webfact Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Police officer ‘commits suicide’ while at dinner with colleagues By The Nation A policeman allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself dead in a restaurant toilet in Si Sa Ket’s Uthumphon Phisai district on Wednesday night. Following the suicide report at 10 minutes past midnight, police found the body of Pol Senior Sgt-Major Narongsal Chalermsri, 52, who served as the Uthumphon Phisai precinct’s financial clerk, inside a restaurant toilet. The body – with one gunshot wound to the chest and another to the right temple – was found in a pool of blood while a pistol was found nearby. A police investigation concluded that Narongsak had come to the restaurant with precinct inspector Pol Major Chusak Chanthamala and four other officers for a meal when Narongsak excused himself to go to the toilet. A few minutes later a gunshot was heard and Chusak asked a subordinate to check at the toilet. Then another gunshot was heard, prompting the officers and other people in the restaurant to break down the toilet door. Police said they suspected that Narongsak might have been suffering from stress related to personal issues, which drove him to commit suicide. There was no explanation of a scenario involving two bullet wounds. Police also interviewed the officers at the scene and checked their hands for gunpowder residue in front of public bystanders. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30329127 -- © Copyright The Nation 2017-10-12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron19 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 A troll post with an unproven comment has been removed. 9) You will not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling. Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkenny Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Yeah must be suicide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVGerry Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 33 minutes ago, webfact said: Police said they suspected that Narongsak might have been suffering from stress related to personal issues, which drove him to commit suicide. I find it truly amazing the police here always jump to conclusions as to why a suicide or murder happens without even bothering to investigate first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Shocking! They usually take their colleagues out with them. Usually after one of them has recently been promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, TVGerry said: I find it truly amazing the police here always jump to conclusions as to why a suicide or murder happens without even bothering to investigate first. It comes down from the top. For example the Prime Minister of the country declaring that 2 Burmese are guilty before any trial has even begun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, Happy Grumpy said: It comes down from the top. For example the Prime Minister of the country declaring that 2 Burmese are guilty before any trial has even begun. That's because no Thai would do such a thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkksteve123 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 52 minutes ago, webfact said: The body – with one gunshot wound to the chest and another to the right temple – was found in a pool of blood while a pistol was found nearby. This part I find a bit odd. But I guess it's possible he first shot himself in the chest and realized this is going to be too slow, and then the right temple to finish it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf12 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 28 minutes ago, Artisi said: That's because no Thai would do such a thing... I suppose that would account for the halo's you see around every Thai's head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaltsc Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) "allegedly committed suicide...one gunshot wound to the chest and another to the right temple..." The only things missing to make this an open and shut case for suicide are 3 bullet wounds in the back. Edited October 12, 2017 by jaltsc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon789561 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 never clear cut here it seems but I think it could be possible but i'm no doctor so couldn't really say. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I know people always start criticizing arm chair detectives, arm chair CSI or whatever the latest 'buzz phrase' is posted by a handful of smart-asses who fail to understand that this forum is one for discussion.... but, regardless, here is my take... How on earth is the primary conclusion as to the case of death of someone with such injures suicide ? Is this pure and absolute laziness ? Is it a purse and total absence of 'give a flook' ? Is it instructions from above to play down an incident regardless of the blatant and glaringly obvious facts indicating otherwise? Surely it is far better to just state facts - Bullet wounds to the chest and temple, gun found nearby. Investigation ongoing.... Why would the spokesman have to make such a farcical comment as to suggest suicide?... its plainly idiotic and such commonplace now that we've become so used to the BiB pulling the wool over their own eyes in believing we (the public) may actually buy any of this, or they simply do not care whether we buy it at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucjoker Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 this is no news, merely a half story....not intresting not our business.........loss of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essecola Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) Christ, that was one tough Somchai. Blasts 'imself in the chest then one in the head for good measure. The Japanese seppuku crowd would be proud I think. The poor guy must have been very depressed and stressed out. He is in a better place now. Edited October 12, 2017 by Essecola Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Suicide possibly? As they are basically an outlaw gang what sort of people do they mix with? Excessive demands on other crooks for a piece of the action resulting in retaliation? Jealousies and friction from their colleagues, enraged husband or father of a Mia Noi? Wife or family members suspecting him holding out on them financially. No doubt the jungle they live in is a dangerous place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: I know people always start criticizing arm chair detectives, arm chair CSI or whatever the latest 'buzz phrase' is posted by a handful of smart-asses who fail to understand that this forum is one for discussion.... but, regardless, here is my take... How on earth is the primary conclusion as to the case of death of someone with such injures suicide ? Is this pure and absolute laziness ? Is it a purse and total absence of 'give a flook' ? Is it instructions from above to play down an incident regardless of the blatant and glaringly obvious facts indicating otherwise? Surely it is far better to just state facts - Bullet wounds to the chest and temple, gun found nearby. Investigation ongoing.... Why would the spokesman have to make such a farcical comment as to suggest suicide?... its plainly idiotic and such commonplace now that we've become so used to the BiB pulling the wool over their own eyes in believing we (the public) may actually buy any of this, or they simply do not care whether we buy it at all... You have failed to grasp how the Thai police work. You have overlaid the fundamental principles of Western policing on a very Thai situation. The result is you are left confused. The Thai police use a different method for resolving cases. It is outcome-led. The most desirable outcome is first decided upon. The criteria for deciding this is related to the relative social status of the various stakeholders in the case. Then evidence which supports the 'most desirable outcome' is accentuated whilst evidence which doesn't is discarded or even altered or hidden. The goal of this style of policing is to preserve hierarchical power structures within society and to allow those with higher status greater protection. Once you have grasped all this, your confusion will be no more. You might also think about ways to boost your own social status within Thai society so you too can enjoy greater protection from prosecution or even others with social status who might do you harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Briggsy said: You have failed to grasp how the Thai police work. You have overlaid the fundamental principles of Western policing on a very Thai situation. The result is you are left confused. The Thai police use a different method for resolving cases. It is outcome-led. The most desirable outcome is first decided upon. The criteria for deciding this is related to the relative social status of the various stakeholders in the case. Then evidence which supports the 'most desirable outcome' is accentuated whilst evidence which doesn't is discarded or even altered or hidden. The goal of this style of policing is to preserve hierarchical power structures within society and to allow those with higher status greater protection. Once you have grasped all this, your confusion will be no more. You might also think about ways to boost your own social status within Thai society so you too can enjoy greater protection from prosecution or even others with social status who might do you harm. I understand your saying in a very clever way, they are a bunch of crooks protecting other crooks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Oziex1 said: I understand your saying in a very clever way, they are a bunch of crooks protecting other crooks! Thank you. Yes, mostly, but it could be the 'most desirable outcome' actually means arresting a 19-year-old drug addict who had burgled the house of a mid-ranking civil servant. So, they are not always protecting crooks, they protect those who have social status (political power/wealth/connection to government/senior rank, etc.) In my example above, they actually do their job (by chance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I see that he was the "Finance Clerk" for the police station. Could this be the Thai Police equivalent of the glass of whisky and loaded revolver left on the mess table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CantSpell Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Police handbook 101.. Up to 3 bullets = suicide. 4 bullets and over: do not dismiss suicide.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) huh ? shoot yourself in the chest and then in the temple ?! whomever could believe that ? Edited October 12, 2017 by YetAnother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, YetAnother said: huh ? shoot yourself in the chest and then in the temple ?! whomever could believe that ? That's not it. He shot himself in the chest, then in the temple. And then he threw his gun away. Sounds no worse than most sick buffalo stories to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan B Tong Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 hours ago, bkksteve123 said: This part I find a bit odd. But I guess it's possible he first shot himself in the chest and realized this is going to be too slow, and then the right temple to finish it off. Perhaps the other way around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebuzz Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Briggsy said: You have failed to grasp how the Thai police work. You have overlaid the fundamental principles of Western policing on a very Thai situation. The result is you are left confused. The Thai police use a different method for resolving cases. It is outcome-led. The most desirable outcome is first decided upon. The criteria for deciding this is related to the relative social status of the various stakeholders in the case. Then evidence which supports the 'most desirable outcome' is accentuated whilst evidence which doesn't is discarded or even altered or hidden. The goal of this style of policing is to preserve hierarchical power structures within society and to allow those with higher status greater protection. Once you have grasped all this, your confusion will be no more. You might also think about ways to boost your own social status within Thai society so you too can enjoy greater protection from prosecution or even others with social status who might do you harm. Or you could realize that you're just another target and buy a plane ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 3 hours ago, webfact said: A few minutes later a gunshot was heard and Chusak asked a subordinate to check at the toilet. brave Sir Robin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
over it Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said: I know people always start criticizing arm chair detectives, arm chair CSI or whatever the latest 'buzz phrase' is posted by a handful of smart-asses who fail to understand that this forum is one for discussion.... but, regardless, here is my take... How on earth is the primary conclusion as to the case of death of someone with such injures suicide ? Is this pure and absolute laziness ? Is it a purse and total absence of 'give a flook' ? Is it instructions from above to play down an incident regardless of the blatant and glaringly obvious facts indicating otherwise? Surely it is far better to just state facts - Bullet wounds to the chest and temple, gun found nearby. Investigation ongoing.... Why would the spokesman have to make such a farcical comment as to suggest suicide?... its plainly idiotic and such commonplace now that we've become so used to the BiB pulling the wool over their own eyes in believing we (the public) may actually buy any of this, or they simply do not care whether we buy it at all... I don't think many people want to articulate a book-sized response to a never-ending problem. Much easier, and funnier to be a smart ass. The message is the same. They don't care if we buy it, as long as the money keeps flowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psimbo Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 The chest is a large area, the heart is a small organ within it. If he did indeed pull the trigger himself and cocked up the first round or faltered at the last second its perfectly logical that he fired a second shot. A lot depends on the calibre of the weapon used as well. The fact he was involved with station finances has alarm bells bigger than Big Ben on a Big day ringing though. Sorry to spoil the tinfoil hat brigade's day- mind you we're only on page 2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Joebuzz said: Or you could realize that you're just another target and buy a plane ticket. Indeed. Very astute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgarbo Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 5 hours ago, TVGerry said: I find it truly amazing the police here always jump to conclusions as to why a suicide or murder happens without even bothering to investigate first. Police "suspect", ie first opinion. No conclusion. Read again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgarbo Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Briggsy said: You have failed to grasp how the Thai police work. You have overlaid the fundamental principles of Western policing on a very Thai situation. The result is you are left confused. The Thai police use a different method for resolving cases. It is outcome-led. The most desirable outcome is first decided upon. The criteria for deciding this is related to the relative social status of the various stakeholders in the case. Then evidence which supports the 'most desirable outcome' is accentuated whilst evidence which doesn't is discarded or even altered or hidden. The goal of this style of policing is to preserve hierarchical power structures within society and to allow those with higher status greater protection. Once you have grasped all this, your confusion will be no more. You might also think about ways to boost your own social status within Thai society so you too can enjoy greater protection from prosecution or even others with social status who might do you harm. Nice try but crap. Hierarchical integrity? Higher Status get protection? Read again the year's headlines. Generals jailed. Royal decorations stripped. Corrupt politicians jailed. Come back in a few years and try again. Your confusion will fade like morning mist, etc. Edited October 12, 2017 by jgarbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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