Putin says Trump is listening to Russia's views on North Korea crisis

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Putin says Trump is listening to Russia's views on North Korea crisis

 

FILE PHOTO - Russia's President Vladimir Putin chairs a meeting on preparations for the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Moscow, Russia October 3, 2017. Sputnik/Alexei Nikolsky/Kremlin via REUTERS

 

MOSCOW (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Wednesday that U.S. President Donald Trump was listening to Russia's views on the North Korean missile crisis which emphasise diplomacy over further sanctions or military action.

 

Putin, speaking at an energy forum in Moscow, called for all sides to dial down the rhetoric on North Korea.

 

(Reporting by Jacks Stubbs and Katya Golubkova; Editing by Andrew Osborn)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-10-05

[quadperfect]

I am not buyin it.

[Becker]

Of course the man-child is listening. He wouldn't want a certain golden shower video to surface, would he.

Man, that would be the day I popped that special bottle of Champagne if his handler ever released it!

[dunroaming]

Trump desperately needs a way out over North Korea.  Putin playing the statesman while Kim and Trump are still acting like a pair of out of control children.

[julietx]

clinton, bush & obama at least had the sense not to go down the road of confrontation with NK

 

it's a dead end.

[craigt3365]

1 hour ago, julietx said:

clinton, bush & obama at least had the sense not to go down the road of confrontation with NK

 

it's a dead end.

Clinton, Bush and Obama tried negotiating for years and look where it got us? A nuclear North Korea threatening to sink Japan and turn South Korea into ashes.

 

So yes. Negotiating seems to be a dead end.

[sweatalot]

Did Trump learn that Putin is undermining the sanctions - thus making a peaceful solution more difficult?

[dunroaming]

3 hours ago, julietx said:

clinton, bush & obama at least had the sense not to go down the road of confrontation with NK

 

it's a dead end.

Literally a dead end.  In fact military action would be thousands of dead ends.

[William C F Pierce]

Why should anyone listen to Putin? Did he listen to anyone over Crimea (a part of Ukraine) or East Ukraine? At the end of 2016 Russia announced details of the most powerful and advanced sniper rifle in the world. Capable of killing at a distance of 3 kilometres. I was in the Ukraine in March/April 2016, when it was reported on English Language TV that many Ukrainian  Soldiers were being killed by sniper fire. Quite apart from the fact that Russian tanks illegally crossed the border into Ukraine. The Azon sea is bordered by Ukraine and Russia, so it is is obvious that Russia wants it as a large Naval Base all to itself, opening into the Black Sea which is governed by an international treaty. Vladivostok it's eastern naval port along with its Baltic naval port freeze over in winter. He needs to get out of Ukraine and Crimea before he expects anyone to listen to him.

[dunroaming]

13 minutes ago, William C F Pierce said:

Why should anyone listen to Putin? Did he listen to anyone over Crimea (a part of Ukraine) or East Ukraine? At the end of 2016 Russia announced details of the most powerful and advanced sniper rifle in the world. Capable of killing at a distance of 3 kilometres. I was in the Ukraine in March/April 2016, when it was reported on English Language TV that many Ukrainian  Soldiers were being killed by sniper fire. Quite apart from the fact that Russian tanks illegally crossed the border into Ukraine. The Azon sea is bordered by Ukraine and Russia, so it is is obvious that Russia wants it as a large Naval Base all to itself, opening into the Black Sea which is governed by an international treaty. Vladivostok it's eastern naval port along with its Baltic naval port freeze over in winter. He needs to get out of Ukraine and Crimea before he expects anyone to listen to him.

Can't see the relevance to the current situation with North Korea.  I don't think anyone is saying that Putin should be listened to per say but like it or not Putin is a significant world voice after Xi. 

[tonray]

I think he is playing Trump again....knowing that his psych experts told him that if he stated Trump is listening to his advice, Trump will start trouble again...making the hole deeper. Keep in mind that Putin was a former senior KGB agent ...he is a very bad man and has ordered the murder of rivals and journalists who have opposed him. Trump will again fall into the trap.

[William C F Pierce]

5 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Can't see the relevance to the current situation with North Korea.  I don't think anyone is saying that Putin should be listened to per say but like it or not Putin is a significant world voice after Xi. 

The relevance has nothing to do with NK. Its about why should anyone listen to Putin, when he himself refrains from listening and does not stop acting illegally.

[dunroaming]

1 minute ago, William C F Pierce said:

The relevance has nothing to do with NK. Its about why should anyone listen to Putin, when he himself refrains from listening and does not stop acting illegally.

Putin is a very bad man, no question about that but he is also a very savvy man and he will play Trump like a fiddle.  Trump has got history with Putin and he will listen to him, after all he has little option.  Kim will also listen to him because he also has little option.  Anyway time will tell.

[William C F Pierce]

3 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Putin is a very bad man, no question about that but he is also a very savvy man and he will play Trump like a fiddle.  Trump has got history with Putin and he will listen to him, after all he has little option.  Kim will also listen to him because he also has little option.  Anyway time will tell.

Still not relevant!!! No-one should listen to him until he starts listening!!!

[tonray]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

Putin is a very bad man, no question about that but he is also a very savvy man and he will play Trump like a fiddle.  Trump has got history with Putin and he will listen to him, after all he has little option.  Kim will also listen to him because he also has little option.  Anyway time will tell.

I was reading a bit about the Korean War and apparently, Kim Il Sung had traveled to Moscow to meet with Stalin about his plan for taking the South. Stalin, it was said, pretty much knew Kim's idea of the Southern resistance rising up and fighting with him was nonsense, but encouraged him anyway with the knowledge that he was going to get blasted by the US military. What he did not anticipate was that the Chinese would see the US as an existential threat and enter the war. So the Soviets in spite of public statements to the contrary actually encouraged the war even though they knew NK would lose just to cause great distress for the Americans...I think Putin may be taking a page from Stalin's playbook here. Scumbag that he is.

[julietx]

14 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Clinton, Bush and Obama tried negotiating for years and look where it got us? A nuclear North Korea threatening to sink Japan and turn South Korea into ashes.

 

So yes. Negotiating seems to be a dead end.

 

it's the US war games that antagonise them

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, julietx said:

 

it's the US war games that antagonise them

Yeah, why would a country that was invaded by the North and is still technically in a state of war look for allies and practice defending itself?

 

Maybe it's the inherent instability of a repressive, backwards regime that needs an external enemy to justify its existence that is at the root of this.

[heybruce]

20 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Clinton, Bush and Obama tried negotiating for years and look where it got us? A nuclear North Korea threatening to sink Japan and turn South Korea into ashes.

 

So yes. Negotiating seems to be a dead end.

Actually Bush broke off negotiations almost immediately after taking office in 2001.  It was after that, in 2006, that North Korea exploded its first nuclear bomb.

[craigt3365]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Actually Bush broke off negotiations almost immediately after taking office in 2001.  It was after that, in 2006, that North Korea exploded its first nuclear bomb.

Agreed. Interesting commentary on it. Seems NK was also caught cheating on the agreement.

 

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-president-bushs-north-korea-failure-is-important-to-remember

The Bush team didn’t like the concept of the deal itself. Giving things to the North Koreans to get them to do things we wanted was rewarding misbehavior, ‘appeasement’.

......

The North Koreans have used menacing or destabilizing actions to extract aid from great powers.

[baboon]

7 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Agreed. Interesting commentary on it. Seems NK was also caught cheating on the agreement.

 

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/why-president-bushs-north-korea-failure-is-important-to-remember

The Bush team didn’t like the concept of the deal itself. Giving things to the North Koreans to get them to do things we wanted was rewarding misbehavior, ‘appeasement’.

......

The North Koreans have used menacing or destabilizing actions to extract aid from great powers.

The reader should take a look at the article you linked to, which agrees with Heybruce, though you choose to imply a different conclusion. Did the DPRK turn you down for a visa and you are on an epic sulk about it or what?

[craigt3365]

16 minutes ago, baboon said:

Did the DPRK turn you down for a visa and you are on an epic sulk about it or what?

Not at all. I've been to over 100 countries. But for sure would not have  Mugabe's avatar in my profile.  Kinda bizarre. 

[baboon]

5 minutes ago, craigt3365 said:

Not at all. I've been to over 100 countries. But for sure would not have  Mugabe's avatar in my profile.  Kinda bizarre. 

Do you agree with Heybruce or do you not?