terryw Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I bet that Thai Airways will never be on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, 55Jay said: https://www.caat.or.th/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/The-list-of-active-certified-AOC-Holder-update-2-Aug-17.pdf Can somebody give some explanation with this list? What does it mean in practical terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryasimight Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, oldhippy said: Since you have information that other posters don't have, please tell us which airlines are / are not affected. Thank you. As of Wednesday last week I have flown both Bangkok Airlines and Nok Air so I guess they aren't on the list. Saw plenty of Thai taking off and landing at Swampy too. Must admit it was a little alarming landing at Satuek in the middle of a stormy downpour....came in sideways. Edited September 5, 2017 by tryasimight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, 55Jay said: https://www.caat.or.th/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/The-list-of-active-certified-AOC-Holder-update-2-Aug-17.pdf Almost all of those on this list still show license expiration dates out into the future. But, I'm assuming, only the first 8 or 9 on the list with license expiration dates out to 2022 are the newly relicensed ones (the major commercial carriers). And the rest are in the waiting to be relicensed category, including Orient Thai, MJet, Asia Atlantic, Thai Smile, and Thai Vietjet, among others. A lot of those entities on the list aren't even shown as flying jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tryasimight Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 hours ago, scorecard said: On the other hand: - A recent report indicating that checking airport staff when they go airside is less than satisfactory at both airports. - All the airlines are very lax in terms of checking that ticket and ID given matches and even more lax to check whether the passenger is the person in the photo. One particular budget airline basically check nothing. That hasn't been my experience......they check a number of times.....at least two times at Swampy for international flights. Once before they let you go upstairs to immigration control and the airline staff check again. For domestic at DM they check before security scanning and the airline staff check again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Sir Swagman said: Having experience with an airline here I can honestly say that if the 'inspection' was done with any diligence in practical operations, instead of making sure the paperwork was in order (which is the usual process), I doubt any airlines would pass a check. Standards are lowered to the point where a 'pass' can be achieved (at least most of the time) and maintenance leaves much to be desired. 1 hour ago, bogozy said: Sorriful, the current Thai education system is not suitable to output a large number of technicians, engineers and qualified fitters, to meet with the demand of air industry. A big number of students are finishing the elementary school, without the skill to read and write properly. I also doubt there is a shortage of staff to do the jobs. This would imply that the tasks required are not being completed and if that were the case no permission to fly in the first case. Rather it is the quality of the work. Box ticking and systematic bodging with weak commitment to quality control. However, the problem, as far as we can ascertain, does not extend to the bigger airlines but at the same time certainly does little to raise confidence about a possible/potential 'creeping' problem even if not systemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 10 minutes ago, oldhippy said: Can somebody give some explanation with this list? What does it mean in practical terms? Sorry, that was the PDF from the Thai Civil Aviation Authority. Wasn't finding a list of suspended AOCs, so thought the list showing active AOCs would be useful. https://www.caat.or.th/en/archives/25835 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Off topic bickering nonsense posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 6 hours ago, davehowden said: And the 16 airlines are ??? Due to the fantastic defamation laws, and suppression of investigative journalism in this country, the list in a sealed envelope may be found under the carpet in some big brass' office with overweight privates to stand guard on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Duck Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) Well as of 11:39 5/9/17 Nok Air is still booking flights from DMK to SGN. Checked skyscanner flights feom BKK to LAX tomorrow returning next week no thai airlines showed flights Edited September 5, 2017 by Grumpy Duck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spermwhale Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 5 hours ago, BwindiBoy said: Defamation Laws... Not if there is an official announcement like that there is no defamation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uktony Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 6 hours ago, darksidedog said: I thought the same, but I guess you can find out easy enough as they are the ones who wont be able to sell you a ticket right now. I have to say I find this amusing in that only a few short weeks ago, we were told Thailand was to become the hub in Asia for aircraft maintenance, yet now it seems their abilities on this front are as poor as most comments on the subject suggested. They can sell you tickets, as this will all be sorted out by the time you want to fly this afternoon. If not you can apply for a refund in the normal way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 7 hours ago, webfact said: SIXTEEN airlines registered in Thailand have failed safety and related regulatory assessments conducted by the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand (CAAT), no surprise; thailand has a country-wide safety issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggusoil Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 6 hours ago, Dave67 said: Good job Yingluck got out when she did In her "own" transport. Didn't someone say she had not booked a flight with a regular airline. The dream of my own helicopter? Thinking cap back on 5555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 And what does it mean for the overworked immigration officers? Yeah, it's PARTYTIME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupermarineS6B Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Ha ha......they're not the same as Tuk Tuks boys........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Walden Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 5 hours ago, shanesox said: Waiting for the first catastrophe to happen at Suvarnabhumi! It's due Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Quiet please I've got my ticket arriving soon...perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaphod reborn Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) A few of the airlines subject to the international flight ban are mentioned here. Quote 2017-08-17 The Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand (CAAT) has agreed to allow airlines required to halt international flights during the International Civil Aviation Organisation's (ICAO) red-flag re-evaluation next month to operate an additional domestic flight per day per route until January. CAAT director Chula Sukmanop yesterday said the measure was to help airlines that will need to temporarily stop operating international flights from Sept 1 because they have yet to be reissued Air Operator Certificates (Re-AOCs). Those airlines have to pass an ICAO safety standard inspection due to take place around the third week of next month. CAAT news release 17-8-2017 Edited September 5, 2017 by metisdead Edited as per fair use policy: 14) You will not post any copyrighted material except as fair use laws apply (as in the case of news articles). Please only post a link, the headline and the first three sentences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetT Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 6 hours ago, Adeeos said: I remember awhile back, didn't the CEO? of Swampy blame several mantainance issues on, "bad spirits",,, and claimed some new spirit houses needed to be build at the airport to appease them... My next domestic flight out of Swampy is on Friday 13th.....OMG.........! I wish the Thais were superstitious about Friday 13th. If they were it might have cost half the price......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickeylo Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 man this is <deleted> up Iam in thailand right now been here from 8/30/17 leaving 0n sept 19 on thai airlines I wonder if they will put me on another airline? what should I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manhood Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 MHHHh what I learned again from this failure is: any of official announcments make in Thailand are a lie!!!!!!!!!!!! And that a newspaper having this article not name all the airlines involved is another failure of informations given to the readers. So also meaning that they not want to name the airlines you should be aware to fly for not loose face: in Thailand it's a daily loose face as nothing of any kind of work is properly done! So forget in this country to losse face as all faces are lost already!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseTheBass Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I would worry about any Thai regulatory body ensuring international standards, as they simply can't be trusted to do a thorough and honest job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headphone Jack Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 There are 16 airlines in Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpharma Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Here we go again...They announced just a few months ago that they would become the "hub" for aviation maintenance...after that they declared themselves the "hub" for medical tourism...It will never happen. But indeed, in some other domains they really became the "hub"...(...most killings on the road...teenage pregnancies...etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tso310 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Just wear a few more amulets when you fly and everything will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 10 hours ago, webfact said: 16 Thai airlines suspend their operations after failing safety assessments Who expected anything different??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave67 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, mickeylo said: man this is <deleted> up Iam in thailand right now been here from 8/30/17 leaving 0n sept 19 on thai airlines I wonder if they will put me on another airline? what should I do give them a bell, mind you I'd say their lines are jammed at the moment Edited September 5, 2017 by Dave67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave67 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 52 minutes ago, manhood said: MHHHh what I learned again from this failure is: any of official announcments make in Thailand are a lie!!!!!!!!!!!! And that a newspaper having this article not name all the airlines involved is another failure of informations given to the readers. So also meaning that they not want to name the airlines you should be aware to fly for not loose face: in Thailand it's a daily loose face as nothing of any kind of work is properly done! So forget in this country to losse face as all faces are lost already!!!!!!!!!!!! The BIG airlines must be part of the 16 or they'd throw the other ones under the bus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 11 hours ago, webfact said: SIXTEEN airlines registered in Thailand have failed safety and related regulatory assessments conducted by the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand (CAAT), requiring them to suspend operations That's actually good news. No third runway required and immigration can increase foreigner processing with staff idled by fewer passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave67 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said: The old saying goes, 'Never fly with Orient Thai'. The lies and corruption exposed after the Phuket Orient Thai One2Go disaster where flight OG269 crashed killing 90 on board should be enough for anyone of right mind never to fly with them, ever. Overworked pilots, lack of simple control measures etc... of course there will be other airlines flouting the regulations, it's the Thai way. Money Number One. One Orient Thai Jumbo parked up in DM for about 2 years, falling apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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