Hallucinating biker dies in truck crash

[webfact]

Hallucinating biker dies in truck crash

By The Nation

 

A 19-year-old man died when he crashed his motorcycle into a 10-wheel truck in Bung Kan’s Bung Khong Lhong district on Sunday morning, police said.

 

The man was reportedly having a drug-induced hallucination at the time, and was attempting to flee from his mother as she tried to take him to hospital.

 

Responding to an 8.20am report about a fatal crash in Tambon Pho Mak Khaeng, Bung Khlong Lhong superintendant Pol Colonel Thaprawit Inthachai led officials to inspect the scene – a parking area in front of the Chairit Construction Shop.

 

They found the body of Prachan Thaoputtha, who had suffered serious head injuries, near his Honda motorcycle that had hit a parked 10-wheel truck. 

 

Prachan’s mother Jampee Khamsopa, 48, told police that her son had been taking yaba, a combination of methamphetamine and caffeine, and he often had hallucinations, which led to paranoia and insomnia.

 

She was about to take him to Bung Khong Lhong Hospital, but he sped away when she got off the pillion seat. It is believed that he thought he was being chased. He crashed into the truck that was parked two kilometres from the hospital.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30329323

 

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[Thaiwrath]

2 minutes ago, webfact said:

 

Prachan’s mother Jampee Khamsopa, 48, told police that her son had been taking yaba

Probably still be alive, if he had left that shit alone ?

[Ulysses G.]

It doesn't make one hallucinate unless they have gone days without sleep. The lack of sleep is what causes the hallucinations.

[Get Real]

1 hour ago, Ulysses G. said:

It doesn't make one hallucinate unless they have gone days without sleep. The lack of sleep is what causes the hallucinations.

You don´t get hallucinations after lack of sleep either. The intake of Yaba is what causes the hallucintations in combination with lack of sleep.

Se how we could turn it around and even make it realistic in comparision to your illegal drug defense BS.

[Scott]

Paranoia is a sort of hallucinatory state, unless, of course, they really are out to get you.

 

 

[Ulysses G.]

15 minutes ago, Get Real said:

You don´t get hallucinations after lack of sleep either.

Wrong.

 

"If sleep deprivation continues long enough, you could start having hallucinations—seeing or hearing things that aren’t there."

 

https://www.healthline.com/health/sleep-deprivation/effects-on-body

 

"There are many reasons that people get inadequate sleep and become sleep deprived, from the demands of work and even home life to sleep problems like insomnia. Depending on the degree of sleep deprivation—both how little we sleep and for how long we are sleep deprived—there can begin to be important consequences to our health and well-being.

Total sleep deprivation, in which no sleep is obtained for several nights in a row, certainly can be a trigger. Chronically obtaining too few hours of rest may likewise have a cumulative role. The degree of sleep deprivation required to start to experience side effects likely varies for each person depending on their individual sleep needs and genetic predisposition towards hallucinations. If someone needs 10 hours of sleep to feel rested, but only gets 8 hours, they will gradually become sleep deprived even though they may seem to be getting enough sleep based on the population average."

 

https://www.verywell.com/can-sleep-deprivation-cause-hallucinations-3014669

Edited October 16, 2017 by Ulysses G.

[ezzra]

Don't know much about drug's hallucinations, but right now couple of people

with their fingers on nuclear devices are seriously hallucinating and in

the grips of illusions of grandeur and ego trips, god save us from those

ones...

[Get Real]

15 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

Wrong.

 

"If sleep deprivation continues long enough, you could start having hallucinations—seeing or hearing things that aren’t there."

 

https://www.healthline.com/health/sleep-deprivation/effects-on-body

 

"There are many reasons that people get inadequate sleep and become sleep deprived, from the demands of work and even home life to sleep problems like insomnia. Depending on the degree of sleep deprivation—both how little we sleep and for how long we are sleep deprived—there can begin to be important consequences to our health and well-being.

Total sleep deprivation, in which no sleep is obtained for several nights in a row, certainly can be a trigger. Chronically obtaining too few hours of rest may likewise have a cumulative role. The degree of sleep deprivation required to start to experience side effects likely varies for each person depending on their individual sleep needs and genetic predisposition towards hallucinations. If someone needs 10 hours of sleep to feel rested, but only gets 8 hours, they will gradually become sleep deprived even though they may seem to be getting enough sleep based on the population average."

 

https://www.verywell.com/can-sleep-deprivation-cause-hallucinations-3014669

Useless BS in this case. You, as well as everybody else knows it was the combination that created the result. Some people just need to go lengths to promote the jusifying of that drugs is not the cause or the problem.

[Ulysses G.]

I presented evidence that you were wrong. All you are putting forth is an ill-informed opinion.

 

"To this day, I am not sure how many consecutive nights I spent awake, but it was at least four. Espresso helped me keep going. So did furiously paced, illogical scribbling in a fat blue pocket notebook. As the sleepless days passed, I experienced the increasingly severe psychological effects common with extended sleep deprivation: I hallucinated, rambled, and lost focus. Toward the end of the ordeal, in New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport, my body was giving out, too. While imposing a monologue on my biology teacher—who, I later learned, thought I was tripping on LSD—I blacked out and slumped mid-sentence. This happened more than once on my final day awake. Sleep specialists call these involuntary collapses “microsleeps.” It’s not hard to see why anybody—a high school chaperone, a parent, a doctor—might view a twitching, crumpling, babbling kid like me as some sort of nutcase. But what happened to me could happen to anyone who stays awake that long, voluntarily or otherwise."

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/how-sleep-deprivation-decays-the-mind-and-body/282395/

 

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, Get Real said:

You don´t get hallucinations after lack of sleep either. The intake of Yaba is what causes the hallucintations in combination with lack of sleep.

Se how we could turn it around and even make it realistic in comparision to your illegal drug defense BS.

Sounds like you're right, Get Real.

The Psychological Effects of Yaba Abuse

. . .Rehab centers have also reported many addicts experiencing hallucinations or feelings of bugs crawling underneath the skin. Due to energy rushes, a yaba abuser may suffer from insomnia and nightmares. As a result of the extreme highs and lows, depression and suicidal tendencies are common.

https://rehabthailand.com/yaba-addiction/

 

[robblok]

4 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

It doesn't make one hallucinate unless they have gone days without sleep. The lack of sleep is what causes the hallucinations.

Your right its does not give hallucinations in general.. it just gives energy and a high.. but your mind stays (relatively) clear. 

[robblok]

10 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Sounds like you're right, Get Real.

The Psychological Effects of Yaba Abuse

. . .Rehab centers have also reported many addicts experiencing hallucinations or feelings of bugs crawling underneath the skin. Due to energy rushes, a yaba abuser may suffer from insomnia and nightmares. As a result of the extreme highs and lows, depression and suicidal tendencies are common.

https://rehabthailand.com/yaba-addiction/

 

Not saying that Yaba is harmless.. but have you seen the amounts of Yaba going into Thailand.. that means loads of users.. if hallucinations were a normal part of Yaba you would see far more problems with it. In general it does not cause hallucinations, it may in certain individuals in certain circumstances but id wager to say its a rare side effect.  (using Yabaa certainly is not good for the body but no need to act like its worse then it is. Those kind of stories only undermine real information about the dangers that some drugs can cause)

 

Most people posting about drugs have little knowledge of them and never used themselves.. they just lap up what the government tells them like reefer madness for instance.. now we know better. 

[Juan B Tong]

Probably don't know he's dead yet!

[MaxYakov]

Was he arrested for vehicular homicide (his)? I suspect that simply being on the road in Thailand can result in hallucinations (or actual events resembling them).

Edited October 16, 2017 by MaxYakov

[otherstuff1957]

I have had hallucinations from sleep deprivation and was aware at the time that they were not real.  I would say that his actions were a result of his drug abuse with the sleep deprivation.

[RichardColeman]

Darwinism at its best again.

[tandor]

5 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

I presented evidence that you were wrong. All you are putting forth is an ill-informed opinion.

 

"To this day, I am not sure how many consecutive nights I spent awake, but it was at least four. Espresso helped me keep going. So did furiously paced, illogical scribbling in a fat blue pocket notebook. As the sleepless days passed, I experienced the increasingly severe psychological effects common with extended sleep deprivation: I hallucinated, rambled, and lost focus. Toward the end of the ordeal, in New York’s John F. Kennedy Airport, my body was giving out, too. While imposing a monologue on my biology teacher—who, I later learned, thought I was tripping on LSD—I blacked out and slumped mid-sentence. This happened more than once on my final day awake. Sleep specialists call these involuntary collapses “microsleeps.” It’s not hard to see why anybody—a high school chaperone, a parent, a doctor—might view a twitching, crumpling, babbling kid like me as some sort of nutcase. But what happened to me could happen to anyone who stays awake that long, voluntarily or otherwise."

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/12/how-sleep-deprivation-decays-the-mind-and-body/282395/

 

...poor chap.

[marko kok prong]

I love sleep,often i sleep 12 hours,and maybe have the odd afternoon kip if it is hot. Why anyone would take this crap is beyond me,it is filth,just look at those photo's of the meth addicts in the states taken over a series of months,show how it wrecks your body,and in this case is a factor in this guys death.

[SpicyMeatball]

Gawd Almighty, you armchair critics are experts at everything aren't you. Always have your two cents worth to add. Can't leave it well enough alone. 

Do any of you have experience ingesting yaba to make these assumptions whether the fool was hallucinating because of the drug or sleep deprivation?

You critics need to get a life outside of TV!!

[transam]

4 minutes ago, SpicyMeatball said:

Gawd Almighty, you armchair critics are experts at everything aren't you. Always have your two cents worth to add. Can't leave it well enough alone. 

Do any of you have experience ingesting yaba to make these assumptions whether the fool was hallucinating because of the drug or sleep deprivation?

You critics need to get a life outside of TV!!

You ride a bike with the yaba stuff then....?

[Ron19]

An abusive post and replies have been removed.

[SpicyMeatball]

39 minutes ago, transam said:

You ride a bike with the yaba stuff then....?

You bet I do Sherlock! Brilliant of you to ascertain that from absolutely nothing!

[transam]

2 minutes ago, SpicyMeatball said:

You bet I do Sherlock! Brilliant of you to ascertain that from absolutely nothing!

Cool eh....

[248900_1469958220]

If you take yaba for days in a row and get no sleep YOU WILL BEGIN TO HALLUCINATE. Your body/ mind has been deprived of its REM dream time and you will start to dream while awake.....that is the definition of a hallucination. Its common knowledge I thought. I was wrong. 

 

So, no its not the yaba that is causing the hallucinations. Its the result of lack of sleep. 

Edited October 16, 2017 by 248900_1469958220

[Jonah Tenner]

7 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Sounds like you're right, Get Real.

The Psychological Effects of Yaba Abuse

. . .Rehab centers have also reported many addicts experiencing hallucinations or feelings of bugs crawling underneath the skin. Due to energy rushes, a yaba abuser may suffer from insomnia and nightmares. As a result of the extreme highs and lows, depression and suicidal tendencies are common.

https://rehabthailand.com/yaba-addiction/

 

Sounds like Delerium Tremens

[Jonah Tenner]

7 hours ago, robblok said:

Not saying that Yaba is harmless.. but have you seen the amounts of Yaba going into Thailand.. that means loads of users.. if hallucinations were a normal part of Yaba you would see far more problems with it. In general it does not cause hallucinations, it may in certain individuals in certain circumstances but id wager to say its a rare side effect.  (using Yabaa certainly is not good for the body but no need to act like its worse then it is. Those kind of stories only undermine real information about the dangers that some drugs can cause)

 

Most people posting about drugs have little knowledge of them and never used themselves.. they just lap up what the government tells them like reefer madness for instance.. now we know better. 

To me it seems that he may have been suffering from withdrawal.

And as for reefer madness, I have had too many friends turn psychotic after smoking reefers for too many years. They have usually ended up as suicides.

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, Jonah Tenner said:

To me it seems that he may have been suffering from withdrawal.

And as for reefer madness, I have had too many friends turn psychotic after smoking reefers for too many years. They have usually ended up as suicides.

Strange that we dont see the phenomenon of this in The Netherlands were we have a lot of users. It happens but rarely and only in those with underlying problems. 

[Krataiboy]

7 hours ago, robblok said:

Not saying that Yaba is harmless.. but have you seen the amounts of Yaba going into Thailand.. that means loads of users.. if hallucinations were a normal part of Yaba you would see far more problems with it. In general it does not cause hallucinations, it may in certain individuals in certain circumstances but id wager to say its a rare side effect.  (using Yabaa certainly is not good for the body but no need to act like its worse then it is. Those kind of stories only undermine real information about the dangers that some drugs can cause)

 

Most people posting about drugs have little knowledge of them and never used themselves.. they just lap up what the government tells them like reefer madness for instance.. now we know better. 

Sorry, but your contention that, in general ya ba does not cause hallucinations appears to be unsupported by any credible evidence. There's is plenty to show that hallucinations are a common bi-product of chronic usage - which, of course, has other devastating and undesirable effects, as I know all too well from personal experience.

According to the US-based Center for Substance Abuse Research, the effects of chronic abuse include:
• Tremors
• Hypertension
• Hallucinations
• Psychotic episodes
• Paranoid delusions
• Violent behavior
• Hyperthermia and convulsions
• Agitation, anxiety, and nervousness
• Mental confusion and memory loss
• Psychosis similar to schizophrenia (characterized by paranoia, picking at the skin, self absorption, and visual and auditory hallucinations).

Looking at this little lot, I can't help feeling your comment "Not saying that ya ba is harmless" is, to say the least, a little disingenuous.

 

[Jonah Tenner]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Strange that we dont see the phenomenon of this in The Netherlands were we have a lot of users. It happens but rarely and only in those with underlying problems. 

I think it depends on several coinciding circumstances, such as heavy use, heavy enough to preclude other activity, preceding an attempt to quit, then staying clean for some time, generally more than a few months. Psychosis then comes along after withdrawal is over.

I do not think you see that kind of heavy use of weed in The Netherlands because it is more available, and you do not have the scandinavian attitude to drugs. (Use it all before it goes bad.)

I will not claim that my experiences are generally valid all over the world, but it is more my empirical experiences..

[Jonah Tenner]

1 minute ago, Krataiboy said:

Sorry, but your contention that, in general ya ba does not cause hallucinations appears to be unsupported by any credible evidence. There's is plenty to show that hallucinations are a common bi-product of chronic usage - which, of course, has other devastating and undesirable effects, as I know all too well from personal experience.

According to the US-based Center for Substance Abuse Research, the effects of chronic abuse include:
• Tremors
• Hypertension
• Hallucinations
• Psychotic episodes
• Paranoid delusions
• Violent behavior
• Hyperthermia and convulsions
• Agitation, anxiety, and nervousness
• Mental confusion and memory loss
• Psychosis similar to schizophrenia (characterized by paranoia, picking at the skin, self absorption, and visual and auditory hallucinations).

Looking at this little lot, I can't help feeling your comment "Not saying that ya ba is harmless" is, to say the least, a little disingenuous.

 

This list is recognizable for anyone who has been in an environment of heavy drug use.