EU wants Brexit money this month, Davis seeks 'political' fix

[Khun Han]

28 minutes ago, dundee48 said:

2 hours ago, naboo said:

It was renamed Little Britain about 13 years ago, but 52% of the population didn't cotton on.

Hahaha,a new remoaner tag team,probably from one of the many begging bowl countries.

 

Who cares where he's from? Every country has it's bitter and twisted.

[peterrabbit]

The EU is incapable of agreeing fair terms as they are a bunch of career socialist bureaucrats who only know how to spend other peoples money. The wealth producing northern countries (ie Germany) have been laughing all the way to the bank as the basket case southern mediterranean countries have kept the Euro low and keep the northern economies competitive due to the low Euro.  It will all change when they have to start subsidising the basket cases because if they don't they they go bust.

I don't see a realistic alternative to a hard Brexit because the EU bureaucrats wont accept that they will have to subsidise southern Europe and no UK government is going to saddle the next generation of UK citizens with huge amounts of debt.

Total Impasse! 

[tomacht8]

60 billion are a bargain.

Instead of negotiating this with a 6-year transitional period and allowing a good brexit for both sides, including a tailor-made trade agreement and allowing the companys planning horizons, the uk tries to achieve a hard brexit with the crowbar, which does not benefit anyone. The negotiations are currently characterized by an incredibly stupid short-term planning horizon.

[aright]

6 hours ago, dunroaming said:

And you can't have both sides winning can you?  But you can have both sides losing and that is what we are heading for.

Both sides winning is the name of the game.

In any Negotiation you will find the best outcome is for both parties to walk away from the table satisfied. In my experience with Trade Union negotiations if one party is very unhappy you are likely headed for a strike Successful negotiations are dependent on the value of the total package. You are never going to get everything you want. A bit like selecting the perfect Political Party manifesto really.

Edited November 11, 2017 by aright

[dundee48]

2 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

Who cares where he's from? Every country has it's bitter and twisted.

That's true,but I find it hilarious that all the "I am impartial but",i am not from the UK but" "the EU doesn`t want or need you but".Every Tom ,Dick and failed Euro country having a cheap dig at the UK but afraid to state which country they come from.

Hahahahaha.

Just for once I would like to see a post that says " I am from Greece,Italy,Spain,Portugal,Poland, Romania,Bulgaria,Latvia,Lithuania,Estonia but the UK is shit"and give reasons but of course they are  too scared to say that.

[Khun Han]

21 minutes ago, dundee48 said:

That's true,but I find it hilarious that all the "I am impartial but",i am not from the UK but" "the EU doesn`t want or need you but".Every Tom ,Dick and failed Euro country having a cheap dig at the UK but afraid to state which country they come from.

Hahahahaha.

Just for once I would like to see a post that says " I am from Greece,Italy,Spain,Portugal,Poland, Romania,Bulgaria,Latvia,Lithuania,Estonia but the UK is shit"and give reasons but of course they are  too scared to say that.

 

I wish I could give that post more than one 'like'.

[jacko45k]

18 hours ago, whatsupdoc said:

No pensions, no commitments that were already made?

No refunds of commitments paid or of property paid for?

 

EG assets like EU buildings and the contributions such as those to the European Investment Fund. 

Edited November 11, 2017 by jacko45k

[MaeJoMTB]

15 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

They should owe us money for saving them from the evil germans, who should also get a bill for all the broken windows !

Germany can take it out of the money they still owe us from WW2.

[overherebc]

11 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I think this is a good analogy - imagine going to a restaurant with your friends and agreeing to order a big spread of food for you all to share. After you have had the starter, you then decide to leave, but want to pay only for the starter that you have eaten. Your friends, on the other hand, point out that the mains were ordered collectively, on the assumption that you would all eat them. It is only reasonable, is it not, that you pay for the food you ordered even if you subsequently decide that you don't want to eat it?

I see your analogy but agreeing to pre-pay part of future meals that you won't taking part in doesn't seem right.

[overherebc]

5 hours ago, dundee48 said:

That's true,but I find it hilarious that all the "I am impartial but",i am not from the UK but" "the EU doesn`t want or need you but".Every Tom ,Dick and failed Euro country having a cheap dig at the UK but afraid to state which country they come from.

Hahahahaha.

Just for once I would like to see a post that says " I am from Greece,Italy,Spain,Portugal,Poland, Romania,Bulgaria,Latvia,Lithuania,Estonia but the UK is shit"and give reasons but of course they are  too scared to say that.

I'm from Britain but as Peter Sellers once said,

It may be rubbish, but, by jingo it's British rubbish.

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[taipeir]

The EU is incapable of agreeing fair terms as they are a bunch of career socialist bureaucrats who only know how to spend other peoples money. The wealth producing northern countries (ie Germany) have been laughing all the way to the bank as the basket case southern mediterranean countries have kept the Euro low and keep the northern economies competitive due to the low Euro.  It will all change when they have to start subsidising the basket cases because if they don't they they go bust.
I don't see a realistic alternative to a hard Brexit because the EU bureaucrats wont accept that they will have to subsidise southern Europe and no UK government is going to saddle the next generation of UK citizens with huge amounts of debt.
Total Impasse! 

Pay up your dues lol!

Loads of bleeting and whining about fairness never thought the old empire folks would be reduced to this.


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[taipeir]

 
I wish I could give that post more than one 'like'.

You two should get a room and and bring some massage oil lol.

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[puck2]

11 hours ago, Dagnabbit said:

 

Which pensions of EU citizens do we need to pay?

 

Our own ex-politicians (like Kinnock) - will no longer be a burden on Europe. So we don't have to pay his pension. 

 

What about the UKs share of the assets the EU owns? Do you know the value of those?

 

Perhaps you could outline the specific payments you think should be made. After all, my own 'bugger all' was presented itemized and in full. Yours lacks detail to the point of being less than vague.

 

The people living in the UK will will recognise value of the EU„assets“ after Brexit. The EU wasn't a one-way street in the market and money area.

 

It seems you and your Brexit friends don't know or realize the positive aspects of the EU membership. „Maybe“ it was worthwhile for GB to pay for the membership. The Brits already have got their money back in many different systems, among them free trade.

 

Now I ask you: „do you know the value of this?“ Let's talk talk about this a few years after Brexit.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2017 by puck2

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, puck2 said:

 

The people living in the UK will will recognise value of the EU„assets“ after Brexit. The EU wasn't a one-way street in the market and money area.

 

It seems you and your Brexit friends don't know or realize the positive aspects of the EU membership. „Maybe“ it was worthwhile for GB to pay for the membership. The Brits already have got their money back in many different systems, among them free trade.

 

Now I ask you: „do you know the value of this?“ Let's talk talk about this a few years after Brexit.

 

 

"It seems you and your Brexit friends don't know or realize the positive aspects of the EU membership."

 

And it would seem you and remainer friends don't know the negative aspects of the EU membership.

[JAG]

"It seems you and your Brexit friends don't know or realize the positive aspects of the EU membership."
 
And it would seem you and remainer friends don't know the negative aspects of the EU membership.

Leave the noble Kinnocks out of it - good socialists both of them.

How does the mantra go?
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

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[dick dasterdly]

5 hours ago, taipeir said:

Pay up your dues lol!

Loads of bleeting and whining about fairness never thought the old empire folks would be reduced to this.


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Unfortunately, how much money the UK will pay the EU to leave seems to be one of the main 'stumbling blocks'.

 

Has anyone seen any financial breakdown of money owed/off-setting share of assets from either side??

 

I haven't  - and neither side seems keen on justifying/quantifying the amount payable for some reason.  It's all just numbers plucked out of thin air .

[Khun Han]

3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Unfortunately, how much money the UK will pay the EU to leave seems to be one of the main 'stumbling blocks'.

 

Has anyone seen any financial breakdown of money owed/off-setting share of assets from either side??

 

I haven't  - and neither side seems keen on justifying/quantifying the amount payable for some reason.  It's all just numbers plucked out of thin air .

 

The only mention I've seen pertaining to this is that government officials are going through the disputed areas item by item. But, again, no specifics.

[Khun Han]

5 hours ago, puck2 said:

 

The people living in the UK will will recognise value of the EU„assets“ after Brexit. The EU wasn't a one-way street in the market and money area.

 

It seems you and your Brexit friends don't know or realize the positive aspects of the EU membership. „Maybe“ it was worthwhile for GB to pay for the membership. The Brits already have got their money back in many different systems, among them free trade.

 

Now I ask you: „do you know the value of this?“ Let's talk talk about this a few years after Brexit.

 

 

 

No, let's talk about it now. Free trade, eh? Would that be the free trade that has seen the rest of the EU get far more of it's 'money back' () than the UK?

 

Would the benefit be all the red tape that has created a pretty superfluous and quite huge H & S industry whilst stifling real industry?

 

Could the benefit be from all the eastern European gypsies and their extended families who have enhanced our town centre culture (and our benefits system)? Or maybe the Polish plumbers and joiners, the Portugese and Spanish dentists and pharmacists who have made such a sterling contribution to equal low pay? Ahh!!! That's the benefit! A handful of our population got/are getting rich quick through freedom of movement at the expense of the natives.

[rockingrobin]

52 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Unfortunately, how much money the UK will pay the EU to leave seems to be one of the main 'stumbling blocks'.

 

Has anyone seen any financial breakdown of money owed/off-setting share of assets from either side??

 

I haven't  - and neither side seems keen on justifying/quantifying the amount payable for some reason.  It's all just numbers plucked out of thin air .

Although no financial breakdown is public, the following article concerning savings acrruing from leaving, goes on to discuss the exit bill 

 

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86016

Edited November 12, 2017 by rockingrobin

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Unfortunately, how much money the UK will pay the EU to leave seems to be one of the main 'stumbling blocks'.

 

Has anyone seen any financial breakdown of money owed/off-setting share of assets from either side??

 

I haven't  - and neither side seems keen on justifying/quantifying the amount payable for some reason.  It's all just numbers plucked out of thin air .

 

10 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

Although no financial breakdown is public, the following article concerning savings acrruing from leaving, goes on to discuss the exit bill 

 

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86016

But without any accountable numbers.

 

It shouldn't be this hard for both the EU and the UK to come up with their version of a justifiable figure - and yet for some reason it is - as neither side is prepared to do so.....

[dundee48]

7 hours ago, taipeir said:

You two should get a room and and bring some massage oil lol.

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Hahaha,if you can`t beat them insult them.

Eagerly awaiting your next "Gaurdian" quote.

[JohnC]

What about the money the UK has invested in the European Bank? Said to run into billions and can't be replayed in full until 2052? 

[rockingrobin]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

 

But without any accountable numbers.

 

It shouldn't be this hard for both the EU and the UK to come up with their version of a justifiable figure - and yet for some reason it is - as neither side is prepared to do so.....

It will depend upon what the UK will want to continue with, such as the Horizon projects, 

[dick dasterdly]

16 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

It will depend upon what the UK will want to continue with, such as the Horizon projects, 

And, of course, the eventual trade agreement - which is why the EU insisting that 'money' is sorted before trade agreements can begin is ridiculous. 

 

Even so, I still want to see justifiable 'accounts' as to any money owed (assets/liabilities) by both sides.

[rockingrobin]

13 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

And, of course, the eventual trade agreement - which is why the EU insisting that 'money' is sorted before trade agreements can begin is ridiculous. 

 

Even so, I still want to see justifiable 'accounts' as to any money owed (assets/liabilities) by both sides.

The financial commitments are there for the UK team to see, after all the UK did committ to them.

Art 50 is not about trade deals, these follow after the Art 50 process. It concerns the withdrawal of the UK taking any future framework  into account.

Establishing the UK's commitments determines the next stage.

The toxicity of the referendum campaign and such speeches announcing the ending of sending monies to the EU meant that precious time was wasted arguing the toss of whether we need to pay a so called brexit bill instead of concentrating the real issues of solving the NI border issue

[taipeir]

Unfortunately, how much money the UK will pay the EU to leave seems to be one of the main 'stumbling blocks'.  

Has anyone seen any financial breakdown of money owed/off-setting share of assets from either side??

 

I haven't  - and neither side seems keen on justifying/quantifying the amount payable for some reason.  It's all just numbers plucked out of thin air .

 

The EU is waiting on proposal of formula for calculation and ballpark figure from Davis.He's got two weeks to get it done.

 

There can't one fixed numbers because they will use a formula that has to adjust the bill over time, taking in currency change or other future actuarial adjustments.

 

Better put his skates on and stop waffling!

 

 

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[taipeir]

The financial commitments are there for the UK team to see, after all the UK did committ to them. Art 50 is not about trade deals, these follow after the Art 50 process. It concerns the withdrawal of the UK taking any future framework  into account. Establishing the UK's commitments determines the next stage. The toxicity of the referendum campaign and such speeches announcing the ending of sending monies to the EU meant that precious time was wasted arguing the toss of whether we need to pay a so called brexit bill instead of concentrating the real issues of solving the NI border issue

 

 

 

Correct. The Irish border issue is going to result in a veto on deal unless the magical thinking of David & Co is not dealt with pronto. 

As I mentioned lots of times on here, you are not ultimately dealing with a so called 'dictator' or EU bureaucrats but with 27 states and their elected heads of government. Any one state can veto a deal.

 

Those heads of state are answerable to THEIR people just like the government in the UK.

 

They will veto any deal if not satisfactory.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-10/brexit-dilemma-hurtles-toward-ireland-to-veto-or-not-to-veto

 

This is a bigger problem than a few billion a year bill.

 

That news is just beginning to percolate out in the British press.

 

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[taipeir]

 

No, let's talk about it now. Free trade, eh? Would that be the free trade that has seen the rest of the EU get far more of it's 'money back' ([emoji23]) than the UK?

 

Would the benefit be all the red tape that has created a pretty superfluous and quite huge H & S industry whilst stifling real industry?

 

Could the benefit be from all the eastern European gypsies and their extended families who have enhanced our town centre culture (and our benefits system)? Or maybe the Polish plumbers and joiners, the Portugese and Spanish dentists and pharmacists who have made such a sterling contribution to equal low pay? Ahh!!! That's the benefit! A handful of our population got/are getting rich quick through freedom of movement at the expense of the natives.

You seem to think British plumbers and dentists and pharmacists don't make a good living.

 

I highly doubt that given the demand in those professions.

 

This plumber works hard and makes 89,000 GBP per year.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/751087/what-happened-when-pimlico-plumbers-leaked-everyones-salary/

 

So enough with the poor plumbers and pharmacists and dentists. Nobody buys it.

 

 

And what pray will customers or patients be paying and how long will it take to receive service if they try to restrict the numbers of professionals or trades people in those areas?

 

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[overherebc]

11 hours ago, JAG said:

Leave the noble Kinnocks out of it - good socialists both of them.

How does the mantra go?
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs."

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I reckon the best description of people like kinnock ( small case intentional ) is a virtual communist who can without shame state ' I started with nothing and I'm happy to share it equally with what you have"

[jacko45k]

On 11/12/2017 at 3:22 AM, dundee48 said:

That's true,but I find it hilarious that all the "I am impartial but",i am not from the UK but" "the EU doesn`t want or need you but".Every Tom ,Dick and failed Euro country having a cheap dig at the UK but afraid to state which country they come from.

Hahahahaha.

Just for once I would like to see a post that says " I am from Greece,Italy,Spain,Portugal,Poland, Romania,Bulgaria,Latvia,Lithuania,Estonia but the UK is shit"and give reasons but of course they are  too scared to say that.

They might lose their jobs, or benefits in the UK!