qualifications are good enough it doesn't matter. I have lived and worked here for 30 years - since I was 21 - for various companies (both Thai and foreign) and don't have any degree. At my first position I was worried as a degree is listed as a requirement for a WP but it's never been an issue. I have since run companies here (again, local and international) and I have never paid much attention to educational formalities, experience and personality are far more important. Maybe that's your issue.... If people are not replying to your applications I don't think it's because of a lack of a bachelor's degree.

Ah, I see what you meant.

I am in Bangkok (a house, not a high rise) and I definitely felt it - I found it hard to balance, lights were swinging and my car was rocking on its suspension, trees swaying. So saying there should have been no damage is ridiculous. It was strong. I still maintain Bangkok fared pretty well considering how unusual this was and how strong it was.

Yeah. I was thinking more about a collapse.

Engineers who will volunteer their time. Not people who are not engineers volunteering to try engineering. Did you really need that explaining?

How would a room on a lower floor help you if something happens?

I wouldn't take too much notice of the numbers. The BMA's Traffy Fondue is open to anyone to send coordinates and pictures of their buildings and the BMA will send someone to evaluate it for free. I suspect most of them will be cosmetic damage (we've never experienced anything like this before in Bangkok and people are understandably scared). So having 700 on the list means nothing. Obviously there is damage to buildings. It remains to be seen if any are structural and, if so, when they were built. For now I am reserving judgement as should everyone else. Wait and see.

So no then, as expected. Just rant, shout and Thai bash - your modus operandi.

I can't find anything about this online. Do you have a link please? Where did you get this information? Not saying it isn't true but would like to see your source.

Did any buildings collapse? How did those built after 2021 fare? Any sensible insights or just more shouting and ranting?

The latest update of seismic protection code (DPT1301/1302-61) for buildings was brought in in 2021 and is tighter than the previous one of 2009 (DPT1302-52) DPT1301/1302-61-compliant buildings are designed "to ensure life safety and immediate occupancy after moderate earthquakes. While minor damage (cracks, localized yielding) is expected, catastrophic failure is mitigated through ductile detailing and rigorous base shear requirements." Did any built after 2021 collapse or have they been condemned?

Do you follow this guy? 🤣

Thaier than Thai (whatever that means) for calling out lies. He said there are videos showing structurally weakened buildings with compromised superstructures. I just asked to see them. If he has seen them it shouldn't be difficult to share the links as that is all I was asking. Then the backtracking and the personal attacks....

Are you schizophrenic? That's the complete opposite of what you claimed earlier, you know, the nonsense that I replied to. I asked you where are the videos of these buildings that are structurally damaged and have weakened superstructures. Your reply is that there has been no assessment. So why make the claim if you just made it up?

Can you share some links to these videos showing structural damage or "superstructure damage" of the many high rise buildings that have been weakened? (Aside from the six that were declared unsafe by the BMA).

Ok buddy. Enjoy.