Tropical Crotch Rot

[transam]

Just now, onthesoi said:

 

A UK company might have slapped a patent on it, but some of the main ingredients are not indigenous to the UK so seems unlikley + there is a town in Africa called Zambuk, although my money is on Asia as the original source...then meandered its way to the UK via the old empire trade routes.

 

http://www.webcitation.org/5yuLhPhqV

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zam-Buk

[Jingthing]

Pretty much everything I've read says if the antifungal works keep doing it for a good period of time after it's cleared. Not to quit it right away.

 

On the other hand I agree cream dependency can happen. I think that's what happened in my underarms with Daktacort. I could just apply a tiny bit there for life but instead I've chosen to treat it when it flares and then stop the cream until it flares again.

 

Btw I remember asking the doctor that suggested the Daktacort whether I would need to use it indefinitely and his answer was maybe.

 

On the question of foot fungus it is true you should treat that concurrently with jock itch to reduce repeats spreading to crotch.

 

On what I tried with jock itch just the antifungal Daktarin well yes I did it for a long time but it didn't result in a full clear up.

 

It's odd because Daktarin definitely works and quickly on my feet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kokesaat]

I had a 10 year case of athlete's foot before I came to Thailand.  My military doctor prescribed dermovate.....but cautioned me about using too much or using it for too long.  My foot problems never cleared completely.

 

After I came here, my foot problems grew worse....and I had underarm and crotch blotches as well.

Somewhere along the lines of trying a variety of cures, I read about the proper use of strong creams like dermovate:

Dry the area completely.  Apply a very thin amount, twice per day.  Once the problem starts to clear up, taper off to once per day.  Then once per two days, then three etc. 

Another trick I 'learned' was using my wife's old hair dryer to dry my feet after showers or after walking outside if it was wet.  

Long story short, my multi-year foot problem is mostly gone.  I might apply dermovate twice a year or so for a 2 week (tapering off period)....and always do so at the very first hint of a problem. 

It worked for me

[Jingthing]

Dermovate? So that's a strong steroid but no antifungal in it?

[adammike]

On 05/09/2017 at 9:53 AM, tubby johnson said:

Try applying vinegar.

 

Seriously, it works against any rash or infection.

Apple cider vinegar is the best,my experience is that you have to wash yourself really well with soap and water and rinse well, dry yourself with towels and get some rolls of kitchen paper and make sure you are bone dry around the crotch.if you sweat a lot you may need to lose weight and stop with alcohol.drying yourself and staying dry is the single most important thing you can do, clean cotton underwear no synthetics. 

[eddysmit]

I see some very good ideas on this topic here, particularly wearing cotton garments after sorted, when I went to a clinic many years ago with regards to something else, I was suffering from the 'itch' at the time, all was deep red down below and terrible especially at night, I thought lets ask the nurse if she can come up with something,so, dropped the kicks,asking first, and gave her a look, she looked at me and said 'fungus', what you must do is wash, wash, and wash again, no soap, keep dry, it did work, I do shower twice a day and when a slight showing happens I'm in and out washing with just plain water, it usually disperses after a day,I did have an 'itchy' rear end that flared up when very hot, even with the wash,wash,and wash again it would not go away, I did try most of the treatments mentioned by other posters here but, some made it worse,didn't try the vinegar one though, I'm a great believer in Vinegar remedies,but one sleepless 'itchy' night in desperation I washed my fingers under the tap and tipped salt on them and rubbed it in, I nearly jumped through the ceiling, but, it worked and I got some sleep, also it cleared up.

[Jingthing]

You washed without any kind of soap? I don't understand. Doesn't seem possible. 

[eddysmit]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You washed without any kind of soap? I don't understand. Doesn't seem possible. 

When I had the 'itch' the nurse said don't use soap on the sore area, just keep washing that area with plain water, of course, you can use soap as per normal after, soap has detergent agents and will irritate an already 'over irritated' area.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, eddysmit said:

When I had the 'itch' the nurse said don't use soap on the sore area, just keep washing that area with plain water, of course, you can use soap as per normal after, soap has detergent agents and will irritate an already 'over irritated' area.

There are also expensive non-soap cleaners for sensitive skin. I used to use them and probably should again. Yes soap can be irritating.

 

A related question on drying the areas. Hair dryers -- good idea or not? 

[eddysmit]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

There are also expensive non-soap cleaners for sensitive skin. I used to use them and probably should again. Yes soap can be irritating.

 

A related question on drying the areas. Hair dryers -- good idea or not? 

Yes I do try and use shampoos and soaps without most of the damaging chemicals, I have brought 'special' soaps and Shampoos back with me after a trip back home, I see many can be bought here now, drying for me after showering I always find a good fresh soft fluffy towel 'dabbing' dry the best, apparently for drying hands 'Airdryers' seem to be the most hygienic, as for the hair dryers, if on cold and out of the shower sounds okay, I will give that one a try, if I can find one that blows cool,just had a thought, I have one of those water 'chillers' doing nothing, I will give that one a try out for drying the 'bottom parts'. 

[Jingthing]

Not sure what you mean by air dryers. I have fans but drying with them doesn't seem fast or complete and a hair dryer which is HOT. Of course the hair dryer works well and fast but it seems to me that such heat there would be an irritant especially if the area is already inflamed. 

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, tryasimight said:

You wash every couple of days? British by any chance?

Shower every night with just water. Might use soap every two or three days. Same with teeth.

 

English; East London.

Edited September 6, 2017 by owl sees all

[eddysmit]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Not sure what you mean by air dryers. I have fans but drying with them doesn't seem fast or complete and a hair dryer which is HOT. Of course the hair dryer works well and fast but it seems to me that such heat there would be an irritant especially if the area is already inflamed. 

'Airdryers'usually found in shop toilets for drying hands, and no way would I use any form of heat on an already 'irritated' area, it would only 'inflame' it, hence my reason for thinking about using my portable 'water chiller'. I will sort that one out tomorrow.

[soalbundy]

3 minutes ago, eddysmit said:

'Airdryers'usually found in shop toilets for drying hands, and no way would I use any form of heat on an already 'irritated' area, it would only 'inflame' it, hence my reason for thinking about using my portable 'water chiller'. I will sort that one out tomorrow.

Perhaps this should be further discussed at the ladies choir meeting

[kokesaat]

The hair dryer I use is an older one of my wife's....she wanted a new one........and I use the older one without any attachments.  I keep it hanging next to our laundry basket......I toss in dirty clothes after a shower and use the dryer to dry off damp areas.  The dryer has 2 heat settings and two fan settings.

Not related to the problem here....but I had ear problems for several years......corn cobs could grow in there, despite my best efforts to keep the area clean.  For the past 2 years, after a shower, I blow warm air toward my ears.....not directly, but close enough to dry them.  Miracles!

[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

You washed without any kind of soap?

The body, and the skin particularty, has its own eco-system. If you are dirty or sweaty wash with just tepid clean water. Any 'soap' I use I make myself with natural stuff. 

 

Once the body is in a netrual state (balance) - in other words it is making sure the epidermis is being looked after by the eco-system and the body organs are allowing nutrients to get to the three layers of skin - it is more difficult for a fungas (for instance) to get started.

 

As for all these soaps, and perfumes for men, and shaving; there are companies that would like to have a world of ladyboys.

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[Jingthing]

16 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The body, and the skin particularty, has its own eco-system. If you are dirty or sweaty wash with just tepid clean water. Any 'soap' I use I make myself with natural stuff. 

 

Once the body is in a netrual state (balance) - in other words it is making sure the epidermis is being looked after by the eco-system and the body organs are allowing nutrients to get to the three layers of skin - it is more difficult for a fungas (for instance) to get started.

 

As for all these soaps, and perfumes for men, and shaving; there are companies that would like to have a world of ladyboys.

Hi there.

Well, I enjoy hearing your distinctive "Mr. Natural" POV so keep it coming!

We're truly getting some very diverse perspectives here.

Of course all of these often conflicting ideas don't make it any easier to decide on a specific path. That's kind of modern life these days. Almost too much info.

I find even when getting medical specialists opinions and treatment plans, you've really got to do your own due diligence about them.

I recently got a scrip for another condition from a "specialist" and did some research about it. It would have been a disaster (in another area of my body OTHER than his specialty) for me to take that med and the doctor would have known that if he had bothered to take a history (assuming he knew enough about the issue which might be too generous).

In my experience I think the medical culture is very different than in the west. The "Thai way" seems to be to always listen to the doctor, don't ask questions, and certainly don't do research that might contradict the doctor's orders. Of course sometimes what they're ordering is spot on ... but only sometimes. 

 

Edited September 6, 2017 by Jingthing

[faraday]

You got Dreads too, Mr Owl?

[owl sees all]

2 minutes ago, faraday said:

You got Dreads too, Mr Owl?

No sir, not now. When I lived in the WI I had them but they were just a tangled load of hair. 

 

Now-a-days beard is longer than hair!!

Edited September 6, 2017 by owl sees all

[jak2002003]

8 hours ago, transam said:

What works for you may not work for others, in fact your method did not work for me. A 200bht tube of Quadriderm sorted it "for me"...

You used the rubbing alcohol several times a day?  How long did you do this for?  I thought you were asking for cures (sorry I may be wrong but can't be bothered reading though all the thread again).

[jak2002003]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

As for all these soaps, and perfumes for men, and shaving; there are companies that would like to have a world of ladyboys.

But you are no ladyboy.. you don't use any soap or detergents to clean your body... you like to be natural... and smell like a real natural caveman.......

[opalred]

let the air circulate 

put a battery fan in pants

[Sheryl]

One of the big problems here is that pretty much all the antifungals available are creams.

 

With jock itch and the like, the secret to control (once the acute inflammation has subsided) are:

 

- keeping the area dry and aired

-keeping the area clean and the skin pH acidic

 

The creams unfortunately work against the dryness. In the west there are plenty of antifungal powders, for some reason I cannot fathom they do not seem to be available here.

 

Anyway if I were you I would use the prescribed cream initially but then look at ways to avoid recurrence by keeping the affected area as dry, ventilated, clean and (slightly) acidic as possible.

 

Be sure underwear is 100% cotton, trousers should be not too tight or restrictive and preferrably also cotton or other light fabric.  Shower and change underwear as often as necessary to keep the area dry and clean. Fungi thrive in moisture and darkness.

 

After each shower: wipe the area with cotton pad soaked in vinegar (plain cheap white vinegar is fine for this  purpose) then stand in front of a fan, contort as necessary until all areas have been throughly dried, then only put on your clothes. This will help a great deal but you won't want to do it until the inflammation has subsided first, otherwise the vinegar will sting.

 

You might also consider using a "feminine hygiene" wash (unless there is a male equivalent?), these are designed to leave the skin slightly acidic.

 

Lastly if you have not had a fasting blood sugar or Hb1AC recently, you should. Diabetes is a big risk factor for poorly controlled yeast infections. So also is HIV so if not checked in past year or two, ditto.

 

 

 

 

[luk AJ]

I did 't go through all the posts but easy solution is bathing in potassium permanganate concentration 1/1000
Have to be repeated a few times. Skin will color darker because of the oxydized permanganate. Color becomes normal again after a few days. If you want to speed this up, use lemon juice to disolve the darker color.


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[owl sees all]

1 hour ago, jak2002003 said:

But you are no ladyboy.. you don't use any soap or detergents to clean your body... you like to be natural... and smell like a real natural caveman.

Let the skin behave as nature intended. Let the hair grow where it should for both Ladies and men.
 

The adds are trying to trying to get all the men Nancified. And the ladies smelling like rose gardens.

 

Man should smell like man; lady smell like lady. Not man smell like ice-cream and lady smell like roses. Whenever I see that TV add; Niv--a, It's up to you, it makes me want to throw up. 

 

Edited September 6, 2017 by owl sees all

[Aussieroaming]

5 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

thanks doc….btw fungi forms under the skin and no amount of alcohol can penetrate the epidermis...

thats fine DH, by the way anti bacterial solution kills bacteria that causes BO. So crawl back under your rock

[jak2002003]

32 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Let the skin behave as nature intended. Let the hair grow where it should for both Ladies and men.
 

The adds are trying to trying to get all the men Nancified. And the ladies smelling like rose gardens.

 

Man should smell like man; lady smell like lady. Not man smell like ice-cream and lady smell like roses. Whenever I see that TV add; Niv--a, It's up to you, it makes me want to throw up. 

 

So you don't wipe you arse either, or brush you teeth?  

 

Nature is not hygienic.  Look at the street dogs... they never have a soap wash.. all natural..  and they STINK.  You want to smell like that... please stay away from the general public.  

 

Also BO under you arms is natural... full of pheromones.... but I think very few people like the smell of sweaty armpits... or feet.  

 

 

 

 

[smotherb]

10 hours ago, Lokie said:

I have had both jock itch and butt rash over the years on & off during hot weather periods, having read the thread, no one has mentioned about soaps and shampoos/shower gels affecting your skin. My advice which works for me if ever I get a flare up (which I don't now-a-days)

 

- As mentioned no tight fitting undies, and cotton only

 

- Use only simple type neutral soaps/shampoos around you crotch/never regions

 

For both conditions: a topical corticosteroid cream (I use Trimovate cream, this clears things up in a few days) and gives instant relief, once symptoms have been relieved and rash clears (after a few days) then maintain with just regular clean warm water and no scented soaps shampoos etc - use mild simple products, loose fitting cotton undies (going commando will not help, in fact it could trigger an attack) 

 

If after a few days no improvement you need to go see a Doc.

 

I have always gone with the idea that baby shampoos, talcs and Sudocrem, if they are mild enough for babies then they aint gonna do my bits any harm either so I do use these regular, maybe why I don't have these types of attacks anymore, I also use Snake brand occasionally when here in LOS, just a bit at night after last shower under pits and never regions, would not use if having a flare up though, Yikes!

 

Yes, I am 72 and have lived in the tropics all my life--I am from Florida. I have had rashes when I was active in sports or deployed in the jungle and didn't have the wherewithal to not sweat or bathe often enough. I use Johnson's baby shampoo daily for body and hair washing. As I said, bathe at least twice a day; if sweating, three of four times a day. It is imperative to keep your body-friction areas clean and sweat- and fungus-free; if you don't you will have body odor and rashes. Quite simple really.  

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, Sheryl said:

One of the big problems here is that pretty much all the antifungals available are creams.

 

With jock itch and the like, the secret to control (once the acute inflammation has subsided) are:

 

- keeping the area dry and aired

-keeping the area clean and the skin pH acidic

 

The creams unfortunately work against the dryness. In the west there are plenty of antifungal powders, for some reason I cannot fathom they do not seem to be available here.

 

Anyway if I were you I would use the prescribed cream initially but then look at ways to avoid recurrence by keeping the affected area as dry, ventilated, clean and (slightly) acidic as possible.

 

Be sure underwear is 100% cotton, trousers should be not too tight or restrictive and preferrably also cotton or other light fabric.  Shower and change underwear as often as necessary to keep the area dry and clean. Fungi thrive in moisture and darkness.

 

After each shower: wipe the area with cotton pad soaked in vinegar (plain cheap white vinegar is fine for this  purpose) then stand in front of a fan, contort as necessary until all areas have been throughly dried, then only put on your clothes. This will help a great deal but you won't want to do it until the inflammation has subsided first, otherwise the vinegar will sting.

 

You might also consider using a "feminine hygiene" wash (unless there is a male equivalent?), these are designed to leave the skin slightly acidic.

 

Lastly if you have not had a fasting blood sugar or Hb1AC recently, you should. Diabetes is a big risk factor for poorly controlled yeast infections. So also is HIV so if not checked in past year or two, ditto.

 

 

 

 

Thanks as usual Sheryl for your well regarded information here on the health forum.

 

In response --

 

There is an antifungal powder that I saw sold at Boots. Also mentioned here as being sold at Big C I think. But I'm wondering if it's just a maintenance powder or strong enough to treat an acute case (as I have).

The product is 

Clotrimazole Dusting Powder

1 percent

At Boots, it's sold in the regular part of the store, not at the medications counter. Adding to my confusion about whether it would be as good for acute treatment of fungus as something like Lamisil cream.

 

Cotton pads? Specifically pads or would standard cotton balls do?

 

 

Thanks again. 

 

 

 

Edited September 6, 2017 by Jingthing

[Jonmarleesco]

Try Canesten. Gentle but effective.