Dash cams could be the 'sleeping policemen' that Thailand needs more than anything.

[Ossy]

Why don't the vehicle licencing and testing laws include the compulsory fitting and use of dash-cams in EVERY minivan, bus and truck, i.e. in all those vehicles where the likelihood of driver-sleep is a reality? That they were in correct use could be immediately verified, along with the familiar Police licence checks.

[Rhys]

... erasure is a problem..

 

[Ossy]

12 minutes ago, Rhys said:

... erasure is a problem..

 

Explain, please

[Ossy]

1 hour ago, Rhys said:

... erasure is a problem..

 

Or, how about UK style tachographs . . . anything that would guard against drivers driving excessive hours.

[Bob12345]

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Why don't the ...

Good idea, they are waiting till a Thai comes up with the same idea so they can deny the idea came from abroad.

 

But on a more serious note: a cam will only show what happened AFTER THE CRASH. Maybe they should look into things to avoid the crash in the first place.

 

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Or, how about UK style tachographs

Even in the west there was fraud with this at the start, so forget about introducing this in Thailand.

What stops them of tempering with the equipment in the truck/van, or not owning several discs to put in to make it seem like they just started driving a minute ago?

Without police doing anything you cannot expect them to follow the laws.

 

See how many taxi drivers are rigging their taxi meters to run a bit faster. Introducing this system here will provide jobs for a whole new group of fraudsters.

 

Bottom line is that the one cheating earns the most. Without decent penalties there is no reason not to cheat. 

[dotpoom]

Would certainly help in identifying the cause of an accident....but not actually prevent a driver from falling asleep.

[Ossy]

1 hour ago, Bob12345 said:

But on a more serious note: a cam will only show what happened AFTER THE CRASH. Maybe they should look into things to avoid the crash in the first place.

Great reply, Bob. Re your 'after the crash' comment; yes, you're right . . . looking at an accident aftermath wouldn't be much use for the folk that had just been beheaded. That's why I referred to the dash-cams as 'sleeping policemen'; my thinking being that those drivers who know they're approaching the dangerous 'eye-closing' period, will regard the dash-cam almost like their responsible guardian, and stop for a break. Yes, maybe I'm too much of an idealist, espec in this country where, as you say, there is so much expertise in cheating whatever systems are put in place.

[OJAS]

1 hour ago, dotpoom said:

Would certainly help in identifying the cause of an accident....but not actually prevent a driver from falling asleep.

And it would presumably only be possible to prove conclusively whether or not a particular accident had been caused by a driver falling asleep by having a second dashcam trained on him/her in addition to the one facing the direction of travel. Which drivers would realistically be prepared to risk incriminating themselves by having a second dashcam installed in this way?

Edited November 27, 2017 by OJAS

[thurien]

I would love to install a camera ONCE it is a model/gimmick without all these cables dangling in front of my face in the driver's cabin: any model where the tiny camera could e.g. be fixed outside, cable leads to the main camera device box somewhere inside( but cables out of my sight)?

[samsensam]

 

to start off with thailand needs existing laws enforced by a well led, professional, well trained and uncorrupted police force supported by a robust, impartial and uncorrupted judicial system, without this you can bring in all the speed cameras, dash cameras, tachographs, etc. you want but you might as well whistle in the wind for benefit they will deliver.

[sanmyintmaung]

Caterpillar is working on a dash cam that will monitor the driver's eye for the frequency of blinking, duration of blinks and the velocity of the eyelid. If drivers do close their eyes for longer than expected -- generally anything longer than 1.6 seconds -- an alarm goes off.

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/eye-tracking-mining-system

[Ossy]

7 minutes ago, OJAS said:

And it would presumably only be possible to prove conclusively whether or not a particular accident had been caused by a driver falling asleep by having a second dashcam trained on him/her in addition to the one facing the direction of travel. Which drivers would realistically be prepared to risk incriminating themselves by having a second dashcam installed in this way?

Fair comment but you have ignored my preceding post, emphasising that it's not my idea to use the cameras as post-accident apportioning of blame, when the cams, too, will probably have been mangled along with the wreckage. I see them looking both road-wards and on the driver, but as an extra and maybe life-saving passenger - the sleeping policeman - who is watching over the driver that may be tempted into driving to the next fuel-stop . . . I see them as never being involved in a sleep-related crash.

[Nemises]

14 minutes ago, thurien said:

I would love to install a camera ONCE it is a model/gimmick without all these cables dangling in front of my face in the driver's cabin: any model where the tiny camera could e.g. be fixed outside, cable leads to the main camera device box somewhere inside( but cables out of my sight)?

My camera is fitted behind the rear view mirror. All cables (& camera) are out of my sight. 

[Ossy]

7 minutes ago, sanmyintmaung said:

Caterpillar is working on a dash cam that will monitor the driver's eye for the frequency of blinking, duration of blinks and the velocity of the eyelid. If drivers do close their eyes for longer than expected -- generally anything longer than 1.6 seconds -- an alarm goes off.

 

A sleeping policeman, indeed, and just when I was on the point of speaking to the Minister of Transport . . . Jitapong or Pornpach or whoever it'll be, next month . . . cheers!

[nahkit]

27 minutes ago, thurien said:

I would love to install a camera ONCE it is a model/gimmick without all these cables dangling in front of my face in the driver's cabin: any model where the tiny camera could e.g. be fixed outside, cable leads to the main camera device box somewhere inside( but cables out of my sight)?

I don't understand why car manufacturers don't include them as standard equipment, incorporated into the entertainment system. If they can include reversing cameras as standard then it cant be that great a step to also have a forward facing camera, 

[Sydebolle]

These cameras, praise the Lord for them, is the last thing the authorities want. This would mean instant end to all those little payments; my camera paid off itself in less than a year as the boys in brown hate getting invited for a private viewing of what really happened.

Buy also a dummy and fit it in such a way that it "records" what happens at the drivers window and show your finger at it prior to "negotiations". In absolutely ALL cases Somchai walks away; they are camera-shy! 

[Chongalulu]

5 hours ago, Bob12345 said:

Good idea, they are waiting till a Thai comes up with the same idea so they can deny the idea came from abroad.

 

But on a more serious note: a cam will only show what happened AFTER THE CRASH. Maybe they should look into things to avoid the crash in the first place.

 

Even in the west there was fraud with this at the start, so forget about introducing this in Thailand.

What stops them of tempering with the equipment in the truck/van, or not owning several discs to put in to make it seem like they just started driving a minute ago?

Without police doing anything you cannot expect them to follow the laws.

 

See how many taxi drivers are rigging their taxi meters to run a bit faster. Introducing this system here will provide jobs for a whole new group of fraudsters.

 

Bottom line is that the one cheating earns the most. Without decent penalties there is no reason not to cheat. 

Wrong,they record the event and the preceding moments. They record in file segments of around 3 minutes ,so once the g force sensor detects a crash it automatically saves the file and if only just into that file the one before as well,and you can manually do it also by pressing the save button. It will not then be recorded over. My nextbase dash cam duo records front and rear aspects ,speed ,location and g forces on a continuous real time basis 

[Bob12345]

1 hour ago, nchuckle said:

Wrong, ...

I think you were quoting the wrong person.

[Bob12345]

3 hours ago, nahkit said:

I don't understand why car manufacturers don't include them as standard equipment, incorporated into the entertainment system. If they can include reversing cameras as standard then it cant be that great a step to also have a forward facing camera, 

Absolutely agree, and this is being introduced already (although slow).

 

The Isuzu MuX already has a dashcam installed in the rear view mirror (at least in the medium to higher end models) pointing forward and i suppose you can review the footage on the home entertainment system. For as far as I know this is the only one though as it was one of the things I was looking for when buying a new SUV (Toyota Fortuner and Ford Everest are much more expensive but do not have this pre-installed).

[Mitker]

Silly me thinking the country had enough 'sleeping policemen' already

[madusa]

Ha, ha, ha, getting things done, talking to minister to solve problems ha, ha, ha. Farangs living long enough in Thailand finally succumb to delirium.

Those who side step delirium manage to stay wide awake for a little longer finally said I had enough I am selling all my properties and getting out of here. Good move I would say, take your good woman & kid to better place.

Greed, Evil, Extreme selfishness, Ignorance, these are adjectives appropriate to describe a country in desolation.

Please this is not Thailand bashing, each individual see things differently, I could easily get 100 farangs who would agree with what I wrote or may be agree 70 percent that's a lot. There are about 10 millions farangs living or working in Thailand. (this 10 millions are not tourists- these are retired people living here or working here long term).

Edited November 27, 2017 by madusa
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[Ossy]

6 minutes ago, madusa said:

Ha, ha, ha, getting things done, talking to minister to solve problems ha, ha, ha. Farangs living long enough in Thailand finally succumb to delirium.

Those who side step delirium manage to stay wide awake for a little longer finally said I had enough I am selling all my properties and getting out of here. Good move I would say, take your good woman & kid to better place.

Greed, Evil, Extreme selfishness, Ignorance, these are adjectives appropriate to describe a country in desolation.

Please this is not Thailand bashing, each individual see things differently, I could easily get 100 farangs who would agree with what I wrote or may be agree 70 percent that's a lot. There are about 10 millions farangs living or working in Thailand.

Yes, we all know that things are a long way off perfect, a long way off what we'd like, maybe. That said, do you have a view on my 'sleeping policemen' argument that dash-cams and tachos might deter 'dodgy' drivers from driving that last mile too many?

[madusa]

1 minute ago, Ossy said:

Yes, we all know that things are a long way off perfect, a long way off what we'd like, maybe. That said, do you have a view on my 'sleeping policemen' argument that dash-cams and tachos might deter 'dodgy' drivers from driving that last mile too many?

Well, they provide proof which is really good but nothing will change the Thai drivers, the slaughter will go on, they don't care.(do they look like they care? -my personal opinion). A certain percentage of accidents will drop but in the long run things wouldn't change that much. Nothing much to look forward to folks!

[hlj]

If the police would get out and do their jobs like they do in every western country there would be less crime and deaths on the highways.

[Timbob]

I got a taxi from Phuket airport the other day and the driver was using a dash-cam. I don't think I've been in a taxi here before that used one.

 

Another first was when the taxi driver said "safety belt" and instructed me to buckle-up as soon as I got in. I always put my seat belt on if they have one, but to be told that was quite refreshing. He didn't drive like a lunatic either... not a first, but quite rare.

[cooked]

I remember a case in the UK when a driver from Bulgaria was relieved when the police stopped him, his boss had made him drive non stop (I assume he stopped driving on the ferry). Tachographs work in Farangland and there's no reason they shouldn't work here.

[impulse]

Just now, cooked said:

I remember a case in the UK when a driver from Bulgaria was relieved when the police stopped him, his boss had made him drive non stop (I assume he stopped driving on the ferry). Tachographs work in Farangland and there's no reason they shouldn't work here.

 

You just have to ask yourself who benefits by working drivers too many hours and giving them ridiculous schedules to reduce the cost of transporting goods and people around the country. 

 

I suspect there's a lot of overlap with the very people who would have to legislate mandatory dash cams and tachographs.

 

 

[ricktak]

All new 10 wheel trucks and tractor trailers are required by law to install GPS monitoring system that is connected to a government system that monitors vehicle speed and amount of time the driver spends behind the wheel, before starting off the driver will have to swipe a card into the GPS system where where all infarctions are recorded. If this monitoring system is actually policed, that is another question, all used trucks are supposed to have the GPS system installed by 2019.

[Ossy]

20 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You just have to ask yourself who benefits by working drivers too many hours and giving them ridiculous schedules to reduce the cost of transporting goods and people around the country. 

 

I suspect there's a lot of overlap with the very people who would have to legislate mandatory dash cams and tachographs.

 

 

In which case, we farangs set to work on 'sleeping policemen - phase 2 - enforcement'.

 

Step 1: Big truck, DCL let's say, police checked and Tacho showed excess hours.

Step 2: Truck taken off road and driver issued with bar-coded and numbered ticket and assisted, if necessary, in phoning home and for help, etc.

Step 3: Unless cops are all bent, I can't see how DHL could manipulate things to favour both company and/or driver.

 

But, then again, my innocent farang mind isn't used to 'working around' laws of inconvenience. Any less innocent law benders, out there, to tear a hole in my life-saving initiative?

[Ossy]

29 minutes ago, ricktak said:

All new 10 wheel trucks and tractor trailers are required by law to install GPS monitoring system that is connected to a government system that monitors vehicle speed and amount of time the driver spends behind the wheel, before starting off the driver will have to swipe a card into the GPS system where where all infarctions are recorded. If this monitoring system is actually policed, that is another question, all used trucks are supposed to have the GPS system installed by 2019.

Fantastic news, Ricktak and far better than either dash-cam or tacho. How about the govt. paying to have these GPS devices installed in ALL minivans, too . . . maybe a bit too much of a cost penalty for the van owners to do it themselves.