4 hours ago, davehowden said:

And the 16 airlines are ???

It will harm their business if people know who they are, that's why. Poor us.

Sacking the "journalist" that wrote the article would be a good start.

Having experience with an airline here I can honestly say that if the 'inspection' was done with any diligence in practical operations, instead of making sure the paperwork was in order (which is the usual process), I doubt any airlines would pass a check. Standards are lowered to the point where a 'pass' can be achieved (at least most of the time) and maintenance leaves much to be desired. 

The BKK Post had a Sept. 1 article that talked about 12 airlines not yet having been approved for operating licenses and thus started facing CAAT bans as of that date. FWIW, the article was pretty weasel wordy with the headline and lead talking about airlines facing financial losses--not clearly saying they had been shuttered.

 

Named in the article were:

--K-Mile Thailand cargo carrier

--Asia Atlantic

--Orient Thai

--Thai VietJet Air (but the article somehow then says the airlines 3 domestic Thai routes are not affected)

--MJets charter service

 

The same article said the CAAT has already recertified nine Thai carriers, including:

Thai Air

Thai AirAsia

Bangkok Airways

(the article didn't list any of the others)

 

Oddly, there are a couple of places in the BKK Post article where it makes it sound like only INTERNATIONAL services are going to be affected by the shutdowns, and NOT DOMESTIC services. But, The Nation report doesn't seem to mention that distinction at all.

 

One way or the other, total BS reporting for both of them failing to just list all the airlines that have been impacted.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

 

"Sorry, that's classified information."

Not section 44 again

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

More people die on the roads than die in falling planes ! And if this agency looked at thai cars - 25% would be banned immediately

And if they checked the drivers 85% would be banned and that's including the farang drivers. 

In reading some prior BKK Post articles on the subject in the past month, they clearly say -- unlike the most recent one -- that only international services are being halted by the CAAT's order for Thai airlines that haven't yet had their operating licenses renewed.  Obviouusly, it's perfectly fine to have domestic air services with uncertified airlines!!!!

 

Another one among the group that got relicenced was one called NewGen Airways, referred to as Thailand's largest China focused charter operator.

 

And in fact, another BKK Post article said the CAAT had agreed to allow carriers that hadn't renewed their licenses to INCREASE their numbers of domestic flights in order to offset the losses they'd experience by not being able to operate internationally. The same article said the government had also agreed to reduce airport fees for parked jets in another move to help the unlicensed airlines.

 

Again, no complete list of either licensed or unlicensed carriers in any of those reports.

 

 

 

 

Sorriful, the current Thai education system is not suitable to output a large number of technicians, engineers and qualified fitters, to meet with the demand of air industry.  A big number of students are finishing the elementary school, without the skill to read and write properly.  

 

4 hours ago, Dave67 said:

Good job Yingluck got out when she did

If she was smart, by private non-Thai-owned jet.

 

Since there are 23 passenger-carrying airlines registered here, this means nearly two thirds have been flying on a wing and a prayer.

 

Scary.

Air planes, Train, Buses, Cars and motor bikes take your pick any reasonable safety audit would fail up to 80% if not more. Why Other Thai air lines are singled out ,  Hmmmmmmmmm same answer as every other time , start checking officials bank accounts you will soon find the source.

1 minute ago, bogozy said:

Sorriful, the current Thai education system is not suitable to output a large number of technicians, engineers and qualified fitters, to meet with the demand of air industry.  A big number of students are finishing the elementary school, without the skill to read and write properly.  

 

I just wonder if that is same problem as the knowledge of English after 4-5 years of English lessons? 

The Thai English teachers cannot speak English themselves so how can they teach English? 

 

They should ban all movies dubbed to Thai and replace them with movies in original language and with subtitles. 

 

Then the student might be more interested to learn their own written language and at the same time they will hear some proper English. 

1 hour ago, fxe1200 said:

 

I always fly with my amulet, and never ever something happened to me.

I think it is also a good idea for the pilot to be flying with his amulet, maybe several like the taxi do.

4 hours ago, Dave67 said:

Take your pick

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airlines_of_Thailand

Going by this, there are only 27 counting cargo and charter.  That leaves 11? lol  Who even knew Thailand had 16 working airlines?

Typical Thai reporting: give the list of these 16 airlines

Maybe this airplane is in the group of the Sweet Sixteen. Been parked for years at P-lok Airport.

43 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The BKK Post had a Sept. 1 article that talked about 12 airlines not yet having been approved for operating licenses and thus started facing CAAT bans as of that date. FWIW, the article was pretty weasel wordy with the headline and lead talking about airlines facing financial losses--not clearly saying they had been shuttered.

 

Named in the article were:

--K-Mile Thailand cargo carrier

--Asia Atlantic

--Orient Thai

--Thai VietJet Air (but the article somehow then says the airlines 3 domestic Thai routes are not affected)

--MJets charter service

 

The same article said the CAAT has already recertified nine Thai carriers, including:

Thai Air

Thai AirAsia

Bangkok Airways

(the article didn't list any of the others)

 

Oddly, there are a couple of places in the BKK Post article where it makes it sound like only INTERNATIONAL services are going to be affected by the shutdowns, and NOT DOMESTIC services. But, The Nation report doesn't seem to mention that distinction at all.

 

One way or the other, total BS reporting for both of them failing to just list all the airlines that have been impacted.

 

 

 

Thai Viet Jet had to suspend their international service which i think was one flight to Bangkok to Haiphong. They can continue with their domestic flights though. For a larger airline like Vietjet to start up a thai sister airline and then fail to gain international certification to even fly back to Vietnam is quite shocking. 

3 hours ago, Ricardo said:

 

I understand that they're still mulling the draft-proposal, ahead of setting-up a committee to develop recommendations, for establishing an inspection-body for flying-pigs !  Oink Oink ! 

Thailand the hub of flying pigs

 

3 minutes ago, CNXBKKMAN said:

Thai Viet Jet had to suspend their international service which i think was one flight to Bangkok to Haiphong. They can continue with their domestic flights though. For a larger airline like Vietjet to start up a thai sister airline and then fail to gain international certification to even fly back to Vietnam is quite shocking. 

 

One of the Post articles I read said VJ was looking at having their VN-based parent carrier take over the one international route that had been operated by their Thai subsidiary. Whether or not they've done that at this point, I have no idea.

 

It's quite curious -- and thus far unexplained in any of the news reports -- of why/how CAAT is allowing unlicensed air carriers to continue to operate Thai domestic flights, even while suspending their international operations.

 

Of course, The Nation report that led off this thread didn't make any note of that distinction at all.

 

The prior Post article that I can't post or link here also named OrientThai as one of the carriers seeking to get re-licensed.  Lord help us!!!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orient_Thai_Airlines

 

Edited September 5, 20178 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

3 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Since you have information that other posters don't have, please tell us which airlines are / are not affected.

Thank you.

The information is already in the public domain.

 

Don't ask me to do your google-ing and wiki-ing.

Whew..... glad this debacle is no where near as shameful as a nice set of exposed breasts, otherwise someone would be losing face.

 

Just everyday, non shameful Thai stuff going on here... move along... face saved... all good.

High time Thailand  pulled it's in trenches head out of its but and started allowing foreign pietc and flight crews to work in the country. This Taiwan only policy in moSt walks of life just does not work

2 hours ago, shaurene said:

Hi Dave.

I think they are asking who the ones with the safety problems.

Once again, the ones that you have never ever heard of.

 

Must be a real bummer for some when the chance of an early morning Thai bash fizzles out.

8 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Once again, the ones that you have never ever heard of.

 

Must be a real bummer for some when the chance of an early morning Thai bash fizzles out.

 

I would say many people have heard of Orient Thai, VietJet and a few others on the partial unlicensed list that's surfaced.

 

But it's hard to "hear" of unlicensed airlines when the news media haven't actually published the full list of those in the unlicensed category. Or all those that have been newly re-licensed, for that matter.

 

Edited September 5, 20178 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

50 minutes ago, IAMHERE said:

I think it is also a good idea for the pilot to be flying with his amulet, maybe several like the taxi do.

Maybe you should just stay home!

1 hour ago, bogozy said:

Sorriful, the current Thai education system is not suitable to output a large number of technicians, engineers and qualified fitters, to meet with the demand of air industry.  A big number of students are finishing the elementary school, without the skill to read and write properly.  

 

Yeah, but like many who flopped around in a piss-poor tertiary education in [insert western country of your choice here], once they left school and got a real job, they learned real quick.

53 minutes ago, XBroker said:

Going by this, there are only 27 counting cargo and charter.  That leaves 11? lol  Who even knew Thailand had 16 working airlines?

Crushing news for some I am sure.

I did a google search and found that 1-2 go was one of the suspended airlines. Another was a charter that I had never heard of. That was all I could locate

Hahaha..I will stop flying within Thailand now .16 unnamed airlines?  Let's count the ones we know and hope we can get 15???

 

https://www.caat.or.th/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/The-list-of-active-certified-AOC-Holder-update-2-Aug-17.pdf