Becker Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 38 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: More than likely a farang police volunteer. Thats not unheard of, to have them pose as customers etc. I can totally see some of the police volunteer storm troopers ratting out fellow farangs and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, khunpa said: Because the informer is in trouble himself and now the Swedish guy can rat someone else out :-) A story like this is a good example of why I would never do business here and why I never hang out with other Farangs here. The informer, as mentioned above, was probably a police volunteer. They are used like this on a regular basis. The law is pretty clear. You can't work here without a permit. Do so at your own risk. Not sure why you guys are so upset. He can get a work permit and then he's legal. Also, they are cracking down on stuff being sold via social media. They've caught people selling guns, drugs, endangered species, girls, etc. This guy might have gotten caught by those looking for offenders like this. And he is an offender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandtee Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Farang police informer! Another cunning stunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regyai Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) I think the golden rule is dont conduct questionable business with farangs...the incidence of lowlife grasses is just far too high Edited November 17, 2017 by Regyai Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 To me, this seems like good warning to those people that work online, play poker online, write travel blogs for months on end on line. The Thai laws about working in Thailand can be interpreted by the Thai authorities in ways you may not like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 57 minutes ago, Time Traveller said: If you are doing it for a profit, then yes. If you're just clearing out unwanted stuff from your garage, then no. They are probably working on that and bust you for selling 4 family members bicycles over an expat forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 38 minutes ago, stanleycoin said: One of our own, doing this sort of thing to the guy. shameful. how low can you go. there is real nasty crime in this town and on the roads. but you help the Bib do this. I wish you a bucketful, of Bad karma, who ever you were. Without any background on the guy, it's hard to pass that kind of judgment. Could just be a guy selling tobacco. (In which case, I'd agree with you) Or he could be under suspicion of any number of other things, and a WP violation was the easiest way to get him off the streets. If I see one of my foreign neighbors selling tobacco, I won't bat an eyelash. If I suspect one of fiddling with the local kids, I'll grass him up on whatever the BIB ask me to... The WP violation is a lot easier and more certain than a he-said, she-said contest in court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkcanuck8 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 50 minutes ago, AlexRich said: Why would any foreigner get involved in an undercover sting operation to set-up a guy over a relatively minor offence? There are reportedly foreigners engaging in boiler room and property fraud in Thailand who are noted "pillars of the community" ... I wonder why they are never targeted? Shipping "sin" tax items across borders without proper shipping/customs manifests is not taken lightly.... and since they likely could not arrest him directly, they co-operated with Thai police to nab him. (my guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khunpa Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, craigt3365 said: The informer, as mentioned above, was probably a police volunteer. They are used like this on a regular basis. The law is pretty clear. You can't work here without a permit. Do so at your own risk. Not sure why you guys are so upset. He can get a work permit and then he's legal. Also, they are cracking down on stuff being sold via social media. They've caught people selling guns, drugs, endangered species, girls, etc. This guy might have gotten caught by those looking for offenders like this. And he is an offender. Yes, Thailand is a prime example, when it comes to justice and law-enforcement. And good they got this guy. Up next... the Red Bull guy! Edited November 17, 2017 by khunpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkcanuck8 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 He will likely be fined and then deported to face more serious offences in another country over smuggling through the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextStationBangkok Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I know there are lot of freelancers, selling Thai products on eBay. Is it a crime ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRich Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 15 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said: Shipping "sin" tax items across borders without proper shipping/customs manifests is not taken lightly.... and since they likely could not arrest him directly, they co-operated with Thai police to nab him. (my guess) Yet wide scale fraud were people are losing millions is taken lightly? Is it because some people are making money from it? I've no problem with the law being upheld as long as it is upheld and applied to every crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I bought many stuffs from China online store but do they need to have work permit to do trading with buyers in Thailand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SymS Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Interested in what will happen to him now? Fine? Jail time? Deportation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naamblar2014 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, spermwhale said: Even stranger... why would a foreigner target this guy and go to the police to set up a sting with them? Thai love Thai Foreigners don't love foreigners Thais have that going for them. Foreign snitches should be ashamed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancbk Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, RichardColeman said: Oh well, there goes that cunning plan to get round the tabacco fag ban on the beaches ! You can use chewing tobacco on the beach, just not sell it openly. Although if you do use it, please spit in a cup and not onto the sand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigt3365 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 18 minutes ago, NextStationBangkok said: I know there are lot of freelancers, selling Thai products on eBay. Is it a crime ? Yes. 9 minutes ago, Naamblar2014 said: Thai love Thai Foreigners don't love foreigners Thais have that going for them. Foreign snitches should be ashamed You don't know much about Thais. They snitch on each other all the time...especially when there's a bit of money involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 hours ago, dictater said: How in this instance is he denying a Thai person work/income or profit? I know that is not the regulations on which the work permit is given but it is the basis on which the labor law was created. There are multiple offences here but the cops have just gone with the easiest option. Chewing tobacco is banned in Thailand. The tobacco was smuggled. No income tax was being paid. No excise duty was being paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 51 minutes ago, gk10002000 said: To me, this seems like good warning to those people that work online, play poker online, write travel blogs for months on end on line. The Thai laws about working in Thailand can be interpreted by the Thai authorities in ways you may not like. I don't think it was the online component that got the guy in trouble, though it does apparently violate WP laws. I suspect the guy would have been fine if he hadn't actually delivered the goodies in Thailand (and in person, to boot). I struggle to see where travel blogging, online poker or shipping Thai made EBay goods overseas from Thailand would even ping the radar. While technically illegal, the odds of getting caught are minuscule, and may be worth the risk for someone who can't afford to stay in Thailand without funding it somehow. If they have to leave anyway due to no money, there's not much downside to making some YouTube money... Edited November 17, 2017 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansnl Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, spermwhale said: With so many serious criminals in this country -- murderers, kidnappers, people traffickers, hit and run drivers, serious embezzlers and thieves -- once again the useless Thai cops go for the low-hanging fruit. This country never changes. Well, that might be the easiest way to score, don't you think. But never mind, police forces all over the world like easy pickings. And of course arresting small fry, end users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectrumisgreen Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, spermwhale said: With so many serious criminals in this country -- murderers, kidnappers, people traffickers, hit and run drivers, serious embezzlers and thieves -- once again the useless Thai cops go for the low-hanging fruit. This country never changes. You seem to assume that all the above crims were bypassed to go just for this guy or suchlike.. Er, you know that how? Oh, I get it, the usual 'I just do, its just the way it is here!'.. again, er.. right.. so you're just another Negative Ninny, then, really? And, anyway, even if it were so, hardly something NOT thrown at law officers all around the world is it?.. You know, like "Shouldn't you be out catching serious criminals?', but, for the sake of not wanting to be a foreigner heard NOT whinging constantly about something, here, lets make Thailand a 'special case' again and again and again, ad nauseum, ad infinitum, yeah?... Edited November 17, 2017 by spectrumisgreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 17 minutes ago, Briggsy said: There are multiple offences here but the cops have just gone with the easiest option. Chewing tobacco is banned in Thailand. The tobacco was smuggled. No income tax was being paid. No excise duty was being paid. Here you can buy it, made in Thailand https://www.siamsnus.com/ http://svensktsnus.co.th/?i=en Cheaper than buying in Sweden and smuggle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, Briggsy said: There are multiple offences here but the cops have just gone with the easiest option. Chewing tobacco is banned in Thailand. The tobacco was smuggled. No income tax was being paid. No excise duty was being paid. Smokeless tobacco products such as snus may not be imported into Thailand. However, shredded tobacco is typically used for both hand-rolled cigarettes and smokeless tobacco products. Therefore, the health warnings for shredded tobacco and blended shredded tobacco are cited here. Picture and text warnings must occupy 55% of both PDAs (30% if the package is not rectangular) and be printed in four colors. There are four warnings prescribed and rotation must be at the rate of 500 packs/cartons per image. It should be noted, however, that the warnings pertain to “smoking” rather than chewing. https://www.tobaccocontrollaws.org/legislation/country/thailand/pl-health-warnings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 minute ago, PoorSucker said: Here you can buy it. https://www.siamsnus.com/ Cheaper than buying in Sweden and smuggle it. There was an announcement several years ago about it being banned. Dunno if they backtracked on that, looks like they did. These guys must be the connected, 50% cops beneficial ownership, the law doesn't apply, monopolistic sellers (just joking) (well 50%) (actually not sure if I'm joking or not) If you were showing me where I could buy some for myself, no thanks, I would rather suck on a pair of my sweaty socks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moti24 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 hours ago, dictater said: How in this instance is he denying a Thai person work/income or profit? I know that is not the regulations on which the work permit is given but it is the basis on which the labor law was created. You'd be surprised at some of the things you can't do without a work permit. I try not to think about it every time I sweep the soi outside the house. But, if I don't do it, I'll have to wait for gale-force winds. I really do despair sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymonddiaz Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 3 hours ago, bkkenglish said: I wonder if the foreign police informant had a Work Permit? I don't like rats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, Briggsy said: If you were showing me where I could buy some for myself, no thanks, I would rather suck on a pair of my sweaty socks. It helped me stop smoking 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcigAmateur Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 3 hours ago, bkkenglish said: I wonder if the foreign police informant had a Work Permit? Of course not ! But snitches all over the world finally get punished for being SB, just be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenny2017 Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, khunpa said: Because the informer is in trouble himself and now the Swedish guy can rat someone else out :-) A story like this is a good example of why I would never do business here and why I never hang out with other Farangs here. Another speculation that came to mind, because I do not understand the foreigner's action. Is it possible that they know each other and maybe run a business together? Or is it just the guy's wife, he'd like to have? Something doesn't add up here and smells damn fishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 minute ago, PoorSucker said: It helped me stop smoking 10 years ago. Were you then able to give up the chewing tobacco? I gave up smoking 12 years ago by getting very drunk and smoking over a packet in a night. (not recommended method) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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